Any of you rappers pen down concepts?

[7 Syns]

I've heard alot of ish that more or less everyone who spits on here has dropped over the last 5 or so years.

I've heard people emulate others, try different ways of rhyming ish (diff. deliveries & flows etc) but rarely have I heard any one pen down a concept of some sort. I remember Sarr of all people drop a song where Comic book characters play some sort of role in his everyday life, I remember thinking it was a pretty dope idea but Sarr didn't do much justice to it.

I know there's dude here who rhyme about the usual things. Money, what you got/have, some random punchlines and maybe a dedication or two. But yeah. I guess Im asking in this thread who has actually sat down and thought to themselves "damn im'a make a song like this with this concept etc".

Or do people tend not to do 'em thinking it might go over most peeps heads?

peac3.

 

[Rukas]

I have, I think most people have or do, but you wont see them on here.

See, in my opinion, I can only do a concept track once, and for that reason I want to make it count. So the concept like material is saved for the retail releases, where as the stuff you can do over and over and over again, ego rap as I call it, gets rehashed on myspace and mixtape tracks for hype.

Although, even if you look at my I Get Money remix, it has a concept, even though it's a simple one. I rap about how I get money, it is very diluted yes, but there is a concept there, which I thought 50 Cent totally missed on his version. "I Get Money," no 50, you HAVE money. It had the potential to be such a grimy How To Rob-esque 50 Cent track and he failed on that. So I kind of went with that concept, but once again, I wouldnt really drop any gems on Myspace or even a mixtape so it's not all the way there if you get what I mean.


I have three really dope concept tracks out of a total of 7 that have made the album so far, that are finished and Im really happy with them. One is a possible single, it's a clubby song, but has a concept, albiet a party related one.

Good thread.

 

[Bigg Limn]

Kinda confused...cuz whatchu mean by concept tracks..like a certain sitiation that U stick 2 thru the whole song..cuz really that should be all ya tracks. Or U talkin bout some shit kinda like a story - where U immerse yoself fully and R really tellin the shit from first-hand?

 

[Preach]

i can only speak on beats.

but yes. i actually love to make conceptual stuff. i just normally come to a point where it stagnates and i no longer know what to do next.

 

[Rukas]

Kinda confused...cuz whatchu mean by concept tracks..like a certain sitiation that U stick 2 thru the whole song..cuz really that should be all ya tracks. Or U talkin bout some shit kinda like a story - where U immerse yoself fully and R really tellin the shit from first-hand?

I think he means songs like Me And My Girlfriend, that has a concept of being about a girl but its really about a gun.

Or even something like 21 Questions has a question concept through it.

Pretty much anything that has a concept and isnt just a bullshit flossing mixtape verse, but I think he fails to realize that even that in itself is a concept.

 

[Preach]

what rukas said, but furthermore. examples of conceptual songs:

- me and my girlfriend (like rukas mentioned)
- most songs where tupac used two aliases, his regular self and the "soulja".
- jakki the motamouth - abduction (this song is from a storytelling album though, but the concept of the song is still dope. jakki has been abducted by aliens and is freestyling one of them in their spaceship. they both have crowds that you can hear in the background and every time one of them pulls a punchline you hear their respective crowd cheering and going "ooowwwwww!!" the alien also has a different voice but i think it's just jakki rapping with a bunch of filters over it)
- edo.g. & pete rock - wishing (this song is about black people wishing for equality, not only as in having the same legal rights but as in receiving the same treatment from whites)

doesn't really have to do about your song staying on one topic, regardless of who the rapper is i swear in EVERY rapper's verse i can hear something that doesn't really have anything to do with the title or theme of the song. you are building a rhyme as well. if rappers could type their lyrics out as essays it would be a different world but they can't, so any one rapper who claims to always stay on topic is a liar.

conclusion: i think he means songs where you had an idea and formed the song from that idea for real, not thinking "Hey it would be cool to do a song about 9/11" and then talking about osama and terrorists and the war in iraq in the song. that's straying far off topic if you ask me. he means songs where the beat, the lyrics, the topic, the theme, the mood, even the damn cover for the single if it came to that all have a set theme. i also think he's asking if you ever sat down and planned this shit beforehand and then did it.

as opposed to making/finding a fairly cool beat, writing a fairly cool verse that could fit the beat, and calling it done.

 

[scintilla]

There are rappers out there that put concepts into their songs man... murs, masta ace, aesop rock.
A rapper would also have to produce the song if it were to be completely to do with his lyrics, and even that would be extremely hard to accomplish. how do you make a beat that tells you something.

 

[scintilla]

Oh yea listen to
No Regrets by Aesop Rock if you wanna hear a real concept song.

 

[Pain Of Depth]

or Spice One's - 187 Proof
Slick Rick's - Mona Lisa

 

[Preach]

or the whole danger doom album. or any of doom's albums for that matter.