Religion = Evil [RIP Dr. George Tiller]

Casey

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#1
Here is the latest example.

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I haven't always been an atheist. To the contrary, I test drove quite a few religions down my path of disbelief. The one constant theme that I saw was that each sect believed that theirs was the one and only true word and way to what they called God. At a young age, this was the first glaring red flag that I couldn't ignore. I suppose that is reason #1 that I am an atheist, but that isn't what I intended to discuss here.

On Sunday morning, May 30, 2009, a self-proclaimed christian named Sam Roeder pointed a gun and pulled the trigger on Dr George Tiller as he attended church. Dr Tiller was one of three surgeons, nationally, who would perform what is called 'late term abortions' on women. These procedures were not random procedures. Some of Tiller's patients discovered late in their pregnancies that their fetus's had severe, potentially fatal birth defects. Others were experiencing pregnancy of the highest risk, in which delivery of the fetus would endanger the life or organs of the potential mother. George Tiller was not an evil man. He was a medical doctor, a surgeon, helping women with no other choice; women who would have surely sought alternative and dangerous methods of terminating the pregnancy with or without the help of Tiller, or another doctor like him. Not only was Tiller attending church at the time of his assassination, but he was serving as an usher. For those who may not have caught that, George Tiller was serving his god in his church when he was assassinated for doing his job, which was helping women in desperate physical and emotional conditions. Tiller was shot in the head at point blank range. He was wearing a bullet proof vest, AS HE ATTENDED CHURCH, due to the threats he had received on his life.

Since the death of Dr Tiller, many individuals have let their voices be heard, praising the courage of the gunman. @iskidd via Twitter is just one of the many who has made it his personal mission of the last 4 days to name call and belittle anyone posting condolences for the death of Dr Tiller, calling women in support of Tiller's work 'whores', calling one man a 'douche bag f*****' and telling another tweeter that she should live with a bag over her head. The basis of his judgement? God. Of course. Clearly, God would not only support, but apparently call for and inspire an act of domestic terrorism, which is exactly what this is. This act is a crime against humanity and an atrocity against human rights. In fact, it seems that in the effort to be 'pro-life', that forced and untimely death is absolutely permissible, as long as it isn't a fetus, regardless of the circumstances, right? The contradiction is blinding and gut-wrenching. I ask you, how can a christian people that is founded on the term 'love thy neighbor' also be in support of the brutal slaying of one of the most progressive and influential women's health providers in our nation's history? Kill one to save many? What made that your call to make? God told you to do it? You did it for God? The killing of Dr George Tiller is a giant step backwards for human rights, women's health and the general progression of man as a species. I can't help but think that right-wing-christian-fundamentalist movement is decidedly Anti-Life, no matter what their signs and t-shirts say.

What does this have to do with my personal choice to be an atheist? What doesn't it have to do with it, is a more appropriate question.
 

Duke

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It was a Scott Roeder.

But yeah, fundamentalism is just as alive in the USA as it is in Iraq.
 

Jeremy

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If it weren't for religion the world would be a lot better. We would not be in Iraq or Afgan right now if it weren't for religion. Holy war ring a bell?
 

Flipmo

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If it weren't for religion the world would be a lot better. We would not be in Iraq or Afgan right now if it weren't for religion. Holy war ring a bell?
And if it wasn't for Communism, an ideology that did not promote religion, there wouldn't be a death toll that reached numbers beyond Hitler's 3rd Reich.

It's not religion that makes the world a bad place, it's the people itself.
 

masta247

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#14
If it wasn't for religion we probably wouldn't have a civilized society right now. We wouldn't understand most moralals we do these days.
 

Sebastian

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#16
Stop it guys, please. It hurts reading your crap.

And no, i cant stop reading through these threads. Its an addiction and it cant be fixed.

P.S.: Sofi, i hope this was an ironic thank you for masta.
 

Casey

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wrong it would be worse, no religion people would have no morals.
I accidentally thanked you for this post when I didn't mean to, so you owe me a good post in the future.

This post however is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

I have been an atheist my entire life. Yet I have morals. Evidently there is something wrong with your argument.

Morals do not come from religion. Religion creates more problems than it solves.

But as I recall you are the guy that believes in Creationism LOL LOL LOL LMAO so I don't even know why I bother addressing you.

Face facts. There is no god and the bible is the biggest pile of horse shit in existence. Believing in god = believing in the tooth fairy = believing in the boogeyman in your closet = believing in santa claus. grow up and get real.

I will retract the above paragraphs IF, and ONLY IF you can provide me with a single shred of evidence that LEGITIMATELY proves beyond any reaonable doubt that there is a god.

Anything.......??


No......???

That's what I thought.

I almost feel bad for shitting on you, but you religious motherfuckers piss me off to no end. Christianity, Islam, Scientology, I could give a fuck, they're all bullllsheeeeeeeeeeet and I happily piss all over them.


I will now provide some quotes from some very great and intelligent men.

“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~ Richard Dawkins
“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” ~ Richard Dawkins
The Bible is a collection of honorable, but primitive legends which are still nevertheless pretty childish. ~ Albert Einstein
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense." ~ Chapman Cohen
"Faith is the determination to remain ignorant in the face of all evidence that you are ignorant!" ~ Shaun Mason
One person with a delusion is called insanity. Many people with a delusion is called Religion! ~ R M Pirsig
 

Bobby Sands

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#18
most of the people in the world are religious. but i suppose the great rockstar knows everything and the rest of us are just fucking idiots.

fuck off with your arrogance please. im about to get sick.
 

masta247

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#19
oh no not this again.

Why do most religions even exist? Even if you don't believe in them then why were they even created? That's a historical fact - to make people obedient and teach morals. That's how they understood why it's bad to rape women, steal or kill. Some people understood that but religions helped to spread it further. The culture we have right now was mostly built on religions. Religion is a crucial part of our history and evolution. People in the past had to know that they'll get punished if they do something bad and law wasn't usually enough since it was easy to get away with a crime. Fear of getting judged anyway was what kept people from performing serious crimes. That's why most religions even exist. And in this case it doesn't matter if what people believe is right or wrong.
 

S O F I

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#20
P.S.: Sofi, i hope this was an ironic thank you for masta.
no, it was genuine.


When atheists speak of religion being used to brainwash and control people, they never look at what that really means...and that's trying to make people obedient, generous, and respectful.

Morals are deeply rooted in religion and as masta said, societies were shaped around them. Casey may have gotten his morals from society and not from religion, but society got it from religion way way back when. A ripple effect...or something.

We don't need religion nowadays to teach us much of anything. We can learn to behave just by watching TV (the good programs). Back in the day, people didn't have that option. The Bible was the ultimate guide.


When you meet atheists in real life, you often notice that their parents were quite religious and they rebelled against that. They say religion didn't make them the person they are, but their parenting did. Where did the parenting most likely come from?
 

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