Greenness of Companies

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
Staff member
#21
^ I keep seeing this commercial on TV here, they say "Drive 5 miles less each week". How the fuck am i gonna drive 5 miles less? Do these people think i go do laps on the motorway for fun? I cant afford to waste money on that when u have to pay 5 bucks a gallon. I drive my car because I have to, I cant change how far my required journey is.
 

vg4030

Well-Known Member
#22
^ I keep seeing this commercial on TV here, they say "Drive 5 miles less each week". How the fuck am i gonna drive 5 miles less? Do these people think i go do laps on the motorway for fun? I cant afford to waste money on that when u have to pay 5 bucks a gallon. I drive my car because I have to, I cant change how far my required journey is.
Obviously you cant shorten your commute, but I think this is the type of stuff SOFI was talking about:

Save energy to save money.

Set your thermostat a few degrees lower in the winter and a few degrees higher in the summer to save on heating and cooling costs.
Install compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs) when your older incandescent bulbs burn out.
Unplug appliances when you're not using them. Or, use a "smart" power strip that senses when appliances are off and cuts "phantom" or "vampire" energy use.
Wash clothes in cold water whenever possible. As much as 85 percent of the energy used to machine-wash clothes goes to heating the water.
Use a drying rack or clothesline to save the energy otherwise used during machine drying.


Save water to save money.

Take shorter showers to reduce water use. This will lower your water and heating bills too.
Install a low-flow showerhead. They don't cost much, and the water and energy savings can quickly pay back your investment.
Make sure you have a faucet aerator on each faucet. These inexpensive appliances conserve heat and water, while keeping water pressure high.
Plant drought-tolerant native plants in your garden. Many plants need minimal watering. Find out which occur naturally in your area.


Less gas = more money (and better health!).


Walk or bike to work. This saves on gas and parking costs while improving your cardiovascular health and reducing your risk of obesity.
Consider telecommuting if you live far from your work. Or move closer. Even if this means paying more rent, it could save you money in the long term.
Lobby your local government to increase spending on sidewalks and bike lanes. With little cost, these improvements can pay huge dividends in bettering your health and reducing traffic.


Eat smart.

If you eat meat, add one meatless meal a week. Meat costs a lot at the store-and it's even more expensive when you consider the related environmental and health costs.
Buy locally raised, humane, and organic meat, eggs, and dairy whenever you can. Purchasing from local farmers keeps money in the local economy.
Watch videos about why local food and sustainable seafood are so great.
Whatever your diet, eat low on the food chain. This is especially true for seafood.


Skip the bottled water.

Use a water filter to purify tap water instead of buying bottled water. Not only is bottled water expensive, but it generates large amounts of container waste.
Bring a reusable water bottle, preferably aluminum rather than plastic, with you when traveling or at work.


Think before you buy.


Low Carbon Energy Report
Go online to find new or gently used secondhand products. Whether you've just moved or are looking to redecorate, consider a service like craigslist or FreeSharing to track down furniture, appliances, and other items cheaply or for free.
Check out garage sales, thrift stores, and consignment shops for clothing and other everyday items.
When making purchases, make sure you know what's "Good Stuff" and what isn't.
Watch a video about what happens when you buy things. Your purchases have a real impact, for better or worse.


Borrow instead of buying.

Borrow from libraries instead of buying personal books and movies. This saves money, not to mention the ink and paper that goes into printing new books.
Share power tools and other appliances. Get to know your neighbors while cutting down on the number of things cluttering your closet or garage.


Buy smart.

Buy in bulk. Purchasing food from bulk bins can save money and packaging.
Wear clothes that don't need to be dry-cleaned. This saves money and cuts down on toxic chemical use.
Invest in high-quality, long-lasting products. You might pay more now, but you'll be happy when you don't have to replace items as frequently (and this means less waste!).


Keep electronics out of the trash.

Keep your cell phones, computers, and other electronics as long as possible.
Donate or recycle them responsibly when the time comes. E-waste contains mercury and other toxics and is a growing environmental problem.
Recycle your cell phone.
Ask your local government to set up an electronics recycling and hazardous waste collection event.

10 Ways to Go Green and Save Green | Worldwatch Institute
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
Staff member
#23
using less doesnt save you money in the long term. why? cos with with everything you buy, the more its sold, the cheaper it becomes. if there is less of a demand, the price goes up to cover loses. obviously dont waste, but thats common sense. but my point is, all what people suggest are short term soultions, they arent gonna fix the problems, and in the long run, will make life harder for more people.
 

vg4030

Well-Known Member
#24
So it seems you have read page 1 of supply and demand. (however the price going up to cover losses is fundamentally wrong, but I get what you are saying)

So you're saying we NEED to buy more not less so it becomes cheaper in the long run? Do you know how ridiculous that is?

The long run doesnt even cover your lifetime. Do you think if you buy more toilet paper as a teenager, when you are old its is going to be so much cheaper.. just because you bought a lot 50 years earlier?

On aggregate, as a society we are consuming more, even though as individuals we may consume less.
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
Staff member
#27
So it seems you have read page 1 of supply and demand. (however the price going up to cover losses is fundamentally wrong, but I get what you are saying)

So you're saying we NEED to buy more not less so it becomes cheaper in the long run? Do you know how ridiculous that is?

The long run doesnt even cover your lifetime. Do you think if you buy more toilet paper as a teenager, when you are old its is going to be so much cheaper.. just because you bought a lot 50 years earlier?

On aggregate, as a society we are consuming more, even though as individuals we may consume less.
I never said use more. I quite clearly said dont waste stuff. The answer is not to use less, but to use what you need.
 

vg4030

Well-Known Member
#28
I never said use more. I quite clearly said dont waste stuff. The answer is not to use less, but to use what you need.
I dont think anywhere said 'dont use what you need?'

No one is going to argue with dont waste stuff, the point of what I posted was to question 'Do I REALLY need this much or ask if there is an alternative"

For example, I bet not many people take bottled water with them when they leave the house, or pack a lunch for work... its easier to buy a plastic bottle or get takeout and throw the wrapper in the bin without thinking twice (not you but anyone).. its just about doing your part and not relying on other people (government) to solve it for you



She has the spirit:

 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#29
I never said use more. I quite clearly said dont waste stuff. The answer is not to use less, but to use what you need.
The key is to use what you need efficiently and by reducing your carbon footprint.

Also, your supply and demand argument is flawed because you're not considering the alternatives. If I buy appliances that consumer less power or I buy CFL bulbs, I am creating demand for products that are BETTER for the environment.

Also, the point of being green isn't neccesarily to save money, but to save the environment. By doing your part and creating demand FOR greener alternatives, YOU CAN save money in the long-term.

Also, keep in mind, in the long-run, we're all dead. :)
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
Staff member
#30
The key is to use what you need efficiently and by reducing your carbon footprint.

Also, your supply and demand argument is flawed because you're not considering the alternatives. If I buy appliances that consumer less power or I buy CFL bulbs, I am creating demand for products that are BETTER for the environment.

Also, the point of being green isn't neccesarily to save money, but to save the environment. By doing your part and creating demand FOR greener alternatives, YOU CAN save money in the long-term.

Also, keep in mind, in the long-run, we're all dead. :)
Yeah there will be a demand for products that are better for the enviroment. But you energy bills will still go up because the energy companies will be losing money, so they will have to put their rates up to cover the losses. And if you are using what you need then you are all ready using it efficiently. If you are not using it efficiently, then its quite clear you are using more than you need to.
 

S. Fourteen

Well-Known Member
#31
Also, the point of being green isn't neccesarily to save money, but to save the environment.
and to make money while doing it!

Think John Doerr and think Al Gore. Venture capitalists don't do charity work but I love Al Gore - he's a major shareholder of Apple, and a board member.

Invest away people. Invest!

*I am in no way insinuating a global conspiracy theory.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#32
Yeah there will be a demand for products that are better for the enviroment. But you energy bills will still go up because the energy companies will be losing money, so they will have to put their rates up to cover the losses. And if you are using what you need then you are all ready using it efficiently. If you are not using it efficiently, then its quite clear you are using more than you need to.
Then they go out of business. Simple as that. If there are substitutes (cleaner energy) and the big energy companies don't provide, then they go out of business. Simple as that. Companies go out of business when they lose competitive advantages.

Also, you're reaching with that need and efficiency argument. For example, if you have the NEED to get to a certain place, there are different ways of doing it that are more efficient and less efficient. If you need light to read a book in your room, there are more efficient and less efficient ways of doing it.
 

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