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Duke

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I crashed my mom's car. About an hour ago. I was on a lightning quick 5 minute run to my nearby friend to borrow a computer mouse and keyboard. Now there's a little stretch of road with a few fun corners in between the areas where you can't go pedal-to-the-metal. I know it reasonably well. The weather was poor, very wet road. On the way over nothing happened. Under heavy braking, though, sometimes the wheels slipped a bit (where's the ABS gone?). Pretty "normal" levels of grip and understeer for the cornerning speeds and road conditions for the rest, though.

On the way back I had to go over a railway track, with a sharp left (max. 40 kph) flowing out into a 200 meter straight and an S-curve. Now there's water (like actual water. Few feet deep few weet wide. Enough to drown in) on both sides and even though I know the road quite well I wouldn't go all-out there because the water scares the fuck out of me. Now that S-curve ends in a 25 meter straight and then a sharp, but wide righthander. Beautiful corner to stomp through under good conditions. And I have done that before with no problems.

I was approaching the S-curve quite fast, third gear, 100kph. Chose my line through, grabbed fourth, apexed at 120 kph (sounds fast but the corner is quite fast and fluent). Fucking ace, you'd think. And I did think that. And that did me in. Nailing that S-curve gave me overboost on the confidence meter and then in the wide, sharp righthander I overdid it. In hindsight, I don't think it was the speed (I took it once at 80-ish, in the dry of course, and that was pretty straightforward.), because when things went wrong I was doing slightly north of 65. The road is wide enough to take that speed if you get the right line, even in the wet. But my dumb ass mistake was that I changed direction too quick. I tugged the wheel. LAWL STUPID. Understeer bonanza, of course. I wasn't expecting that (mistake number 2, always expect understeer in an FF under hard cornering in the wet) and didn't touch the brakes or tried to swish the car out of it.

Result? Boinking straight through a shallow dry ditch @ 55-ish, clipping a traffic sign board (for the little parking haven that's "behind" the corner) with the right mirror(if that sounds too close for comfort, you're absolutely right), shattering it. I came to a halt in the little parking space that's there, about 10 metres "in/behind" the corner from where I went off. Scared the fuck out of me, of course. Car didn't fall apart, though, so I reversed it out of the parking haven and drove home. Exterior damage is limited to the mirror, but there's definietly something wrong with the underpinnings as the rest of the way there was a weird vibration from the wheel. In the end, however, it's my ego that took the most damage. I've been driving for almost four years now, and in those almost four years I did my fair share of stupid shit. And up till now I didn't have close calls. Never went off, never got in an accident, never got a huge fine, never got pulled over, and then this minor skiddy slip. Fuck.
 

S O F I

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I'm going to have to have a long conversation with your mother on MSN soon about your behavior, young dukey.
 

Duke

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ah that's harsh... what car?

1.9 Vectra diesel. Raging quick machine. 1200 horsepower, 0-60 3 seconds etc etc.


Hey Deeez, you know anything about ABS not working well in the wet? I could swear that slipping wheels under braking (not even pedal to the floor braking) is not supposed to happen. Not that that caused the incident, that was all on me, but still.
 
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Hey Deeez, you know anything about ABS not working well in the wet? I could swear that slipping wheels under braking (not even pedal to the floor braking) is not supposed to happen. Not that that caused the incident, that was all on me, but still.
Well, I think it's fairly obvious that a car's components don't work as well in the rain... ABS included. Maybe your car's tires were worn down to the point where the treads are far less effective in less-than-ideal situations. Driving 140 miles home last night from a physical abilities test for a law enforcement agency I applied for, it began to rain, and I had to be extra careful since I had taken my mom's E320 (better gas mileage than my Evo), which has tires that are pretty close to the wear bars since I didn't want to understeer into a corner.
 

S O F I

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LOL at taking the E320 for better gas mileage when both cars are gas guzzlers.

Buy your mom a prius. :D
 
#9
LOL at taking the E320 for better gas mileage when both cars are gas guzzlers.
Not really. E320 is 21 city/30 highway mpg, Evo is 19/25 (both EPA estimates). Neither are good or bad, but I knew I'd be better off with the E320, plus it has cruise control, which helps when driving 140+ miles to a test where I'd have to sprint, rather than keeping my right leg planted on the throttle for over two hours.
Buy your mom a prius. :D
With what money?
 
#11
Yea, that's what the sticker says, but measure it yourself and you'd be surprised. My 190D barely got 28, and it's, well, a diesel.
I'm pretty good at getting (and sometimes exceeding) EPA estimates if I try. I've gotten close to 500 miles on less than a full tank in the E320 once, and that was driving at 90+ mph to Vegas in 100 degree weather with the A/C running while carrying four people and a few bags, suits, dresses and a cooler. And this E320 was definitely past 100k miles at that point too. I've gotten as high as 26.22 mpg in my Evo, which exceeds the EPA estimate, so I'm fairly confident I could do it in almost any car if I tried.
 

Duke

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I'm pretty good at getting (and sometimes exceeding) EPA estimates if I try. I've gotten close to 500 miles on less than a full tank in the E320 once, and that was driving at 90+ mph to Vegas in 100 degree weather with the A/C running while carrying four people and a few bags, suits, dresses and a cooler. And this E320 was definitely past 100k miles at that point too. I've gotten as high as 26.22 mpg in my Evo, which exceeds the EPA estimate, so I'm fairly confident I could do it in almost any car if I tried.
That requires luck (with traffic), patience and a fair amount of self restraint. I don't think EPA's are estimated with driving like a nun in mind. Sure it's possible, but on a day to day basis you'll never drive that economically.
 
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That requires luck (with traffic), patience and a fair amount of self restraint. I don't think EPA's are estimated with driving like a nun in mind. Sure it's possible, but on a day to day basis you'll never drive that economically.
It's not as difficult as you think. Yes, fun driving will inevitably consume more fuel, but the number one thing is throttle position. I could drive spiritedly or be stuck in a reasonable amount of traffic and still get above average gas mileage for that vehicle. For example, here is an incident of mine where I had much less than ideal conditions but still exceeded the EPA highway mpg estimate (taken from one of my posts at SoCalEvo.net):
I just got back from a trip and got 25.37 mpg, which was really surprising considering the conditions I was in. I drove from my home in Oxnard to Rancho Cucamonga (for a law enforcement physical abilities test), typically going between 75-85 mph with the A/C on most of the time, then from there to Irvine at 5:30 PM so I hit a little bit of traffic going on the 10E-15S-91W-55S-73S (following google maps). I also took a few friends for a spin, driving to redline a couple times from a standstill. I filled up the next morning before driving back home.
I'd say that this represented more typical situations... a bit of traffic, speeds above the limit by 10-20 mph, A/C use, etc. It's possible, you just have to know how to do it. My older brother has a Honda Civic but probably falls well below the 30 city/35 highway mpg rating because of his poor throttle control.
 

Duke

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It's not as difficult as you think. Yes, fun driving will inevitably consume more fuel, but the number one thing is throttle position. I could drive spiritedly or be stuck in a reasonable amount of traffic and still get above average gas mileage for that vehicle. For example, here is an incident of mine where I had much less than ideal conditions but still exceeded the EPA highway mpg estimate (taken from one of my posts at SoCalEvo.net):

I'd say that this represented more typical situations... a bit of traffic, speeds above the limit by 10-20 mph, A/C use, etc. It's possible, you just have to know how to do it. My older brother has a Honda Civic but probably falls well below the 30 city/35 highway mpg rating because of his poor throttle control.
I know. What I meant was things like good "throughflow". Being stuck in traffic, stopping, accelerating etc, ruins your consumption. Driving stlye matters, a lot, especially in poorer traffic. I tend to get like 900/1000 km's on a 60 litre tank, driving pretty normally. When i'm being frugal, the computer says about 5.2 litre on a 100 km. So that's about 19 km's on a litre, that's about 12 miles per litre (giving 4 litre per gallon), coming down to 48 mpg. In theory. With a very light right foot. In reality the car will do about 42 mpg. Still good.
 
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^ I don't believe it's been eliminated, as it clearly has an effect on fuel consumption. Yes, more recently, the effect is less drastic than it was before, particularly in steady highway driving, but it still puts more of a load on your engine.
 

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