WTF is wrong with the justice system?

[Farzin]

^Yea but even though what you say is true a lot of people blur that line because they take it too far with the victim role. Thats why i don't like it when people pull the sickness card.

As if they are absolutely mentally incapable of controlling their actions. That's not true. I am attracted to women but you don't see me molesting them.

 

[PuffnScruff]

chronic is a member of the north american man/boy love assocation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

 

[Rukas]

I disagree. I don't care if it's natural or not. It's not the same as being attracted to someone who is 15 but looks grown. There's no question that it's a baby. In this case HIS OWN baby. I think when you said it's ok if it's a woman you were referring to the teacher/student thing. (could be wrong) I think that is totally different. Age of consent varies by state and even younger in different countries. I understand the argument that it's a sexual preference but how can someone be sexually attracted to someone who is not even sexually developed?
I have a very strong desire and urge to kill all child molesters...it's natural but I'm probably not gonna act on it...hopefully.

It is an attraction they cant help though. Its not like they wake up and say "hey I want to be evil and fuck kids." They cant help being attracted to what they are attracted to anymore than you can or homosexuals can.

It's not a choice, it's a mental disease. What Chronic is saying is it needs treatment, but until it is "accepted" by society people are too scared to seek that treatment.

It is their choice to act on it, but it is not their choice to be that way, and we all know sexual urges are hard to ignore.

These people are sick and need treatment and proper treatment needs to be made available BEFORE any crime is committed. For that to happen Pedofilia needs to become more open and accepted as a disease and not some sort of evil hobby.

 

[keco52]

It is an attraction they cant help though. Its not like they wake up and say "hey I want to be evil and fuck kids." They cant help being attracted to what they are attracted to anymore than you can or homosexuals can.

It's not a choice, it's a mental disease. What Chronic is saying is it needs treatment, but until it is "accepted" by society people are too scared to seek that treatment.

It is their choice to act on it, but it is not their choice to be that way, and we all know sexual urges are hard to ignore.

These people are sick and need treatment and proper treatment needs to be made available BEFORE any crime is committed. For that to happen Pedofilia needs to become more open and accepted as a disease and not some sort of evil hobby.

Have you heard the story about the 18 month old that was raped and now has to live the rest of her life with a colostomy bag? or a 4 month old (that's an infant) that was raped and eventually died due to injuries from the rape. Knowing that...you're going to tell me a grown ass man is attracted to a toddler? I'm sorry...that's is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. I don't care to understand their "mental disease"...they're in the same book as murderers to me. I hope they all die slow.

 

[Chronic]

you're going to tell me a grown ass man is attracted to a toddler? I'm sorry...that's is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard.

What is it then?

 

[PuffnScruff]

it's not knowing the difference between what is right and what is wrong

 

[Rukas]

I don't care to understand their "mental disease"...they're in the same book as murderers to me. I hope they all die slow.

Thats your ignorance then.

And until people stop thinking like that we're going to have closet pedofiles scared to seek treatment and thus prevention for their urges and these crimes will continue.

Personally, I would rather every ignorant person in the world died QUICK rather than slow. So we could understand the ills of society without creating monsters and things like this would stop.

Monsters are hard to fight. Mentally disturbed individuals are easier.

If people were shunned and embarrassed about being bi polar for example, they would never get treatment, would hide it, until their depression would reach a peak where they would commit suicide, each and every time. Instead, we understand the disorder and treat it.

The same thing for pedophiles, they are scared to come forward and admit they have an unnatural attraction to minors, they do not seek help or treatment, until they shift from one extreme to the other and these innocent children are HURT.

I would much rather ignorant people like you didnt control the world, and we developed a caring society where people could come forward without the fear of being shunned by others and admit they have a problem and we could then either a) help to cure them or b) keep them away from children BEFORE they do anything.

Would you rather prevent child abuse, or kill and punish those that do it?

Personally, I would rather prevent these horrors from happening; seems to me you'd just rather punish people instead of treating the real problem.

 

[keco52]

What is it then?

I dunno bc I'm not a chester but I don't believe that the majority of ppl that molest children are pedophiles...or attracted to children. I'm sure there are men who are attracted to kids but I THINK only a small percentage. I have no idea and I'm only assuming. I want to understand pedophiles just as much as I want to understand why people kill. I only know what thing about the 2...they don't deserve to live. It's not THAT damn hard to have self-control...especially when you know it could seriously damage someone mentally and physically.

 

[keco52]

Thats your ignorance then.

And until people stop thinking like that we're going to have closet pedofiles scared to seek treatment and thus prevention for their urges and these crimes will continue.

Personally, I would rather every ignorant person in the world died QUICK rather than slow. So we could understand the ills of society without creating monsters and things like this would stop.

Monsters are hard to fight. Mentally disturbed individuals are easy.

If people we're shunned and embarassed about being bi polar for example, they would never get treatment, would hide it, until their depression would reach a peak where they would commit suicide, each and every time. Instead, we understand the disorder and treat it.

The same thing for pedofiles, they are scared to come forward and admit they have an unnatrual attraction to minors, they do not seek help or treatment, until they shift from one extreme to the other and these innocent children are HURT.

I would much rather ignorant people like you didnt control the world, and we developed a caring society where people could come forward without the fear of being shunned by others and admit they have a problem and we could then either a) help to cure them or b) keep them away from children BEFORE they do anything.

Would you rather prevent child abuse, or kill and punish those that do it?

Personally, I would rather prevent these horrors from happening; seems to me you'd just rather punish people instead of treating the real problem.

Then we'll just disagree and I'll stay ignorant. You don't think we should punish killers? You think we should try to understand them too? I don't think they can be treated...that's what I'm trying to say. I don't think depression and bi-polar disorder are ever cured...they get better for a while but they never really go away. We'll just medicate the hell out of all of them and just HOPE they don't act on their urges. And we'll tell all the babies that were raped that they need to understand that a grown man is acting on his own natural urges...

We can argue back and forth and you can call me ignorant because I have a different opinion or we can just agree to disagree.

 

[S O F I]

You're all arguing like effective treatment for pedophilia exists. (LOL?)

If pedophilia is a mental disease, then so is homosexuality.

Sidenote: The suggestions you guys have for child molesters and rapists and murderers are no worse than the laws that allow women to be whipped for being in the company of married men.

 

[_carmi]

Canadian justice system, CANADIAN justice system.

our justice system is weak i gotta admit.

if pedophilia is a mental disease: mental diseases cannt be cured. the only treatments the people suffering from mental diseases can have are medication (that may or may not work) and therapy (that may work if the patient is willing to put effort in it).

like keco said, its all about self control. i could be atrracted like crazy to the guy next to me yet i wouldn't jump on him. same with pedophiles. some pedophiles will never act upon their attractions and then there are child molesters who will NEVER learn self control.

and then it's noe thing molesting a child and molesting his own child.

 

[PuffnScruff]

If people were shunned and embarrassed about being bi polar for example, they would never get treatment, would hide it, until their depression would reach a peak where they would commit suicide, each and every time. Instead, we understand the disorder and treat it.

The same thing for pedophiles, they are scared to come forward and admit they have an unnatural attraction to minors, they do not seek help or treatment, until they shift from one extreme to the other and these innocent children are HURT.

I would much rather ignorant people like you didnt control the world, and we developed a caring society where people could come forward without the fear of being shunned by others and admit they have a problem and we could then either a) help to cure them or b) keep them away from children BEFORE they do anything.
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do you think that homosexuality is a mental disorder that needs to be treated?

 

[_carmi]

do you think that homosexuality is a mental disorder that needs to be treated?

i was about to ask him that question.

 

[Rukas]

Then we'll just disagree and I'll stay ignorant. You don't think we should punish killers? You think we should try to understand them too? I don't think they can be treated...that's what I'm trying to say. I don't think depression and bi-polar disorder are ever cured...they get better for a while but they never really go away. We'll just medicate the hell out of all of them and just HOPE they don't act on their urges. And we'll tell all the babies that were raped that they need to understand that a grown man is acting on his own natural urges...

We can argue back and forth and you can call me ignorant because I have a different opinion or we can just agree to disagree.

I never said dont punish them if they do it, I said try to prevent it from happening BEFORE they do it, and then if they still do it, yes punish them.

And they do that for insane people, they try to treat them and prevent them from doing anything, and then if they DO do something, they are punished THEN!

The difference is insanity is somewhat understood and accepted, people know it is not the persons fault, so when people suspect they are going crazy, they seek treatment without fear of being shunned. It is then treated, and a lot of crimes are prevented.

Pedophiles are scared to seek treatment because of society's views on the disease. Therefore they are left untreated and crimes are not prevented.

I would rather we all understood pedophilia was not some chosen evil, I would rather we understood it was a disease and supported the treatment of it, I would rather pedophiles were comfortable to seek help, I would rather crimes were prevented before they happened. Then if they still occured, THEN punish, just like with insanity.

You on the other hand would rather burn the torches, scream monster, scream murder, and push these people further into hiding where their disease goes unchecked and more children are harmed. To me, that in itself is crazy!

 

[PuffnScruff]

You're all arguing like effective treatment for pedophilia exists. (LOL?)

If pedophilia is a mental disease, then so is homosexuality.

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that is exactly what i was thinking

 

[Rukas]

do you think that homosexuality is a mental disorder that needs to be treated?

I have a homosexual cousin. He didnt chose to be that way. Growing up he would have much rather been straight, but he was homosexual.

It is not a choice.

 

[_carmi]

I have a homosexual cousin. He didnt chose to be that way. Growing up he would have much rather been straight, but he was homosexual.

It is not a choice.

yes but pedophilia is a sexual orientation. if you say pedophilia is a disease, then so is homosexuality?

 

[Rukas]

Basically, I think we should treat pedophiles, or at least welcome them to seek treatment themselves, if they accept they have a problem and receive support from society I think they are less likely to give in to their urges. They are taught how to stay away from temptation, etc etc, in the same way alcoholics are taught to stop drinking and support is giving.

Then, if they still molest children, by all means, chop their balls off. Really, castrate them to prevent further offenses.

 

[_carmi]

Basically, I think we should treat pedophiles, or at least welcome them to seek treatment themselves, if they accept they have a problem and receive support from society I think they are less likely to give in to their urges. They are taught how to stay away from temptation, etc etc, in the same way alcoholics are taught to stop drinking and support is giving.

Then, if they still molest children, by all means, chop their balls off. Really, castrate them to prevent further offenses.

there is no treatment. the only thing they can get as a treatment would be therapy. even then, not sure it would work.

 

[Rukas]

yes but pedophilia is a sexual orientation. if you say pedophilia is a disease, then so is homosexuality?

I believe both can be classified as a sexual disorder.

disorder n. A lack of order or regular arrangement; confusion.

Both pedophilia and homosexuality is not the regular arrangement as it does not promote the function sexual intercourse exists to serve. However the difference is homosexuality occurs between consenting adults and thus we do not need to teach homosexuals how to sustain from it or support them in doing so.

It is not a choice though.

Pedophilia is the extreme of the two, and for safety reasons, it should be treated.