Rukas exposed; beef related.

[Chronic]

First of all, why are you in this thread Sebastian? You're not adding to the discussion, unless you consider being a lapdog to someone elses opinion a worthy addition to a thread. In fact I can't recall you ever saying anything remotely interesting or intelligent in a thread that requires actual discussion.
You're like a politician, you're trying to discredit the messenger, instead of the message so you can pretend like you're right.

Moving on...
I'm not going to bother to reply in detail but I'll repeat what I've said before. My problem is with people who try to find bullshit excuses to justify eating meat. If someone thinks it's wrong to eat meat but they still continue to because a one-man crusade won't help, I absolutely don't blame them. Right now becoming a vegetarian is a personal choice (although you can say change starts with yourself).
Now if the meat industry said they'd stop providing meat if the majority of people say they want it gone, then I'd be ready to kill people if they declined.

Apply this to pollution. Although I'd call you retarded if you compare the hassle of not eating meat to not having transport (which in this modern world would probably mean you can't handle getting to and from work, which would probably mean you die).

"We can't fully exceed so we won't try" is also a great argument. Kudos. It's a great mentality that helps everyone around you.

 

[Chronic]

Unfortunately, most people do not feel connected to their extended reality. That’s why a bomb maker doesn’t think about where the bomb is going to be used. I couldn’t work in a factory where I knew that something was being made that could destroy someone. I have to live by universal truths, and my reality honors all life, within reason. So just because I can’t stop engaging in everything that might be connected to the harm of some person or animal, is not reason to not do anything. There’s no true perfection; there’s only an ideal. You can make this world a better place if you choose because you are an essential ingredient in society.

Very well put. Especially the part in bold.

I try to live my life the way I think it should be. I can't always do this but I try.

 

[keco52]

First of all, why are you in this thread

 

[Glockmatic]

1. I bought an apartment in a complex that uses it's own eco-friendly generators. So ha to you.

What do they use? Batteries? Wind? Solar?

2. When we tour, the promoters hire the transport, not us. So we're not directly contributing to that. You lose again.

wtf? So your hands are clean because you have someone else doing the dirty work? Come on now

3. I don't use oil-based creams. I don't use rubber. I don't wear nylon products and as for plastic - you are really reaching hard with that one.

How is plastic "reaching hard"? You DO know that plastics are oil products right?

What next, I'm killing animals from drinking water because they could have drank that water and they instead died of thirst? Please.

It's as absurd as your arguments

Yes, but I don't pay for the airplane.

And we don't pay the slaughterhouse.

 

[Devious]

see, this is what i never get about this issue. why is it that people can't just eat meat or eat vegetables and let others make their own decisions? there are a few in here that have made their points about where they stand on this issue without the preachy, holier than thou attitude. but then you get people like Casey. why do you have to go on a crusade about this every time the topic is brought up? have you ever heard the term live and let live? if you don't eat meat, fine, great for you. you have made the right decision for yourself. but don't get all superior because you choose to do something that many others do not. the fact that you are a vegetarian does not make you a better person than someone who chooses to eat meat, and all your preaching about it does nothing but make you look like an arrogant jerk who thinks he's better than most people. you are no better than anyone else in this thread, so you can drop the holier than thou attitude. if you want to make an argument for your point go ahead, but there is no need to insult people or feel superior because you think differently than they do.

and this goes for the meat eaters too. people make their own choices and we should allow them to do so. no one is better or worse than anyone else based on what they eat.

 

[Sebastian]

^
Who are you, God? Get out off here with your " we are all equal" bullshit.

 

[Devious]

^
Who are you, God? Get out off here with your " we are all equal" bullshit.

first of all i do believe all humans were created equally. secondly, i didn't even say that in my last post. i said what you choose to eat doesn't make you any better than anyone else. and it doesn't. if you feel superior to someone else because you are a vegetarian and the other is not, then you have some problems.

 

[Chronic]

Devious don't bother with Sebastian. He's only good for entertaining us in Do For Love.

see, this is what i never get about this issue. why is it that people can't just eat meat or eat vegetables and let others make their own decisions?

I'd agree with you here on most subjects but not this. To use an example...
I think a religious person fighting to eradicate homosexuality is retarded. Two consensual adults having sex don't harm anyone, except for perhaps themselves if they get sent to Hell. But a religious person fighting to eradicate abortions? That's about violating a baby's life and I'll listen to whatever they have to say.

I can even argue on a purely selfish basis that the treatment of animals has an adverse effect on me. I'd like to see a gorilla in the wild one day but that won't be possible if they're extinct. They're taking away things from my world as well. They're ruining my experience of life (since animal suffering does affect me on an emotional level).

 

[Jokerman]

Devious is right and so is Chronic. We should try to bring about change in others, but by setting an example and discussing our choices with those who ask, not by preaching and acting holier-than-thou.

 

[Cooper]

2. When we tour, the promoters hire the transport, not us. So we're not directly contributing to that. You lose again.

I don't kill the animals I eat? Shit, I don't even pay for the meat...but that doesn't make it right.

 

[Devious]

but there is a difference in listening to someone else's beliefs and understanding them, and preaching to them that what they are doing is wrong. for the abortion example, i would also listen to what that person had to say. but if that person started preaching about how all non-religious people are going to hell for allowing the practice to continue, i tune them out. if you want to get people on your side and and get them to believe in your cause, belittling and insulting them on their choices isn't going to work. this is what i'm talking about. Casey has this idea that he is somehow superior to people who eat meat, and feels he has the right to insult anyone who doesn't see things his way. trust me, i've had debates with him on this topic before. if he sees you aren't on his side, he'll insult and belittle your beliefs in order to make himself seem superior. and if you make an educated effort to show your point and prove him wrong on something he said, he'll just change the argument after he insults you.

now i can respect your viewpoint Chronic, because you come respectably and debate the facts intelligently. Casey's whole argument is, "since I'm a vegetarian, i know I'm better than people who eat meat, so therefore i'm right and they are wrong." i say bullshit. if i choose to eat meat, that doesn't make me a better or worse person tan someone who is a vegetarian. and vice versa.

plus anyone can see Casey's examples border on ludicrous. you don't choose the buses, your promoters do. well if you felt strongly enough about it, you can refuse to use the buses provided for you and tell your promoters/manager that from now on, you want him to use only buses that use bio-diesel (not a perfect solution, but far better for the environment than regular oil). the fact that you do nothing about this and just take what's provided to you without question shows that you only use these arguments about how meat eaters are destroying the environment when it suits you. that, my friend, makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Sebastian]

Yeah guys, go and make a change. I will see how it works. Lets make a difference.

 

[Casey]

You are a joke Milli. And so is the the whole "dont eat meat and you safe animals" thing, when you do all the other stuff which contributes to the killing of animals.

I'd still rather be me than you, I get paid to do what I love and tour the world, what do you do besides sit in your anally-clean flat and get dumped?

First of all, why are you in this thread Sebastian? You're not adding to the discussion, unless you consider being a lapdog to someone elses opinion a worthy addition to a thread. In fact I can't recall you ever saying anything remotely interesting or intelligent in a thread that requires actual discussion.
You're like a politician, you're trying to discredit the messenger, instead of the message so you can pretend like you're right.

P.W.N.E.D

 

[dillaxx]

well, in all respect to milli, i cant live without meat... i mean as a hindu we're not even supposed to eat meat, but for some reason there's something my parents told me about not eating meat on Mondays because it's a day in honor of a god... but some people dont eat meat on tuesdays... whatever the case, i cant make it through a day without eating meat... it's not like i purposely eat meat, i just forget about the day and just get a pizza and then as im eating it i remember i wasnt supposed to eat meat...

it's just such a part of my routine i cant stop.. i know it's bad, but i still dont plan on stopping.... it's just too hard..

this kinda reminds me of that south park episode about the hybrids... remember the ending??? maybe you should just be like that and not try to change people just let them do it themselves... "smug"...ahaha

 

[stefanwzyga]

I'd still rather be me than you, I get paid to do what I love and tour the world, what do you do besides sit in your anally-clean flat and get dumped?

What a very childish and boastfull comment.

 

[Sebastian]

Its Milli, i forgive him. He needs to grow up...give him some time.

I even think he neg repped me for a comment.

 

[S O F I]

well, in all respect to milli, i cant live without meat... i mean as a hindu we're not even supposed to eat meat, but for some reason there's something my parents told me about not eating meat on Mondays because it's a day in honor of a god... but some people dont eat meat on tuesdays... whatever the case, i cant make it through a day without eating meat... it's not like i purposely eat meat, i just forget about the day and just get a pizza and then as im eating it i remember i wasnt supposed to eat meat...

it's just such a part of my routine i cant stop.. i know it's bad, but i still dont plan on stopping.... it's just too hard..

this kinda reminds me of that south park episode about the hybrids... remember the ending??? maybe you should just be like that and not try to change people just let them do it themselves... "smug"...ahaha

Ever heard of appetite-suppressants? Your doctor won't prescribe it to you but Meth is an excellent one.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

What a very childish and boastfull comment.

Yeah I'd love to know how many times he's said that, its getting annoying.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

What a very childish and boastfull comment.

Indeed. Rather disgusting comment actually. If there was a Shaking my head smiley I would use that with force.

 

[Flipmo]

I'd still rather be me than you, I get paid to do what I love and tour the world, what do you do besides sit in your anally-clean flat and get dumped?

A bit cruel, no?