Religion = Evil [RIP Dr. George Tiller]

[Duke]

I disagree. Yes, religions, all of them, have deep moral foundations, but to suggest the root of morals come from religion is narrowminded.

Don't forget that we, as very intelligent and social animals, needed an intricate code of behaviour to function properly in increasingly bigger groups.

Birds in the same colony don't kill each other. One could call this "bird morals". Our set of morals may be much higher developed, but that doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't have perfectly evolved without religion's touch.

Does religion teach morals? Or did religion simply take the base set of morals and expand on that?

 

[Casey]

most of the people in the world are religious.

so....? that proves nothing other than that most of the people in the world accept things they are told without questioning them and live their lives blind. Read those quotes I posted and think about them, particularly this one:

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” ~ Richard Dawkins

This is what it boils down to. You want to be succesful and happy in this life, you do so by acquiring knowledge and understanding. I know by being an atheist that I understand the ways of the world more so than those who are content to believe some myths that are thousands of years old and completely irrelevant in the 21st century.

I'm responsible for my life. Me. Nobody else. Not any person on this planet and most definately not some "presence".

Religion prays on the weakness of people and their fears and insecurities. People are scared of death so they invent ridiculous notions like afterlifes and what not. Like I said before, churches and cathedrals were built so tall to intimidate people and make them question their worth in relation to larger objects.

but i suppose the great rockstar knows everything and the rest of us are just fucking idiots.

fuck off with your arrogance please. im about to get sick.

My occupation has jack-shit to do with this argument, so why did you bring it up? Is that your only defence? I suppose it has to be, because you can not provide me with a single piece of evidence that proves the existence of any god and neither can any religious person. I've never claimed to know everything. But one thing I certainly do know is that I will never try and pass off something I don't know as being "out of my realm of understanding" as a human being like so many religious fruits do.

Nothing is out of the realms of anyone's understanding and to believe that is to DENY YOURSELF and stay stuck at the bottom of the barrel of life.

You know what phrase I hate the most? When people attempt to justify something they can't explain (usually because they haven't bothered to do any research) by saying "Its all part of gods plan" or some fuckwit nonsense like that.

We all laugh at Scientology with their ridiculous attempts at bringing people into their little cult with their stories of the planet earth being created by some evil alien overlord called Xenu. Fact is, all religions are the same thing, just the stories are slightly older.

Religion = being content with being ignorant.

 

[Flipmo]

There's a difference between believing in Man-made religion and the religion of God.

If someone can't know the difference between em, that is their problem, but no one should be belittled for the way they've grown or the way they choose to lead their lives. Me, Bobby and many other 'believer' members of the board have never forced shit down anyone's throat. I don't see why someone should have the right to do so to us. By doing so, they're just as bad as the one's they've come to hate so much.

Someone should just refer to the first anti-religion thread, Chronic, me, Sebastian, Glockmatic and many others commented on.

 

[Bobby Sands]

so....? that proves nothing other than that most of the people in the world accept things they are told without questioning them and live their lives blind. Read those quotes I posted and think about them, particularly this one:



This is what it boils down to. You want to be succesful and happy in this life, you do so by acquiring knowledge and understanding. I know by being an atheist that I understand the ways of the world more so than those who are content to believe some myths that are thousands of years old and completely irrelevant in the 21st century.

I'm responsible for my life. Me. Nobody else. Not any person on this planet and most definately not some "presence".

Religion prays on the weakness of people and their fears and insecurities. People are scared of death so they invent ridiculous notions like afterlifes and what not. Like I said before, churches and cathedrals were built so tall to intimidate people and make them question their worth in relation to larger objects.




My occupation has jack-shit to do with this argument, so why did you bring it up? Is that your only defence? I suppose it has to be, because you can not provide me with a single piece of evidence that proves the existence of any god and neither can any religious person. I've never claimed to know everything. But one thing I certainly do know is that I will never try and pass off something I don't know as being "out of my realm of understanding" as a human being like so many religious fruits do.

Nothing is out of the realms of anyone's understanding and to believe that is to DENY YOURSELF and stay stuck at the bottom of the barrel of life.

You know what phrase I hate the most? When people attempt to justify something they can't explain (usually because they haven't bothered to do any research) by saying "Its all part of gods plan" or some fuckwit nonsense like that.

We all laugh at Scientology with their ridiculous attempts at bringing people into their little cult with their stories of the planet earth being created by some evil alien overlord called Xenu. Fact is, all religions are the same thing, just the stories are slightly older.

Religion = being content with being ignorant.

Give me 100% proof that there isnt a god then. go on.

In this thread you have labeled every religious person as evil and ignorant and then portray yourself to be the enlightened one who knows everything. Everyone else who has a different view is just a stupid ignorant idiot. You may be ignorant in alot of ways yourself, especially when you paint every religious person with the same brush.

 

[Bobby Sands]

There's a difference between believing in Man-made religion and the religion of God.

If someone can't know the difference between em, that is their problem, but no one should be belittled for the way they've grown or the way they choose to lead their lives. Me, Bobby and many other 'believer' members of the board have never forced shit down anyone's throat. I don't see why someone should have the right to do so to us. By doing so, they're just as bad as the one's they've come to hate so much.

Someone should just refer to the first anti-religion thread, Chronic, me, Sebastian, Glockmatic and many others commented on.

Exactly. i have no problem with other people's beliefs. i could care less. It us that constantly gets this shit about being ignorant. I swear to god these guys are worse than any religious preacher i have ever met in my life. Its like every 2 weeks we get a thread on this shit trying to convert us or something. im fed up of it. its like arguing with the wall as well.

The funniest thing is that Dawkin's literature is always quoted as if it is definitive truth. Is it any worse when people quote the bible as the truth.

 

[roaches]

so prince fandom isn't a religion, now?

^ trolling like urlacher, at the top of the pile.

 

[Jokerman]

Religion is like milk: It's bad for us and we don't need it. (Plus it's full of pus.)

 

[Glockmatic]

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.

-Steven Weinberg.

 

[Casey]

Give me 100% proof that there isnt a god then. go on.

Oh dear. Is that really what you've resorted to?

OK, I will.

You say there is a god. That means that you think a god exists.

The definition for exist:

to have life or animation; live.

so you are saying that a god lives.

The definition of live:

the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

does this god grow through metabolism or physical reproduction? i never heard of that in your precious bible. it does not. therefore it does not live, ergo, it does not exist.

there is tons and tons and tons of evidence to support the real story behind our current human state, ie the big bang theory and theory of evolution, whereas there is NO evidence to support there being a god. to give credence to something that has no evidence over something that has lots of evidence is just plain stupid.

your argument of "prove there isn't a god" is moronic. you may as well say 'prove unicorns don't exist'. or 'prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist'. Do you believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy? Well, do you?

No, you don't. Why don't you? Because you've never seen one, or seen any evidence that suggests they do. Somebody made them up. Just like somebody made up the idea of there being a god. Only, the reason why someone made up the idea of there being a god is because mankind wasn't yet advanced enough to understand certain things. people didn't understand how gravity worked back then, etc etc. Clearly, humankind was too egotistical to realize that they just didn't have the knowledge or any easy means of gaining that knowledge to learn how certain things worked, so they came up with the idea of a god.

I can flip your argument around and use it against you, that's what you don't understand.

I could sit here right now and say:

"The world was created by a massive magical purple teapot with slices of toast attached to it that serve as wings and enabled it to fly'

Then, obviously you would say "That's ridiculous. Prove the existence of a massive magical purple teapot with toast-wings".

Imagine if I then came back at you with the argument "Prove that a magical purple teapot with toast-wings doesn't exist".

You would stare blankly and then come to the conclusion that I was an idiot.

Precisely.

 

[Glockmatic]

Prove to me that pixies don't exist and I'll prove to you that don't doesn't exist.

The answer will be the same for both.

 

[Bobby Sands]

you didnt prove it 100%. same way i cant prove there is 100%. fair enough.

btw i believe in the theory of evolution.

why did we evolve so much then?

 

[Glockmatic]

What do you mean "why did we evolve so much?" We are STILL evolving, it is so slow we think that it has stopped. Evolution doesn't stop, it will never stop until all life is gone. God has nothing to do with evolution, if he was we wouldn't have this disgusting body we have now. We have horrible posture because our spine was originally evolved as a four legged animal, our eyes have a blind spot because blood cells are inside our eyes rather than outside and a bunch of other shit.

 

[Snowman]

I accidentally thanked you for this post when I didn't mean to, so you owe me a good post in the future.

This post however is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

I have been an atheist my entire life. Yet I have morals. Evidently there is something wrong with your argument.

Morals do not come from religion. Religion creates more problems than it solves.

But as I recall you are the guy that believes in Creationism LOL LOL LOL LMAO so I don't even know why I bother addressing you.

Face facts. There is no god and the bible is the biggest pile of horse shit in existence. Believing in god = believing in the tooth fairy = believing in the boogeyman in your closet = believing in santa claus. grow up and get real.

I will retract the above paragraphs IF, and ONLY IF you can provide me with a single shred of evidence that LEGITIMATELY proves beyond any reaonable doubt that there is a god.

Anything.......??


No......???

That's what I thought.

I almost feel bad for shitting on you, but you religious motherfuckers piss me off to no end. Christianity, Islam, Scientology, I could give a fuck, they're all bullllsheeeeeeeeeeet and I happily piss all over them.

wow Casey thats sad man, *gets out the AC/DC cd with Highway to Hell on it*

i dont have to prove anything, i know we can talk religion and politics till were blue in the face.

thats good you got morals, that shows you have compassion for your fellow man. there are evil people that have no morals and values. have no remorse for their fellow man. those evil people in the world that wind up killin their fellow man.

go pick up a bible sometime, you may surprise yourself on what you can learn.

please dont show me that crap of Dawkins, Darwin, and Weinberg. that shit sickens me

(this is what the 1,000 anti religion thread on SH)?? :lol:

 

[Bobby Sands]

What do you mean "why did we evolve so much?" We are STILL evolving, it is so slow we think that it has stopped. Evolution doesn't stop, it will never stop until all life is gone. God has nothing to do with evolution, if he was we wouldn't have this disgusting body we have now. We have horrible posture because our spine was originally evolved as a four legged animal, our eyes have a blind spot because blood cells are inside our eyes rather than outside and a bunch of other shit.

ok to rephrase. why are we evolving so much more than other species?

 

[Glockmatic]

ok to rephrase. why are we evolving so much more than other species?

Our use of tools and ability to dominate every other species we come across has made us quite successful. We as a species were pretty stagnant as hunter-gatherers 15-20 thousand years ago, but once we learned how to cultivate plants and domesticate animals we had more time to actually THINK. Look at it this way, as hunter-gatherers all we did was think of food, but when we had food growing in our backyard we had the time to innovate, making survival much easier. No other animal in the world has done this, so all they're thinking about is food food food.

 

[Jeremy]

wrong it would be worse, no religion people would have no morals.

I have great morals and I think religion is a crock of shit. Now where did I get that from? My parents who aren't religious and my own brain. You don't need religion to teach morals. All religion teaches is separation and how to judge people.

 

[roaches]

does this god grow through metabolism or physical reproduction? i never heard of that in your precious bible. it does not. therefore it does not live, ergo, it does not exist.

i'm as skeptical as anyone, but jesus, that's a terrible argument.

What do you mean "why did we evolve so much?" We are STILL evolving, it is so slow we think that it has stopped. Evolution doesn't stop, it will never stop until all life is gone. God has nothing to do with evolution

you don't think modern technology and culture have done anything to halt the tide of natural selection? in 2009, the mentally and physically handicapped routinely manage to reproduce while some of the most passionate, fearless/reckless of our species blow themselves and their countrymen up out of a cultural imperative before reproducing.

 

[Bender]

i think objectively (in the adjective sense) when it comes to religion, about a time when rulers and those that govern were looking for ways to keep their prosperity of rule, and keep peoples at bay away from causing conflict and trouble. people who couldn't fight a system of rule only had religion to fall back on.


i agree on the point that religion has a lot of ethical and moral principles, but i don't believe and don't think that they should be taken to be solid precepts that should be the foundations of action, no

religion is a dogma. philosophy is my religion, which is anti dogma, anti precept.

i really think that eastern religions are the realest religions out there, their values are a lot more humanistic and do not focus on such dieties as a God to be the explaining foundation of existence; eastern religion has no precepts. those who worship Buhdda are told 'if you seek buhdda you will not find him', there is no idolisation of any kind, not even of the teaching priciples; wheras the western god demands worship, reverance, and recognition of superiority

i don't think that religion is evil, i just think that a lot of it deals too much with issues like spirituality and humanity in the wrong contexts, and confuses them

 

[Glockmatic]

you don't think modern technology and culture have done anything to halt the tide of natural selection? in 2009, the mentally and physically handicapped routinely manage to reproduce while some of the most passionate, fearless/reckless of our species blow themselves and their countrymen up out of a cultural imperative before reproducing.

Evolution will eventually weed the bad genes out down the line, we're looking at a very small time line when evolution takes millions of years to see drastic results. People will become so handicapped they'll stop reproducing (horrible wording but I'm tired).

At an evolutionary stand point, people who die before they spread their genes have failed their evolutionary goal (reproduction).

 

[Da_Funk]

Exactly. i have no problem with other people's beliefs. i could care less. It us that constantly gets this shit about being ignorant. I swear to god these guys are worse than any religious preacher i have ever met in my life. Its like every 2 weeks we get a thread on this shit trying to convert us or something. im fed up of it. its like arguing with the wall as well.

Truth spoken right here. This thread is just going to go in circles, no progress will be made, and people will be pissed at each other. I agree with Casey and Glock in that religion needs to be phased out of society, I have no idea how, but arguements like these are not the way.

There's a difference between believing in Man-made religion and the religion of God.

If someone can't know the difference between em, that is their problem, but no one should be belittled for the way they've grown or the way they choose to lead their lives. Me, Bobby and many other 'believer' members of the board have never forced shit down anyone's throat. I don't see why someone should have the right to do so to us. By doing so, they're just as bad as the one's they've come to hate so much.

Someone should just refer to the first anti-religion thread, Chronic, me, Sebastian, Glockmatic and many others commented on.

There really is no difference, they are both stupid. Period. I don't mean to offend, but this is my opinion and I'm not going to sugar coat it. Note, I didn't say you, or others who believe in them are stupid.

What irks me is that if people stopped to think with logic, or call it outside the box thinking if you were brought up in a religious environment, is that you'd come to the only reasonable conclusion that there is no god. Its like when you see someone who you know could be exceptional in the things they do, only they're not because they don't put it in the effort. Thats the kind've frustration I feel with most religious people I know.

wow Casey thats sad man, *gets out the AC/DC cd with Highway to Hell on it*

i dont have to prove anything, i know we can talk religion and politics till were blue in the face.

thats good you got morals, that shows you have compassion for your fellow man. there are evil people that have no morals and values. have no remorse for their fellow man. those evil people in the world that wind up killin their fellow man.

go pick up a bible sometime, you may surprise yourself on what you can learn.

please dont show me that crap of Dawkins, Darwin, and Weinberg. that shit sickens me

(this is what the 1,000 anti religion thread on SH)?? :lol:

Just stop Snowman. You don't do yourself or your fellow believers any good when you post, you just make yourself and your cause look stupid. Your posts scream of the kid who covers his ears and starts yelling when someone is showing him a truth he doesn't wanna face. And I mean all this in the nicest possible way.

i'm as skeptical as anyone, but jesus, that's a terrible argument.

you don't think modern technology and culture have done anything to halt the tide of natural selection? in 2009, the mentally and physically handicapped routinely manage to reproduce while some of the most passionate, fearless/reckless of our species blow themselves and their countrymen up out of a cultural imperative before reproducing.

Evolution takes place over millions of years. We are no more evolved than the ancient egyptians were. Our branch of humans (homo sapiens) will eventually evolve into a different type of human and we (homosapiens) will become extinct, much like the neandarthals (sp) did, that is if we don't destroy ourselves before we have the chance to evolve.

ok to rephrase. why are we evolving so much more than other species?

Thats a horrible way of looking at it. Human's are not "more evolved" than say dolphins, or whales, or bears, or lions, etc. We have different traits and advantages than them and we evolved around those traits, it just so happens our unique traits are better suited to let us manipulate the environment around us.