Do You Believe in Ghosts?

[Euphanasia]

I'm practical. I don't feed into a lot of shit that isn't backed up by some kind of evidence. If you don't use the tools you have (knowledge, reason, insight, your senses) to make decisions and build your ideologies then you're basically opening yourself up to believing and/or endorsing ridiculous notions and ideas. People have vivid imaginations. They like to invent and perpetuate supernatural ideas because it's fun and mysterious. Talk about UFO's, ghosts, life after death, what have you. I don't believe in these things. Now, that's not to say they can't exist but it is to say that there's not enough evidence to form a solid opinion that they do, in fact, exist.

I was reading this article in my local newspaper recently and they were interviewing this philosopher-type about shit and he was saying how he was dedicating his life to destroying the credibility of these "posers' who were saying they could predict the future and communicate with the dead. Like all of these ludicrous tv shows you see where the hosts allege that they can "communicate with the other side." Basically, a bunch of bullshit that they are conning people to believe in because many of us are searching for hope in our lives and we often feel we need to believe in something bigger than us; something vast and beyond our wildest imaginations. These people take advantage of that urge. So I was basically talking to two other co-workers about the article and saying how I thought it was great that this guy was exposing these "phonies."

This one girl tried telling me that ghosts are real and that she once had "a conversation with two people who were never there"

LOL she's like what do you think about that?

I said "I think you're a loony tune"

What do you guys think about this kind of thing?

 

[keco52]

I was with my friend a couple of years ago and her cell phone beeped and she had a voicemail but the phone never rang. She listened to it and it was her mom saying "I love you" It was really raspy and soft because her mom had lung cancer and she could barely talk.

So my friend called the hospital where her mom was and they told her that her mom had died 4 hours before.

It was kind of wierd...you think maybe her mom knew she was dying and left a voicemail before she passed and it took really long to go through to her phone OR she left it after. Still gives me chill bumps.

My mom used to tell me stories all the time about when she lived with her dad and the house was haunted by her grandpa. He died in the house. She said it was after school one day and the phone rang and asked for her dad (my grandpa) and she said "Can I ask who is calling please?" and the person on the other end said "It's his god damn dad" but when he came to the phone the other person had already hung up.

Weird stuff

 

[DarkPhantom13]

Me personally i have had alot of weird experiences with wat you would call "ghostly encounters" but im still like watever about it. Most of the time really it's just peoples minds playing tricks on them. Mind you i have had a few that i cannot explain but i still have doubts about everything. Like PurelyPac said, it's just that people wanna believe that there's something else after you die, an afterlife. But believing in ghost is small compared to people who prey on people's beliefs; ei John Edwards and that other old fart on the Sci Fi channel. Those muthafuckaz really piss me off because they use the memories of lost loved ones to make money and make people believe that they are truly talking to the dead when in reality they are not and are just exploiting the dead loved ones of a person.

 

[PuffnScruff]

watch out tru principal is going to come in here and tell anyone that believes in this they are stupid because there is no scientific evidence ghost or spirits are real

when i was younger i had some experiences. when my parents where in the military they had to be at work early, before school started, so i would have to go to a babysitter. my babysitter did this for a living and took care of many kids all day. anyways i was always the first kid there in mornings at the ass crack of 6:30am. one particular day i got there in the morning and i was sitting at her kitchen table with her just talking. her son was in there too along with the dog by her feet. all of the suden we heard what sounded like a little child run across the hardware floor in other room. it was clear as day, no mistaking that it was the sound of little footsteps running quickly. but there was nobody else in the house but us.

another time a bunch of us where watching t.v. and we started hearing a baby crying. not that uncommon sense she watched babies too. but she didn't have any babies in the house that. so when she went back to her son's room to see if he left his t.v., which he didn't, the crying stopped. then when she came back it started up a min later. lasted about 15 mins. weird stuff. she had told me of other strange stuff that had happend to them in that house years before i started going there.

 

[Glockmatic]

I use to hear people downstairs while I was trying to sleep

I use to hear people turning the knob of my front door while I was trying to sleep

I use to hear stuff breaking downstairs.

Then I realized that it was either my furnace making those noises, my air conditioner or just the creaking of my house making the noises that I was afraid of (people breaking into the house). It's built in us to quickly pin something unexplained into the paranormal, its easier than looking into it

 

[_carmi]

i used to believe it. i know my mother and grandmother believe it a lot. i don't know. i just can't believe it anymore. dunno why.

 

[Rahim]

ghosts are lost souls that are just roaming around.....i think its really true what they say about ghosts in the movies...that..they havent left because they have some unfinished business.....and i think it also could be that the people that committed suicide havent left either..until it really is their time to go..so thats why they are still roaming around...

or another example would be...someone tried to kill a family in a fire....the house burned down and the whole family died...with their bodies turned to ashes...and inspite of that the house is "haunted" and the families presence is still there........

i believe in ghosts tho....i believe in everything i think.....ghosts and things have a lot to do with religion...in a way that....these "ghosts" used to be people....and people have souls....so those has to do a lot with the spiritual life......

 

[S. Fourteen]

they told her that her mom had died 4 hours before.

this happens with dead pets as well.

 

[Preach]

i once saw a show where a man was strapped in a chair and and exposed to an electromagnetic field.

it's funny because from all those shows i've seen, the way he described the feeling sounded a lot like those feelings psychich and telepathic people get when they walk around in haunted houses. they'll stop in certain places and be like "okay this place right here has lots of energy" lol.

electromagnetism > ghosts. to me at least.

 

[Mr.Deuce]

i love ghost-stories.

 

[Preach]

It's built in us to quickly pin something unexplained into the paranormal, its easier than looking into it

Actually, the real problem is that such a substantial amount of data is processed for every action we take and every thought we form, that in time we sub-consciously learn to do what flows better and takes less energy. when someone says something, instead of really decipering what they are saying and looking at it from three angles, "yes, maybe, no", your brain automatically leans toward either side. we call them impulses. after ten years, it's become habitual, like you said. which is why kids will often say things that grown-ups find outragous - they have had less time to develop strains on their senses and thoughts.

We don't notice it but we turn down a lot of information due to letting the senses and thoughts live lives of their own, lol, and we make a lot of assumptions without even realizing it. I am never gonna believe someone who says they saw a ghost. I mean if you track history far enough I'm sure ghosts were stupid ideas that arose somewhere and stuck with us, not because they were actually there, but because some fuck just thought them up. Then, whenever we are affected by an energy that our senses are not designed to pick up (we see light, we hear noise waves, we feel heat, but do not see, hear nor really feel electromagnetism), we like to think that it's one socially constructed magic trick related to our experience. Our mind is pre-programmed to do whatever's easiest for us, and it's easier for us to dream about a ghost than to come to terms with the fact that they don't exist. there is no way to know for sure, but as far as i am concerned, ghosts do not exist until someone provide substantial proof that suggests otherwise.

 

[Jocka]

I believe in ghosts to an extent. I don't believe it's like Ghostbusters type shit or all those stupid ass movies. A ghost isn't going to call everybody that comes in their houseor make a fucking tape from a well.

As a non-religious man it's hard to give a reason why i believe in ghosts. If I were religious I'd blame it on the souls of the dead that haven't yet found their path to heaven or hell - blah blah blah blah blah. As a non religious man I pose that it could be anything from a persons "energy" being passed from their body as they die that never goes away (Basically the soul theory) or I CAN believe it's electromagnetic fields or whatever but with the same stance as everyone else. I can't make a rational decision without proof.

I have more proof on the ghost end from experience. I've seen and heard things that just aren't right. At times I've even done things that isn't me. I really just don't feel like typing out the experiences. It'd be like the 25th time I've typed it out on this very board. The point is that I can't deny that ghosts exist but I can't X out the possibility that it's all completely scientific either. I'm hanging in the middle

 

[Euphanasia]

ghosts are lost souls that are just roaming around.....i think its really true what they say about ghosts in the movies...that..they havent left because they have some unfinished business.....and i think it also could be that the people that committed suicide havent left either..until it really is their time to go..so thats why they are still roaming around...

or another example would be...someone tried to kill a family in a fire....the house burned down and the whole family died...with their bodies turned to ashes...and inspite of that the house is "haunted" and the families presence is still there........

i believe in ghosts tho....i believe in everything i think.....ghosts and things have a lot to do with religion...in a way that....these "ghosts" used to be people....and people have souls....so those has to do a lot with the spiritual life......

Rahim, I think you're the man. You have great posts and I usually agree with what you have to say. Having said that, I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Actually, the real problem is that such a substantial amount of data is processed for every action we take and every thought we form, that in time we sub-consciously learn to do what flows better and takes less energy. when someone says something, instead of really decipering what they are saying and looking at it from three angles, "yes, maybe, no", your brain automatically leans toward either side. we call them impulses. after ten years, it's become habitual, like you said. which is why kids will often say things that grown-ups find outragous - they have had less time to develop strains on their senses and thoughts.

We don't notice it but we turn down a lot of information due to letting the senses and thoughts live lives of their own, lol, and we make a lot of assumptions without even realizing it. I am never gonna believe someone who says they saw a ghost. I mean if you track history far enough I'm sure ghosts were stupid ideas that arose somewhere and stuck with us, not because they were actually there, but because some fuck just thought them up. Then, whenever we are affected by an energy that our senses are not designed to pick up (we see light, we hear noise waves, we feel heat, but do not see, hear nor really feel electromagnetism), we like to think that it's one socially constructed magic trick related to our experience. Our mind is pre-programmed to do whatever's easiest for us, and it's easier for us to dream about a ghost than to come to terms with the fact that they don't exist. there is no way to know for sure, but as far as i am concerned, ghosts do not exist until someone provide substantial proof that suggests otherwise.

Exactly. This has been one of your better posts lately, Preach.

 

[Rahim]

Rahim, I think you're the man. You have great posts and I usually agree with what you have to say. Having said that, I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.



Exactly. This has been one of your better posts lately, Preach.

lol what can i say....hehe

 

[Tru Principle]

watch out tru principal is going to come in here and tell anyone that believes in this they are stupid because there is no scientific evidence ghost or spirits are real

It is, by definition, irrational to accept a claim as true or most probably true when no evidence or good reason exists.

Not only are supernatural claims without evidence, they are in a lot of cases refuted by evidence that contradicts their claims.

Accept what you will accept as true, but ghosts, demons, angels, are indeed figments of your imagination.

Now, I don't believe the phenomenon of ghosts is not real I just don't believe ghosts are behind it.

 

[Tru Principle]

Oh and by the way, I understand that like our ancestors, when we can't explain something we quickly create a supernatural being or entity to explain the unexplainable.

Cognitive science has done a superb job at revealing just how our brain works.

If you believe drugs and certain psychiatric disorders can make you think that Elvis is chatting it up with you then why not believe it's at least possible that in other circumstances, your brain is responsible for these illusions.

But you say, "No,no I know what I saw."

That's what people with psychiatric disorders say too.

 

[Tha_Wood]

one night i came home drunk and i thought a ghost fucking around with me, like turning my light back on and shit. turns out i was just off my chops.

and to answer the question, yes i believe

 

[stefanwzyga]

I dont belive in ghosts at all. I belive people's nerves get the better of them.

 

[Tru Principle]

very board. The point is that I can't deny that ghosts exist

There's a lot of things you cannot disprove. Little teapots orbiting the Sun, invisible aliens around us all the time, little green men that live billions of light years away.

Being agnostic is almost always the first thing you do when faced with an untested claim.

But surely, just because you cannot disprove these things doesn't mean you actually should take them seriously.

 

[Jocka]

But surely, just because you cannot disprove these things doesn't mean you actually should take them seriously.

Well proving and disproving only gives me the truth. I've seen evidence on both sides myself. Of course like all of us I've saw scientists and whoever blow some of the 'haunted house' stories to threads but I've also been part of ghost-like activities. It COULD have been energy or whatever. Maybe I enhaled something (numerous times) that caused me to see, hear, feel things that weren't there. I can't prove that this didn't happen either.

For the moment I believe in ghosts only because of experience. Not because ghost stories or movies or some shit I saw on tv.

I'm sure you see believers as ignorant because they automatically lean toward the notion that this could be true. But it's a little stupid to see us ignorant for the same thing you've done. Leaning toward the "not real" side and sticking to it. I'm in the middle. Only because I believe science can provide answers. They may not provide them now and I may never know in my lifetime but they will get the answer and all of our ignorance (mine and yours) will be gone. Oh happy day :thumb: