Illegal to copy music from your CD to computer?

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PuffnScruff

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hahaha the recording industry is desperate after the sales declining more than stock in the new york times

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html
Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.
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Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.
 

Rahim

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everyone does it and thats what makes this okay. they need to stop looking for loop holes. i hope it doesnt affect canada as much as it does in the states.... America is more uptight about losing money when it comes to music because the most popular recording artists are from the states...so i guess i can kinda understand that..but these guys are fucked...wasnt the oil enough for you...wasnt taking all those innocent lives in the the other countries good enough? now u want the music too?
 

masta247

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so how about when in my country making copies of anything is legal? You can make 10000 copies of a game or music cd and it's ok but RIAA still chases people here.
 
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you know, i might just buy a condo in china... i could take a job at HP tech support, im indian, im a shoo-in.... and piracy reigns free... and i wont have to look hard and far for a chinese restaurant..
 

Jeremy

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That's so gay. So it's illegal to copy your CDs you bought to yout Mp3 player also? That's the same fucking thing. Cock suckers.
 
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so i guess i can kinda understand that..but these guys are fucked...wasnt the oil enough for you...wasnt taking all those innocent lives in the the other countries good enough? now u want the music too?
:confused: don't see the relevance of the War in Iraq and Oil having to do with Music piracy, but whatever floats your boat i guess...
 

hizzle?

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Rahim says some stupid stuff sometimes.

Anyways, speaking of piracy, anyone has/knows any good program that removes protection from files?
 

Synful*Luv

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That's insane. If I spend a waste of $20 for a CD with only 3 good songs on it, I damn well better be able to copy that to my iPod. Who in the hell plays CDs anymore? They're big, bulky and get in the way. When I can have this tiny device smaller than my cell phone which plays nothing but constant music of what I want to hear.

SOmeone should argue that it's a driving hazard to listen to CDs as I am not paying full attention to the road while i'm trying to skip over the crappy songs I don't like and find a new CD to put into the CD player. An iPod is safer and to get music onto my iPod I must put it on my computer, lol
 

ARon

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I don't think it is illegal, yet....if it will ever be. This is just something they are bringing up in an on going case, at least that's what I think. So no need to fret.
 

Rahim

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:confused: don't see the relevance of the War in Iraq and Oil having to do with Music piracy, but whatever floats your boat i guess...
the point i was trying to make was that America takes away from people. weather it be oil, ppls lives or even music.

Rahim says some stupid stuff sometimes.

Anyways, speaking of piracy, anyone has/knows any good program that removes protection from files?
im sorry you found it so hard to make sense out of it.
 

PuffnScruff

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lol what oil? the u.s. hasn't taken away oil from any country. the oil industry is a business, not part of the govt. if you are talking about iraq anyone that stays up on current events knows that isn't true. iraq has control of their own oil and are considering selling it to other countries and the u.s. isn't even on the list. lol

aron summed it up though, this probably wont happen. it is just an idea that is being brought up because the music industry in the u.s. is on life support.
 
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there is no way they could win a case by making this argument, because that's exactly what it would do. if a judge ruled in the RIAA's favor, mp3 players would go off the market. anyone who ever made a mixtape, or dubbed one of their friend's CD's, tapes, whatever, would all be criminals. VCRs and Recordable DVD players would have to be banned. same with CD and DVD burners. and so on and so on. it's ridiculous that they even try to make this claim.
 

hizzle?

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the point i was trying to make was that America takes away from people. weather it be oil, ppls lives or even music.



im sorry you found it so hard to make sense out of it.
Come the hell on Rahim, calm down. You know I'm joking. I'm teasing you. *tickle tickle* I wuv woo.
 
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the point i was trying to make was that America takes away from people. weather it be oil, ppls lives or even music.
:sleepy: Another anti-American statement backed up by no facts whatsoever, where do you guys get such extreme ideas that we're overseas trying to steal oil?? Believe me if there were facts out there provin this I'd be pissed off too..
Plus, It sounds like you believe our war in Iraq is against innocent people and not against terrorists and extremists.... Innocent people die in every war so don't try and make this more than what it is.. Because a couple crazy soldiers decided to kill some innocent people doesn't mean you can blanket the whole country under their misdeeds..
 

Rahim

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:sleepy: Another anti-American statement backed up by no facts whatsoever, where do you guys get such extreme ideas that we're overseas trying to steal oil?? Believe me if there were facts out there provin this I'd be pissed off too..
Plus, It sounds like you believe our war in Iraq is against innocent people and not against terrorists and extremists.... Innocent people die in every war so don't try and make this more than what it is.. Because a couple crazy soldiers decided to kill some innocent people doesn't mean you can blanket the whole country under their misdeeds..
millions of ppl dying in iraq cause of the war is not a fact?. its not called stealing oil if you go to war for it.
 
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:sleepy: Another anti-American statement backed up by no facts whatsoever, where do you guys get such extreme ideas that we're overseas trying to steal oil?? Believe me if there were facts out there provin this I'd be pissed off too..
Plus, It sounds like you believe our war in Iraq is against innocent people and not against terrorists and extremists.... Innocent people die in every war so don't try and make this more than what it is.. Because a couple crazy soldiers decided to kill some innocent people doesn't mean you can blanket the whole country under their misdeeds..
so now,iraq is better than before "You" (you're saying "our war") came to act "against terrorists and extremists"?
 
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