Heaven DOESNT exist!
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Ok I won't. Hang-on. If I shouldn't do everything you say, because you told me not to. Does that mean I should do everything you say? I am so confused.
A whole different debate. But there were 2 bullets.1 went through his hand, his nutsack and into his groin. The other 2 marks on his head were from the same bullet. Does that really mean he was shot 5 times, or twice? Do Entry and exit wounds both count? I think statistically there are more people that survived being shot twice... But either way it neither proves or disproves the existence of god or religion.
I believe that no-one conclusively knows the truth as many pro-religion have stated. But through rationale thought and the contradictions within religion itself I have decided FOR MYSELF, as each person is entitled to their own faith adn I wouldn't suggest that I am going to tell people what to think, that conventional religion is used for control.
I also can't believe in god or an afterlife. But admit that I would love to. It would give me much comfort from death. But from the advances in Science, and the fact it just seems extremely far fetched to me, I can't. As long as people don't push their beliefs on me though, I won't push mine on them. My mum believes in god and we don't discuss it all day long. lol
SOFI i think we're splitting hairs now, that was just the way I thought you painted it. but in the 'luck I think i put my position with you can technically 'prove' alot of shit from becoming rich to a bus not hitting
i dont have the folder in front of me but there was at least three bullets he was shot in the head at least once, thigh, and hand. the bullet that started in thigh wasnt the same as the bullet that hit his hand. when he fell they shot him in the head
Pittsey i understand your position has been constant in this thread, of what you say is contradiction or hypocrisy in religion but for some reason throughout this thread the line has been blurred between organised religion and faith period. Ive always believed theres people can be non religious but pro faith but even at times post would be against having faith the reasoning would have something to do with religion or the Bible specifically
[quote - VD470]The bible was written by guys who SAY it is the word of god. Archeology books arent written by people who SAY it is their word. It is based on facts and research.[/quote]but like i said regardless of how it was assembled, the accuracy that there is in the history and archeology in the Bible.
i didnt say people don't just believe in theirselves, you were detracting from self reliance in the discussion on faith. so I pointed out they don't have to be seperate.
but I don't think it's about percentages. I doubt some one is like shit ill believe in my self about 75 percent but thats the limit".....
i dont have the folder in front of me but there was at least three bullets he was shot in the head at least once, thigh, and hand. the bullet that started in thigh wasnt the same as the bullet that hit his hand. when he fell they shot him in the head
Pittsey i understand your position has been constant in this thread, of what you say is contradiction or hypocrisy in religion but for some reason throughout this thread the line has been blurred between organised religion and faith period. Ive always believed theres people can be non religious but pro faith but even at times post would be against having faith the reasoning would have something to do with religion or the Bible specifically
[quote - VD470]The bible was written by guys who SAY it is the word of god. Archeology books arent written by people who SAY it is their word. It is based on facts and research.[/quote]but like i said regardless of how it was assembled, the accuracy that there is in the history and archeology in the Bible.
i didnt say people don't just believe in theirselves, you were detracting from self reliance in the discussion on faith. so I pointed out they don't have to be seperate.
but I don't think it's about percentages. I doubt some one is like shit ill believe in my self about 75 percent but thats the limit".....
We are getting off topic. But I believe the gun was pointed at this stomach. He pushed the gun down. It went off. The bullet went through his hand, through his nuts and into his thigh. I may be wrong. But that's how I always understood it happened. The point is mute though. Acts of luck don't prove the existence of a god. If God comes down and says "I exist. Watch as I create a new species" and makes one in front of me. Then I'll believe. Besides that I am pretty much in the no god corner without a chance of swaying.
that's why i put Eve in quotes bro. It was the oldest female bone that was older than what science said the world was older at the time. so science up to that point was wrong. but okay, okay, i get it. ya'll going to gather more data, and improve on what ya'll know.
I knew of God, but never did I get into it. So for you to say I had Faith before it, doesn't correlate to how i actually was...
and how does Science or Logic go against my "random occurnces" ?
Like, where in Science does it say an object can defy gravity by itself?
a broken computer can turn on, coincedentally after i asked God something? okay, maybe that one isn't sciece, but i'm just sayin
I feel i was pushed into Faith, and even then i didn't believe it. I had to go through some more shit that i don't choose to share here, bc it will seem a little more far fetched then what I already put. n frankly, some is more personal than the stories i have shared with yall.
I've taken Psychology in college, and already knew that in High School that IQ tests are basically, what you said. I was more making a mockery of Casey's inability to argue with the "smartest man in the world" because i see it as false logic. It's like an adult saying "im smarter than you, so respect what i say" but then he in the past has said "if the person is wrong, i don't have to agree with him just bc his title" (i paraphrased that, btw).
I watch award shows, mainly for performances. But it's not just from award shows, it's when people speak on it in interviews and such. You are mainly pointing out people that are saying it to be politically correct though.
Why don't you mention more powerful people that don't do bad in the world. I'm not sure about her, bc i don't give a fuck about her, but isn't Oprah religious?
What about Tony Gaskins? I've never seen or heard of him do ANYTHING negative, like 50cent.
Or non-black people. There are plenty of people that are not of african descent that mention God.
No. I'm just saying, he is following the book. Living his life by the words and he's a millionaire. He didn't need no gimicks like most ppl use to become famous or have money. It says in the Bible somewhere that gimicks are works of the "Devil" and that ppl who use that gimmick, falter. I don't see Tupac using a gimmick, and he stayed relevent. He believed in God to an extent, more than any other artist has. (i just mentioned Pac, cuz Jokerman did.) Anyway. He's a motivational speaker, speaking on what the morals in a way you probably didn't think of before because he studied the book. You might say religion is a gimmick, but never do his motivation speeches say "talk about God" or anything. He mainly works with Sport stars and College students to keep them going and reaching their goals. People have had great success with him, and that's why he gets paid mad $ to listen to him speak. I mean, it's like $100 to talk to him for an hour. The man talked to me for free bc he said he felt he needed to and knew what i was going through.
When people of great power talk about Religion and don't do it for attention, they never mention the stories that all you guys get mad about. Okay, blood into wine? That's hype shit to get ya'll to talk about how stupid religion is. Like i said earlier, this came out with the fake rapture. Um...God said there would be fake prophets and no one knew, not his Son, only HIM when the world would end.
Nah, the Millionaire i know mentions the rules and follows them. Never did he mention his religion to me, but the book. Which is what i'm saying. Some of you guys are arguing religion, i'm arguing God. Some of you guys are arguing God, i'm arguing the morals, which none of you guys truly put down, unless it sounds stupid (which i'll get into later).
Some atheist act like they know everything. If they had so much knowledge from Math and Science, then they would follow it and FIND ways to become a millionaire. Oh, money doesn't matter to you? Oh, but if u found a way to become a millionaire, ya'll can improve your "Science THEORIES"
God GUIDES you to become what you want to be. Which everyone wants...Happiness.
Don't get me wrong either. I can be in a relationship with someone who is Atheist. I don't push my beliefs on anyone. Maybe i'm passionate about this because i mean what i say, but i struggled on not saying what I mean.
i think Casey and i would get a long a lot though...
anyway, the rules i follow, are simply "Basic Moral Values". -Casey
I use God's perspective on WHY i should or shouldn't do it, and that's what helps me improve n help me find my "Faith". to me, he's like the ultimate parent. Since i've followed his rules, i doubled my money, and improved on my new goal, by FAR. If i used my real parents or societys, or even ya'll that dont see nothing wrong with that, then i think i probably would fail or not be the best i could be.
Like i said earlier. As stupid as it sounds for "masterbating to porn" as a sin. It does make sense to avoid adultery if you want to be happy. You will appreciate your girl/guy more because you will fiend them. Then he says another one, don't put anyone above him. Which, really means, watch what you're doing, or your love for others will destroy you, them (the relationship). Which, makes sense too. It's really about Balance. That's the main thing God (or man made written work) is teaching, imo.
I live by the words. If my girl wanna watch porn together tho, i'm down. bc if we are together, i know im going to be with her.
I'm currently working on not bragging about things I have. I'm killing my Pride, and working on patience.
I knew of God, but never did I get into it. So for you to say I had Faith before it, doesn't correlate to how i actually was...
and how does Science or Logic go against my "random occurnces" ?
Like, where in Science does it say an object can defy gravity by itself?
a broken computer can turn on, coincedentally after i asked God something? okay, maybe that one isn't sciece, but i'm just sayin
I feel i was pushed into Faith, and even then i didn't believe it. I had to go through some more shit that i don't choose to share here, bc it will seem a little more far fetched then what I already put. n frankly, some is more personal than the stories i have shared with yall.
I've taken Psychology in college, and already knew that in High School that IQ tests are basically, what you said. I was more making a mockery of Casey's inability to argue with the "smartest man in the world" because i see it as false logic. It's like an adult saying "im smarter than you, so respect what i say" but then he in the past has said "if the person is wrong, i don't have to agree with him just bc his title" (i paraphrased that, btw).
I watch award shows, mainly for performances. But it's not just from award shows, it's when people speak on it in interviews and such. You are mainly pointing out people that are saying it to be politically correct though.
Why don't you mention more powerful people that don't do bad in the world. I'm not sure about her, bc i don't give a fuck about her, but isn't Oprah religious?
What about Tony Gaskins? I've never seen or heard of him do ANYTHING negative, like 50cent.
Or non-black people. There are plenty of people that are not of african descent that mention God.
No. I'm just saying, he is following the book. Living his life by the words and he's a millionaire. He didn't need no gimicks like most ppl use to become famous or have money. It says in the Bible somewhere that gimicks are works of the "Devil" and that ppl who use that gimmick, falter. I don't see Tupac using a gimmick, and he stayed relevent. He believed in God to an extent, more than any other artist has. (i just mentioned Pac, cuz Jokerman did.) Anyway. He's a motivational speaker, speaking on what the morals in a way you probably didn't think of before because he studied the book. You might say religion is a gimmick, but never do his motivation speeches say "talk about God" or anything. He mainly works with Sport stars and College students to keep them going and reaching their goals. People have had great success with him, and that's why he gets paid mad $ to listen to him speak. I mean, it's like $100 to talk to him for an hour. The man talked to me for free bc he said he felt he needed to and knew what i was going through.
When people of great power talk about Religion and don't do it for attention, they never mention the stories that all you guys get mad about. Okay, blood into wine? That's hype shit to get ya'll to talk about how stupid religion is. Like i said earlier, this came out with the fake rapture. Um...God said there would be fake prophets and no one knew, not his Son, only HIM when the world would end.
Nah, the Millionaire i know mentions the rules and follows them. Never did he mention his religion to me, but the book. Which is what i'm saying. Some of you guys are arguing religion, i'm arguing God. Some of you guys are arguing God, i'm arguing the morals, which none of you guys truly put down, unless it sounds stupid (which i'll get into later).
Some atheist act like they know everything. If they had so much knowledge from Math and Science, then they would follow it and FIND ways to become a millionaire. Oh, money doesn't matter to you? Oh, but if u found a way to become a millionaire, ya'll can improve your "Science THEORIES"
God GUIDES you to become what you want to be. Which everyone wants...Happiness.
Don't get me wrong either. I can be in a relationship with someone who is Atheist. I don't push my beliefs on anyone. Maybe i'm passionate about this because i mean what i say, but i struggled on not saying what I mean.
i think Casey and i would get a long a lot though...
anyway, the rules i follow, are simply "Basic Moral Values". -Casey
I use God's perspective on WHY i should or shouldn't do it, and that's what helps me improve n help me find my "Faith". to me, he's like the ultimate parent. Since i've followed his rules, i doubled my money, and improved on my new goal, by FAR. If i used my real parents or societys, or even ya'll that dont see nothing wrong with that, then i think i probably would fail or not be the best i could be.
Like i said earlier. As stupid as it sounds for "masterbating to porn" as a sin. It does make sense to avoid adultery if you want to be happy. You will appreciate your girl/guy more because you will fiend them. Then he says another one, don't put anyone above him. Which, really means, watch what you're doing, or your love for others will destroy you, them (the relationship). Which, makes sense too. It's really about Balance. That's the main thing God (or man made written work) is teaching, imo.
I live by the words. If my girl wanna watch porn together tho, i'm down. bc if we are together, i know im going to be with her.
I'm currently working on not bragging about things I have. I'm killing my Pride, and working on patience.
Of course there are. I was just making a joke, showing the extent that some people go to fool themselves or give lip service this way.
And you don't really need that much knowledge to become a millionaire. In fact, intellectual knowledge is usually a detriment to making money. Not many rich poets or philosophers. No, connections and a good personality are usually some of the needed qualities to make a lot of money. Also, greed. Sometimes talent and drive, of course.
And you don't really need that much knowledge to become a millionaire. In fact, intellectual knowledge is usually a detriment to making money. Not many rich poets or philosophers. No, connections and a good personality are usually some of the needed qualities to make a lot of money. Also, greed. Sometimes talent and drive, of course.
Weird that you are mentioning intellectual knowledge along with poets or philosophers as an example. That would be a good example of people who are a bit out of this world, but not intellectual knowledge because little of them have it (or they have covered irrelevant areas thus they don't know what they should know to make money). Either you are using a bad example or you have a misconception about intellectual knowledge, or making money. In fact real intellectual knowledge would be on the list of things contributing to making money. It's absolutely in no way a detriment (unless we're talking about very specific situations). However that alone will not be enough, yes. You can make money while being a dummy too but that's because other factors came into play.
Actually your post sounded a bit like it was written by a man who was a bit disappointed with his experiences with the labor market
Actually your post sounded a bit like it was written by a man who was a bit disappointed with his experiences with the labor market
I wasn't using "intellectual" in the general sense of someone who uses thought and reason, or business/economic knowledge, but in the sense of academics or people highly educated in the Humanities. This includes literary critics, historians, social critics, art critics, and esp. philosophers. These are all intellectuals. An old term was "men of letters."
Maybe I was stretching it for most poets today, but the best ones know their literature and are definitely men and women of letters. Worthless in the market place, for the most part.
Disappointed with my experiences in the labor market? I have no experience in the labor market nor wish any. I'm not a laborer. I live a life of the mind. I would be shot during the revolution.
Maybe I was stretching it for most poets today, but the best ones know their literature and are definitely men and women of letters. Worthless in the market place, for the most part.
Disappointed with my experiences in the labor market? I have no experience in the labor market nor wish any. I'm not a laborer. I live a life of the mind. I would be shot during the revolution.
'Then Yeshua said to his talmidim, "Yes. I tell you that it will be very hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Furthermore, I tell you that it is easier for a camel to pass through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God." Matthew 19:23-24
Has he studied the book well enough?
Has he studied the book well enough?
My words are immediately following yours. I don't see any correlation between the words you posted and what chronic posted. Yours didn't back-up any point, his did. Or maybe they did, just not in the way you expected.
I think, for my sanity, I am going to have to set you to ignore. I can no longer read any of your posts. I am sure you feel the same and hope you will put me on ignore too.
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