Religion = Evil [RIP Dr. George Tiller]

[Flipmo]

Quite frankly, i dont know what you mean with this statement.

The differences between man-made religion and Religion of God is simple.

Firstly, I'm not going to diss those that attend it, but the Church (talking about Christians) is part of man-made religion. Nowhere in the bible for example does it say to be a good Christian, church attendance is mandatory. The creation of the church came WAY after the death of Christ.

Something that man-made religion created also is, editing of the Bible. Many gospels were banned from the Bible, specifically, the Gospel of Thomas who practically explains that God can be found everywhere. There was a great purge of Gospels and transformation of the bible late after 600AD. For example, I know it sounds cliche cause of the movies that have been coming out, but nowhere does it say Mary-Magdaleine was a prostitute in the Bible. Some of the greatest Theologians will tell you the same.

These are some examples of man-made religion. I'm not dissing those that go to church, whatever helps them find their faith it's great for them, but for me, it doesn't cut it.

Religion when used in the correct way is an amazing thing. Reading the bible litterally makes the psychos, but try reading it in context of the time it was written, and what the person was actually trying to say. You'll see yourself you're reading a whole different tale.

As I've said in the past, religion doesn't kill people, it's the everyday tormented individuals you sit next to in the bus (they generally all take public transit ) that you should fear.

I'm not sure if I'm made myself clear, but if you need any more clearing up. Ask away.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

This thread is evil to all mankind.

 

[juicebox3]

Here's something to think about. What if "God" was made by nature (the whole Big Bang theory so I guess science is a better word)? He may not have created us, but we may have been created by the same process as a higher being may have.

Can we accept that there's a possibility of life on places other than Earth? Then who's to say the organism has to be visible to us? What if he's some sort of "spirit" but not quite, just still a living thing? We can just label him as a higher being because he's beyond our planet (maybe) but maybe he was made the same we were and didn't make us.

 

[Sebastian]

Ok Flip, now please explain what you mean by religion of god.

 

[S O F I]

Its quite easy in my opinion. Religion is man made and if people, as you claim, got it from religion at some point, it all comes down to the fact that they automatically got it from people who wrote these books or scriptures...and their morals developed due to the environment that they grew up in (society, family, whatever).

Morals are deeply rooted in humans and their social groups in which they inevitably live in.

I've been misinterpreted and partly to my own fault. I think Duke was reading it the same way you do. I'm not saying the "first" man got his morals from religion or that nobody exhibited morals before religion. I'm saying as Christianity and Islam spread across the world and people took up their teachings, their children and so forth wore instilled morals in them through these religious teachings. Then, one by one, you can say it shaped society. You guys are saying that religion had no part in shaping morals in society that it was all some sort of social evolution. And it was, but with the help of religious teachings.

In society today, for example in the US, the legal system was strongly influenced by religion. You have the swearing on the bible, you have monuments of Ten Commandments in some court rooms (although I'm not sure if they were taken out recently).

I mean you can't tell me that little kids growing up in Christian homes around the world weren't taught to behave by reading the Ten Commandments. I'm not saying that without religion, we'd all be barbarians, but I'm saying religion played a strong factor in shaping morals in society one by one.

 

[Euphanasia]

Religion when used in the correct way is an amazing thing.

As I've said in the past, religion doesn't kill people, it's the everyday tormented individuals you sit next to in the bus (they generally all take public transit ) that you should fear.

What exactly is the "correct way" to use religion? Because if you want to base your life on the bible, you pretty much have a book that talks about genocide, infanticide, incest and rape. If you base your life on the Koran, you wish for everyone on earth to be converted or slaughtered.

I think you are confusing "religion" with certain desirable "values" that a religion such as Christianity has adopted, such as "love your neighbor." - which by the way, really only meant love your fellow jew and not your fellow man.

And that tormented man sitting next to you on a bus. He has a bomb. And he feels justified in blowing everybody the fuck up because his holy book was written by the Creator of the universe and that book encourages martyrdom.

 

[Snowman]

Just stop Snowman. You don't do yourself or your fellow believers any good when you post, you just make yourself and your cause look stupid. Your posts scream of the kid who covers his ears and starts yelling when someone is showing him a truth he doesn't wanna face. And I mean all this in the nicest possible way.

go take your ritlyn and sit in the corner. i dont listen to 15 year olds. i know the truth, you dont wanna hear my truth. thats fine i cant convince you or Casey. you guys will later in life see for yourself that there is a God out there. you guys will have your awakening

 

[Lil KaMiKaZe]

What exactly is the "correct way" to use religion? Because if you want to base your life on the bible, you pretty much have a book that talks about genocide, infanticide, incest and rape. If you base your life on the Koran, you wish for everyone on earth to be converted or slaughtered.

I think you are confusing "religion" with certain desirable "values" that a religion such as Christianity has adopted, such as "love your neighbor." - which by the way, really only meant love your fellow jew and not your fellow man.

And that tormented man sitting next to you on a bus. He has a bomb. And he feels justified in blowing everybody the fuck up because his holy book was written by the Creator of the universe and that book encourages martyrdom.

i think you should stick to getting kicked by girls

 

[Euphanasia]

i think you should stick to getting kicked by girls

it was a fist2

 

[masta247]

What exactly is the "correct way" to use religion? Because if you want to base your life on the bible, you pretty much have a book that talks about genocide, infanticide, incest and rape. If you base your life on the Koran, you wish for everyone on earth to be converted or slaughtered.

I think you are confusing "religion" with certain desirable "values" that a religion such as Christianity has adopted, such as "love your neighbor." - which by the way, really only meant love your fellow jew and not your fellow man.

And that tormented man sitting next to you on a bus. He has a bomb. And he feels justified in blowing everybody the fuck up because his holy book was written by the Creator of the universe and that book encourages martyrdom.

Koran doesn't justify blowing anybody up. These are sects that either have not much to do with Islam or people who misinterpret Koran (so again sects). Also, Christianity tells you to love everyone equally. It tells you that you shouldn't judge people on how they look.

I think that you base your opinions mostly on people who claim to be religious and media performing witchhunts on people who "went to a church from time to time" and say "ooh Christian murdered ooh".

I'm not saying that morals are here because of religions but I'm quite convinced that we wouldn't have marriages, quite peaceful society and that low crime rate just to name a few and while now religions are not that essential I'm sure that everything would look different if there were no religions and they simply played their own role already. Religions helped building succesful societies. They helped with bringing peace. It stimulated education, law and basically everything good. I'm sure that world would be a much worse place right now if there were no religions. There's basically no bad thing caused by religion itself untill stupid people come in. I can't think of any religious genuine bad guy while I know a few which were converted into doing good and started their new lives thanks to religion.

 

[Casey]

go take your ritlyn and sit in the corner. i dont listen to 15 year olds. i know the truth, you dont wanna hear my truth. thats fine i cant convince you or Casey. you guys will later in life see for yourself that there is a God out there. you guys will have your awakening

No, I won't "have an awakening".

There is no god. ------> FACT <----------

That is the ONLY truth.

Go ahead and pray to your god, see what fucking difference it makes. (here's a clue - none)

 

[Snowman]

No, I won't "have an awakening".

There is no god. ------> FACT <----------

That is the ONLY truth.

Go ahead and pray to your god, see what fucking difference it makes. (here's a clue - none)

its the TRUTH, wow man you sound like your having a bad day. your working too hard man, take some time off. never seen ya this hostile especially over religion.

 

[Bobby Sands]

its a fact?

there is 100% proof then?

oh dear

is you declaration that religious people are evil a fact as well?

 

[Casey]

its the TRUTH, wow man you sound like your having a bad day. your working too hard man, take some time off. never seen ya this hostile especially over religion.

Maybe you're right, I am a little tense. I pulled a muscle in my neck/shoulder about 3 days ago and was immobile for about 20 hours after I did. Still kinda hurts. Perhaps I should pray to get rid of my muscular pain (joke).

Still, my opinion remains the same. I know for a fact that I am the only one in control of my own life and while I admit for some people there may be a small benefit in having faith, the fact remains that pound-for-pound, religion and furthermore the very idea of a god is directly responsible for 10000000000x more negatives (war, suffering, genocide) than any positives it has given anyone.

it is no coincidence that the most inpiring, intelligent, successful, friendliest, down-to-earth, straight-forward people I have ever met are all atheists. And these range from people succesful in their own field of work all the way to multi-billionaire businessman.

And the flipside of that is that the vast majority of religious people I have met have been closed-minded, unsuccessful and prejudiced. And the further they delve into their religion, the more so that statement is. I've met priests who were disgustingly racist, angry, naive people.

Furthermore, I completely and whole-heartedly agree with Euphanasia's statement about religion holding back the progress of humankind as a whole.

Why the hell is gay marriage/denial of human rights an issue? RELIGION.

Why are doctors just doing their job helping unwell women who are having problems with their pregnancies getting murdered? RELIGION.

Why has there been a halt on the most promising medical breakthoughs, stem cell research and cloning (that could and will save millions of lives in the future)? RELIGION.

Why does a German nutbag called Hitler decide that an entire race of people needs to be wiped out, thus causing millions of deaths in the largest war of all time? RELIGION.

Why does a crazy Arabian fucker called Bin Laden and his merry band of followers believe it's OK to blow up buildings, citys, subways all full of civilians minding their own damn business? RELIGION.

It's pretty much understood facts by any intelligent person that gay people should have the right to get married, stem cell research and cloning will save lives, and terrorism is wrong. Religion is to blame for the block of the first two, and also to blame for the rise of the latter.

 

[Casey]

its a fact?

there is 100% proof then?

oh dear

is you declaration that religious people are evil a fact as well?

Yes. It is a fact. Just like it is a FACT that the tooth fairy does not exist. Because there is NO evidence to support either of them.

It is a fact that there is not an assassin standing behind you right this second holding a gun to the back of your head. There is no evidence to suggest that there is. What is your response to that? Are you going to ask me to prove that there isn't an assassin holding a gun to your head right now? And if I can't prove that, you will continue to believe that there is?

It would be a sweeping generalisation to declare that all religious people are evil. But religion, as a whole? Yes, it's evil. As I said - the facts are undeniable. It is the sole perpertrator of hundreds of millions of deaths, and a roadblock to advances in technology.

You know how I know religion is a joke? People like Henry VIII and L.Ron Hubbard.

Henry VIII couldn't get divorced because Catholocism wouldn't allow it. So he invented his own religion, and a few hundred years later you've got millions of fools believing in it, and all those people would defend it just as you are defending your faith right now.

L Ron Hubbard was quoted as saying the only way to get rich was to start your own religion. He wrote some crap about an alien overlord creating the earth, and voila - 50 years later theres thousands of people that believe that too, and they'll kill people over it, and attempt to silence any of their critics. They defend their faith just as strongly as they defend yours.

And I can find examples of this that relate to ANY religion. It's a sack of shit and foolish to believe in it. That's the bare bones of the matter. If you are happy to be a fool, then that is fair enough. However, some of us believe in progress, intelligence and logic.

 

[cS bIsHoP]

No, I won't "have an awakening".

There is no god. ------> FACT <----------

That is the ONLY truth.

Go ahead and pray to your god, see what fucking difference it makes. (here's a clue - none)

You obviously find pleasure in mocking religion. You religion-haters are all the same, same arguments, same spite, you conform just as much as the people you patronize and shake your head at and lets face it, you think you are better than. That is why you are so wrong. Are you stupid enough to believe that this world would be better without religion? People would be mass murdering, raping, stealing all the same, it's our animalistic pedigree.

 

[Sebastian]

I mean you can't tell me that little kids growing up in Christian homes around the world weren't taught to behave by reading the Ten Commandments. I'm not saying that without religion, we'd all be barbarians, but I'm saying religion played a strong factor in shaping morals in society one by one.

Meh, honestly, i knew that you meant it the way you explained it now. I just pretended i didnt and made my point clear as if someone brought up a slightly different argument.

And yes, of course you are right with the last paragraph. - However, i dont think it was/is a very good way to teach someone about morals...by making up a story and invent an omnipotent authority.

Additionally, i dont like it if someone says "religion brought morals to mankind", as if religion came out of nowhere.

Koran doesn't justify blowing anybody up. These are sects that either have not much to do with Islam or people who misinterpret Koran (so again sects). Also, Christianity tells you to love everyone equally. It tells you that you shouldn't judge people on how they look.

You are clearly ignorant to some of the things written down in holy scriptures. Clearly.

I'm not saying that morals are here because of religions...

..good...but what follows now:

but I'm quite convinced that we wouldn't have marriages, quite peaceful society and that low crime rate just to name a few and while now religions are not that essential I'm sure that everything would look different if there were no religions and they simply played their own role already. Religions helped building succesful societies. They helped with bringing peace. It stimulated education, law and basically everything good. I'm sure that world would be a much worse place right now if there were no religions. There's basically no bad thing caused by religion itself untill stupid people come in. I can't think of any religious genuine bad guy while I know a few which were converted into doing good and started their new lives thanks to religion.

..thats just "wow"! I mean, i dont even know where to start.

 

[Sebastian]

You obviously find pleasure in mocking religion. You religion-haters are all the same, same arguments, same spite, you conform just as much as the people you patronize and shake your head at and lets face it, you think you are better than. That is why you are so wrong. Are you stupid enough to believe that this world would be better without religion? People would be mass murdering, raping, stealing all the same, it's our animalistic pedigree.

Lol? Or lmao?

Dont you see that huuuge lack of logic in your argument? I can prove to you right now that you are wrong: Im an atheist so i dont believe in god. However, surprisingly, i never did any of the things youve mentioned! :amazed:

Plus, did you know? The countries with the lowest crime rates are the most secular countries (i think a scandinavian country was on top of the list).

How do you explain this? Right, not at all.

 

[Glockmatic]

You obviously find pleasure in mocking religion. You religion-haters are all the same, same arguments, same spite, you conform just as much as the people you patronize and shake your head at and lets face it, you think you are better than. That is why you are so wrong. Are you stupid enough to believe that this world would be better without religion? People would be mass murdering, raping, stealing all the same, it's our animalistic pedigree.

Countries that didn't have christianity/islam/judaism had perfectly fine societies. China and the entire eastern nations all based their morals on philosophy, not a higher power.

The morals we have come from our evolutionary roots. To be kind to one another meant a better chance at survival. If you were kind to a person in your tribe, theres a pretty good chance that person will be good to you. Share food with that person, that person might share food with you. As generations passed these morals were ingrained into us, so much so that people think that we get it from somewhere else...

 

[Euphanasia]

Koran doesn't justify blowing anybody up. These are sects that either have not much to do with Islam or people who misinterpret Koran

I'm not saying that morals are here because of religions but I'm quite convinced that we wouldn't have marriages, quite peaceful society and that low crime rate just to name a few

Religions helped building succesful societies. They helped with bringing peace. It stimulated education, law and basically everything good. I'm sure that world would be a much worse place right now if there were no religions.

I strongly disagree.

The following is from the Koran:

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous. (Koran 9:123).

"Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him...the true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan. (Koran 4:74-78).

Clearly, one who reads this (and wholeheartedly believes this is the word of God) is not misinterpreting the Koran when he blows up a bus full of American children.

Moreover, what you say about a low crime rate and peace is actually just the opposite. We live in a world where countless people die everyday over religion. People do not get morals from religion, they don't get their values. These alleged holy books harbor some good, but are overridden with violence and bloodshed.

If religion were abolished (as it will have to be if humankind is to survive) there would be far less war, less divisiveness between people, more tolerance and love.