Religion = Evil [RIP Dr. George Tiller]

[Bender]

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normal citizens are just as scandalous, we just don't have the unfortunate circumstance of the paparazzi following our every move.

Take public transit for a month and you'll see some shit man.

public transit sucks. i would rather take a taxi than deal with the hustle & bustle of public transport. i can't imagine life without a car anymore

 

[masta247]

I strongly disagree.

The following is from the Koran:

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous. (Koran 9:123).

"Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him...the true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan. (Koran 4:74-78).

Clearly, one who reads this (and wholeheartedly believes this is the word of God) is not misinterpreting the Koran when he blows up a bus full of American children.

Moreover, what you say about a low crime rate and peace is actually just the opposite. We live in a world where countless people die everyday over religion. People do not get morals from religion, they don't get their values. These alleged holy books harbor some good, but are overridden with violence and bloodshed.

If religion were abolished (as it will have to be if humankind is to survive) there would be far less war, less divisiveness between people, more tolerance and love.

okay you got me on this one about Koran. Still I wouldn't interpret it that way but I understand how easy it is to think it says "it's good to kill other people in the name of God".
That sucks.

But come on, I can bet that statistically if you take an atheist and a religious guy most probably the first one will be more eager to do bad things, brake the law etc.

 

[cS bIsHoP]

Lol? Or lmao?

Dont you see that huuuge lack of logic in your argument? I can prove to you right now that you are wrong: Im an atheist so i dont believe in god. However, surprisingly, i never did any of the things youve mentioned! :amazed:

Plus, did you know? The countries with the lowest crime rates are the most secular countries (i think a scandinavian country was on top of the list).

How do you explain this? Right, not at all.

We are on different pages. Casey Rain was saying how religion is evil and blah blah. I was saying this world wouldn't be any different with atheist at the helm, I was stating those are all things mankind have been doing since the beginning of time, not things justan atheist would do. So shove it, you atheist bastard.

 

[masta247]

Countries that didn't have christianity/islam/judaism had perfectly fine societies. China and the entire eastern nations all based their morals on philosophy, not a higher power.

The morals we have come from our evolutionary roots. To be kind to one another meant a better chance at survival. If you were kind to a person in your tribe, theres a pretty good chance that person will be good to you. Share food with that person, that person might share food with you. As generations passed these morals were ingrained into us, so much so that people think that we get it from somewhere else...

Oh man what about Confucianism or Buddhism? And think about the manslaughter they had before that. They are religions by definition.

 

[roaches]

You won't find anything like that in The Bible though.

bwahhahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[cS bIsHoP]

Countries that didn't have christianity/islam/judaism had perfectly fine societies. China and the entire eastern nations all based their morals on philosophy, not a higher power.

The morals we have come from our evolutionary roots. To be kind to one another meant a better chance at survival. If you were kind to a person in your tribe, theres a pretty good chance that person will be good to you. Share food with that person, that person might share food with you. As generations passed these morals were ingrained into us, so much so that people think that we get it from somewhere else...

Once again misinterpeted. No where was I saying that religion is the source for good moral structure.

 

[masta247]

it would be so funny for someone from the outside to observe 2 extremely different groups of people here.
It's impossible to reach any agreement if there are people with totally different experiences in this matter.

When group 1 thinks about religion their first thoughts are: peace, good, family, being nice, love etc. etc.
While the second group looking at them see hate, evil and everything bad in this world.

 

[Glockmatic]

Oh man what about Confucianism or Buddhism? And think about the manslaughter they had before that. They are religions by definition.

Confucianism does not say "Do this or god will hate you" or "People who don't believe in Confucianism will go to hell and burn...also you have to kill the non believers...with stones...yeah...stones. Throw them." It was written by a man to guide how people should treat one another.

Buddhism wasn't introduced to eastern nations until 120 BC, and even before then there were great civilizations that weren't barbarians who raped and murderer each other.

I'm not saying that they were perfect societies, i'm just saying that there are people who lived their lives without the fear of god who lived quite normally.

But come on, I can bet that statistically if you take an atheist and a religious guy most probably the first one will be more eager to do bad things, brake the law etc.

There are more religious people in jail than atheists.

 

[Glockmatic]

it would be so funny for someone from the outside to observe 2 extremely different groups of people here.
It's impossible to reach any agreement if there are people with totally different experiences in this matter.

When group 1 thinks about religion their first thoughts are: peace, good, family, being nice, love etc. etc.
While the second group looking at them see hate, evil and everything bad in this world.

But the argument is that group 1 doesn't need religion for those things.

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^well obviously since there are more religious people on earth.

even so, id love to know where i can find statistics for that

 

[masta247]

Religion doesn't require a "fear God you fuckers" sentences all over it. It's actually quite stupid and outdated about religions. Buddhism is a beautiful religion supported by a decent moral framework. I only mentioned it to relate to your claims about China though.


I don't think that these guys are really religious. If they were then most of them wouldn't end up in jail for crimes which are most probably considered also as sins.

 

[masta247]

^^well obviously since there are more religious people on earth.

even so, id love to know where i can find statistics for that

Yeah that's why I also wonder why the hell SH is so full of Atheists. Statistically there are only 2.3% atheists on our planet. When you enter Streethop you feel like 70% of people here are atheists.

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^i know lol. they are all here.

 

[Euphanasia]

Yeah that's why I also wonder why the hell SH is so full of Atheists. Statistically there are only 2.3% atheists on our planet. When you enter Streethop you feel like 70% of people here are atheists.

lol i think that it's because there are a lot of so-called "closet atheists," people who might have been raised Catholic or otherwise but really don't believe it. They just don't come out and say it.

In reality, there are a lot more atheists in the world than people think and the numbers are growing.

 

[Jeremy]

You dudes are brainwashed.

 

[Bobby Sands]

lol i think that it's because there are a lot of so-called "closet atheists," people who might have been raised Catholic or otherwise but really don't believe it. They just don't come out and say it.

In reality, there are a lot more atheists in the world than people think and the numbers are growing.

because they read Dawkins right?

 

[Jokerman]

Far from religion supporting morality, let alone being the source of morality, what happens is that our intuitive moral thinking makes some religious concepts easier to acquire, store and communicate to others. Religious concepts are parasitic on, and their transmission is greatly enhanced by, our innate moral capacities.

 

[Glockmatic]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb1501.pdf

It's just for the UK, but the UK has a pretty high percentage of its population that is atheist/non-religious.
National Statistics Online

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^and thats why they have very low morals in that country

*runs*

 

[Glockmatic]

because they read Dawkins right?

Or they use logic and common sense