Government to beat obesity epidemic by PAYING fat people to lose weight
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as for chronic/synful and your argument. i'm sorta leaning towards what synful is saying lol. organic/healthy food IS more expensive. the problem is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. if we're gonna live in this society where we work to pay taxes and live hectic lives, we can't make the ingredients ourselves. i can't afford all the healthy food i'd need to eat good over a month and also pay all the other shit that i feel is vital to my happiness. for example, gas for the car so i can drive and not walk several miles which again would shorten the time i have during a day. coupled with work and other chores i'd have to sacrifice my spare time. this would put a strain on my emotions.
in the end, we need to blow up everything man-made and move into the woods. but no one is gonna do that so we're stuck here with every and any solution to any problem just causing another problem that we'll have to deal with later. and i believe everything comes down to the fact that the human race instinctively tries to control everything around them. so people and things are put in booths. if i keep going with this line of thoughts i'll come to the point where i start talking about world economy. just because england owns more gold than ethiopia, should a piece of bread in ethiopia be that much more expensive and hard to get? it doesn't make sense to have a world economy. i say go back to the old trading rules where you fish for offers and sell to the highest bidder.
humans have a billion restrictions on their lives due to laws, regulations, laws of physics, what-have-you, and within all those restrictions people live under the illusion that they have an equal amount of rights that they some times just demand for the sake of principle. all these illusionary thoughts take up a lot of every single western citizen's life. shit like worrying about what your rights are when someone offends you in public. instead of being a fucking man and moving past it, some people will sue because they have the right to not be embarassed in public. wtf? if one lion embarasses another lion, the other lion attacks the first one. whoever wins wins, the other one shuts the fuck up. this is how humans would do too before we got "laws" and religion. i'm not saying we should go back to that, but i'm saying that no matter how we choose to live, human life as it exists today is not natural. within those boundaries, we (the people, the government, the authority, whoever) try our best to cope.
maybe then it's fair to say that people don't have an excuse. if i just lost a loved one im not gonna give a fuck about my weight until i get past it. everybody has problems, be it having lost a loved one or being fucking miserable with work or being scared you'll end up alone. when you have a problem that is that imminent, you're not gonna give a shit about your weight. so people go "lazy fucks" and it's wrong. it's so easy for anybody to judge.
as for chronic/synful and your argument. i'm sorta leaning towards what synful is saying lol. organic/healthy food IS more expensive. the problem is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. if we're gonna live in this society where we work to pay taxes and live hectic lives, we can't make the ingredients ourselves. i can't afford all the healthy food i'd need to eat good over a month and also pay all the other shit that i feel is vital to my happiness. for example, gas for the car so i can drive and not walk several miles which again would shorten the time i have during a day. coupled with work and other chores i'd have to sacrifice my spare time. this would put a strain on my emotions.
in the end, we need to blow up everything man-made and move into the woods. but no one is gonna do that so we're stuck here with every and any solution to any problem just causing another problem that we'll have to deal with later. and i believe everything comes down to the fact that the human race instinctively tries to control everything around them. so people and things are put in booths. if i keep going with this line of thoughts i'll come to the point where i start talking about world economy. just because england owns more gold than ethiopia, should a piece of bread in ethiopia be that much more expensive and hard to get? it doesn't make sense to have a world economy. i say go back to the old trading rules where you fish for offers and sell to the highest bidder.
humans have a billion restrictions on their lives due to laws, regulations, laws of physics, what-have-you, and within all those restrictions people live under the illusion that they have an equal amount of rights that they some times just demand for the sake of principle. all these illusionary thoughts take up a lot of every single western citizen's life. shit like worrying about what your rights are when someone offends you in public. instead of being a fucking man and moving past it, some people will sue because they have the right to not be embarassed in public. wtf? if one lion embarasses another lion, the other lion attacks the first one. whoever wins wins, the other one shuts the fuck up. this is how humans would do too before we got "laws" and religion. i'm not saying we should go back to that, but i'm saying that no matter how we choose to live, human life as it exists today is not natural. within those boundaries, we (the people, the government, the authority, whoever) try our best to cope.
maybe then it's fair to say that people don't have an excuse. if i just lost a loved one im not gonna give a fuck about my weight until i get past it. everybody has problems, be it having lost a loved one or being fucking miserable with work or being scared you'll end up alone. when you have a problem that is that imminent, you're not gonna give a shit about your weight. so people go "lazy fucks" and it's wrong. it's so easy for anybody to judge.
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Of course but like I said, you'll probably end up spending less in the end. I'm guessing that if people switched to a strictly healthy diet they would spend around the same money, since you're not wasting money on chips, coke and other overprized junk and you're likely eating less.
Also if you're more healthy the odds of you getting sick are a lot lower. One hospital bill might be a year's worth of food.
And as much as it irks me to say such a cheesy line it's true, you can't put a price on your health. *takes a hit*
Most people have no problem wasting money on a daily basis (small amount here, small amount there ... but it adds up yee fuckers) or spending ridiculous amounts of money on clothes etc. but paying extra to buy something that's good for your health? No that's just insane.
Too long, didn't read.
Of course but like I said, you'll probably end up spending less in the end. I'm guessing that if people switched to a strictly healthy diet they would spend around the same money, since you're not wasting money on chips, coke and other overprized junk and you're likely eating less.
Also if you're more healthy the odds of you getting sick are a lot lower. One hospital bill might be a year's worth of food.
And as much as it irks me to say such a cheesy line it's true, you can't put a price on your health. *takes a hit*
Most people have no problem wasting money on a daily basis (small amount here, small amount there ... but it adds up yee fuckers) or spending ridiculous amounts of money on clothes etc. but paying extra to buy something that's good for your health? No that's just insane.
Getting back to the topic of paying fat people to lose weight.
You could spend every nickel on earth and not help a single person in the current paradigm. Because people are not getting the right information. You don't lose weight and keep it off by going on a diet. You lose weight permanently by making a lifestyle change. And until people address the underlying emotional factors that hinder their weight-loss efforts, not only will they not keep their weight off by going on one of these quick-fix diets, but they may ultimately gain more.
Trying to implement physical changes without taking into account what's going on in our inner lives rarely works. It's about the whole body. You've got to look at your whole body. And you've got to look at your mind.
The only thing that will work for obese people is to go on a long-term body and mind cleanup that throughly examines their life choices and values.
You could spend every nickel on earth and not help a single person in the current paradigm. Because people are not getting the right information. You don't lose weight and keep it off by going on a diet. You lose weight permanently by making a lifestyle change. And until people address the underlying emotional factors that hinder their weight-loss efforts, not only will they not keep their weight off by going on one of these quick-fix diets, but they may ultimately gain more.
Trying to implement physical changes without taking into account what's going on in our inner lives rarely works. It's about the whole body. You've got to look at your whole body. And you've got to look at your mind.
The only thing that will work for obese people is to go on a long-term body and mind cleanup that throughly examines their life choices and values.
well... i talked a little bit about society being unnatural, and i pay taxes for free health care. there will be no hospital bills for me in my life, so i don't have to worry about that. lol. if you get what i mean. sure, i'll die faster, but what 21-year-old in his right mind adapts his lifestyle so he'll live to see 80? so for me, if i start paying more for food, i pay extra for the food but i still have to pay that hospital bill.
i should add that for years i considered myself fat. i always knew i wasn't really really fat, but i didn't think of myself as "a little overweight". i used to think i was fat. i had real bad self-esteem. so even though i'm past that, i'll always be an advocate for overweight people cause i feel like i've been there. or that i felt something similar to what they feel anyway.
some people care about fashion. doing anything fashion brings meaning to their insignificant human lives. a brain is an active organ that does not stay idle. not even when you are asleep is your mind idle. you can register a higher brain activity while you are sleeping than while you are awake. it is a biological impossibility for this organ to not wrap its unspent resources around something. you have to think about something, and based on the life you have lived, the experiences you have had and the impressions imprinted in you, it could be anything. naturally, if you could arrange the thoughts of a random person who spends way too much money on clothes in a linear timeline and go through them, i'm sure you could see several minor and larger incidents in said person's life that lead up to that person taking a particular interest in clothes. it could be lack of confidence. fancy gear makes an ugly face look a liiiittle fresher. certain psychological conditions are known to bring forth irrational behavior like money spending sprees. whatever the reason is, maybe certain people need to think about, discuss, learn about, and spend money on clothes and fashion because it is the primary interest or hobby.
jokerman said it way better than me, but basically, an overweight person doesn't feel less entitled to have an interest than someone not overweight, for the simple fact that they are overweight. an overweight person is a victim of not knowing better and being caught up by it, but that doesn't magically spawn some sort of inclination to change their lifestyle. just ask yourself if you would drastically change your lifestyle to something you know would make you less happy, for the sake of achieving a goal that is not important to you among all the other things you would much rather get in life?
i'm in a similar position. i don't really want to smoke weed for the rest of my life because it's gonna break my health, but there are other things i'm gonna focus on fixing in my life before i worry about that. because if i lose that, the other shit doesn't matter as much. i need to break down other barriers, create new values for myself, and then i can transition into a sober lifestyle. and if that never happens for me, i'll never quit. just like an overweight person will never make an effort to not be overweight at the expense of something that is more important to them.
i should add that for years i considered myself fat. i always knew i wasn't really really fat, but i didn't think of myself as "a little overweight". i used to think i was fat. i had real bad self-esteem. so even though i'm past that, i'll always be an advocate for overweight people cause i feel like i've been there. or that i felt something similar to what they feel anyway.
some people care about fashion. doing anything fashion brings meaning to their insignificant human lives. a brain is an active organ that does not stay idle. not even when you are asleep is your mind idle. you can register a higher brain activity while you are sleeping than while you are awake. it is a biological impossibility for this organ to not wrap its unspent resources around something. you have to think about something, and based on the life you have lived, the experiences you have had and the impressions imprinted in you, it could be anything. naturally, if you could arrange the thoughts of a random person who spends way too much money on clothes in a linear timeline and go through them, i'm sure you could see several minor and larger incidents in said person's life that lead up to that person taking a particular interest in clothes. it could be lack of confidence. fancy gear makes an ugly face look a liiiittle fresher. certain psychological conditions are known to bring forth irrational behavior like money spending sprees. whatever the reason is, maybe certain people need to think about, discuss, learn about, and spend money on clothes and fashion because it is the primary interest or hobby.
jokerman said it way better than me, but basically, an overweight person doesn't feel less entitled to have an interest than someone not overweight, for the simple fact that they are overweight. an overweight person is a victim of not knowing better and being caught up by it, but that doesn't magically spawn some sort of inclination to change their lifestyle. just ask yourself if you would drastically change your lifestyle to something you know would make you less happy, for the sake of achieving a goal that is not important to you among all the other things you would much rather get in life?
i'm in a similar position. i don't really want to smoke weed for the rest of my life because it's gonna break my health, but there are other things i'm gonna focus on fixing in my life before i worry about that. because if i lose that, the other shit doesn't matter as much. i need to break down other barriers, create new values for myself, and then i can transition into a sober lifestyle. and if that never happens for me, i'll never quit. just like an overweight person will never make an effort to not be overweight at the expense of something that is more important to them.
There are strong parallels between obesity and global warming. Both have been rising steadily in the last 40 years or so. I say the rise in obesity is causing the rise in global warming. Fat people give off a lot of heat and a lot of gas, like methane, which is one of the gases fueling the global temperature rise.
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