Any Last Words?

[Flipmo]

Death penalty has been known to be a deterrent to crime. It's been proven that areas that have the death penalty have much more crime than those that don't. Ask any specialist in the field of criminology and he'll tell you about the relation. There has been a same relation with gun crimes and officers that carry them. They've had occasions where officers were not given small firearms for an amount of time, and gun crimes drastically dropped, once officers were given back the firearms after an extended period of time, gun related crimes were on the rise once more...

What do I think they should have?

Forced fucking labour camps. Send them mother fuckers to the Gulags or Goli Otok

 

[Casey]

What makes you so sure that they were all religious at the time they commited their crimes?

In 2000, The religious demographics of Texas were:

* Evangelical Protestant – 24.4%
* Mainline Protestant – 8.1%
* Orthodox – 0.1%
* Roman Catholic – 21.0%

Over 50% of the population of Texas is Christian, and I would bet that it's more like 99% of the people that were on Death Row.

See, you have to be intelligent to be atheist. I've never met an unintelligent atheist. It's very rare.

And one only has to look at the records, the criminal acts committed, and the final statements of these people to figure out that they are almost exclusively, fairly unintelligent people. That's not me looking down on anyone, it's a fact. The evidence shown speaks for itself. Shit, make all the people on death row take IQ tests, they aren't going to score well.

Therefore, it logically follows that if one has to be fairly intelligent in order to be an atheist (and again - the facts speak for themselves), and 1 in 2 people in Texas is religious, it also follows that damn near every single one of these people was religious at the time that they committed their crime.

Hope that answers your question, have a greeeeeeaaat day!

 

[Flipmo]

You're not including other factors Casey. How about the educational background of these individuals? Are they all high school drop outs? Family background? If they had parents that neglected them their whole lives and failed to teach them moral standards. At this point you're just picking and choosing the facts you want to hear, and not looking at the whole picture. There is a lot more the drives a person to criminal activity than religious or non-religious allegiance.
As for intelligence and religion being associated with one and another, no real facts or studies. We should just annex Newton, Francis Bacon, or John Locke who were all in favour of sciences and incredible minds, but were extremely religious? Newton has even stated in the past that he follows the religion of God, and not one of Man. Or, how about the 2005 survey done on 1,125 U.S. doctors in Chicago alone, found that 76 percent believe in God and nearly 60 percent in some sort of afterlife. Shit, one of my doctors had a double specialization in infectious diseases (No, not House) and was a very religious Hindu, and one hell of a worker. He'd work from 7am to 10pm everyday, pretty sure he was not a moron. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
You're just relating your personal experiences and imposing it as a norm... see, while you say you never met an unintelligent Atheist, I on the other hand have met my share of thick mother fuckers that were Atheists.
Now, I really don't hate anyone, I have Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Atheist friends, and if whatever you believe in makes you happy and a better person, by all means go for it, but you can't judge em all on the basis of a few bad seeds, know what I mean.

 

[Casey]

There is a lot more the drives a person to criminal activity than religious or non-religious allegiance.

Clearly. I'm a criminal myself, but an organised one who does not get caught. Some might even call me smooth. It would seem that Annie, is not, in fact, OK. I went into her apartment and left the bloodstains on the carpet. But let's keep that on the downlow.

 

[Flipmo]

That is ok, Annie.

 

[Cooper]

^^im not really. sometimes when i read about a murder case in the newspaper i might say that we should bring in the death penalty here. but when i think about it, i dont agree with it. First of all you could have a situation where an innocent person is convicted and wrongfully executed. and also as i said before, a life sentence is more of a punishment. Which would you rather. death or the rest of your life in a prison?

Life imprisonment also costs a lot less. Mistakes have been made where people have sat on death row for years and then been acquitted. The link I posted shows that an innocent man might have been executed already, which is the biggest possible argument against it. Life in prison doesn't have to mean lock them in a dark room 24/7, they can do jobs that help society.

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^i read all that article you posted.

is their a chance he could be pardoned? or whats gonna happen?

 

[Cooper]

You're not including other factors Casey. How about the educational background of these individuals? Are they all high school drop outs? Family background? If they had parents that neglected them their whole lives and failed to teach them moral standards. At this point you're just picking and choosing the facts you want to hear, and not looking at the whole picture. There is a lot more the drives a person to criminal activity than religious or non-religious allegiance.
As for intelligence and religion being associated with one and another, no real facts or studies. We should just annex Newton, Francis Bacon, or John Locke who were all in favour of sciences and incredible minds, but were extremely religious? Newton has even stated in the past that he follows the religion of God, and not one of Man. Or, how about the 2005 survey done on 1,125 U.S. doctors in Chicago alone, found that 76 percent believe in God and nearly 60 percent in some sort of afterlife. Shit, one of my doctors had a double specialization in infectious diseases (No, not House) and was a very religious Hindu, and one hell of a worker. He'd work from 7am to 10pm everyday, pretty sure he was not a moron. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
You're just relating your personal experiences and imposing it as a norm... see, while you say you never met an unintelligent Atheist, I on the other hand have met my share of thick mother fuckers that were Atheists.
Now, I really don't hate anyone, I have Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Atheist friends, and if whatever you believe in makes you happy and a better person, by all means go for it, but you can't judge em all on the basis of a few bad seeds, know what I mean.

The scientists you name all lived in times where the evidence against God was significantly less than today. Also the stigma attached to being atheist in those times was massive.

In an age notable for its religious intolerance there are few public expressions of Newton's radical views, most notably his refusal to take holy orders and his refusal, on his death bed, to take the sacrament when it was offered to him.

I don't hate anyone either and everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but I sure as hell don't have to respect those.

 

[Cooper]

^^i read all that article you posted.

is their a chance he could be pardoned? or whats gonna happen?

The case is being re-examined by the state, but are Texas likely to rule on something that would most likely rule the death penalty unconstitutional?

 

[Flipmo]

The scientists you name all lived in times where the evidence against God was significantly less than today. Also the stigma attached to being atheist in those times was massive.

I was talking about the relation between intelligence and religion. Despite the time they were in, they were not morons. That was my point.

You don't have to respect it. Just like they don't have to respect your views. Then again, I think that's a silly way of looking at things, that's the reason there is so much hostility between the two groups, but to each their own.

 

[Casey]

That is ok, Annie.

That's my favorite MJ picture of all time. I used to spend hours trying to do "the lean" as a kid.

Anyway, I just pulled this out to reminisce, from my extensive music collection:

It's the Japanese CD single of 'Smooth Criminal' with rare mixes not found anywhere else, and a full lyric sheet in both English and Japanese. I paid WAY too much for it in the pre-internet days. Next to my neon Moonwalker sign, and my original 1969 7" vinyl of the Jackson 5's debut single, "I Want You Back", it's my favorite item of my MJ collection.

 

[Flipmo]

I would frame that shit if I were you. lol and store it somewhere with enhanced security.

Wasn't a special shoe or something used to do the lean perfectly? I read that a while ago, there is even a patent on it. lol

 

[Casey]

I would frame that shit if I were you. lol and store it somewhere with enhanced security.

Wasn't a special shoe or something used to do the lean perfectly? I read that a while ago, there is even a patent on it. lol

It's not worth as much as my original 1987 paperback copy of Michael autobiography, "Moonwalk", which I bought for about £5 on ebay about 5 years ago. As soon as he died it started getting valued at £300 or so, no idea what it's at now. They are reprinting it soon, which I guess means the original printings will be worth even more.

Yeah, the lean was done via a special shoe, Michael invented it and held the patent for it indeed. All the documentation of the patent can be found online.

 

[Duke]

I clicked "Last Page", browsed through the responses on page 4, decided I wasn't interested, clicked back, thought to myself, click forward again and said:

"How the fuck did this go from death row inmates to Micheal Jackson?"

 

[Da_Funk]

You're not including other factors Casey. How about the educational background of these individuals? Are they all high school drop outs? Family background? If they had parents that neglected them their whole lives and failed to teach them moral standards. At this point you're just picking and choosing the facts you want to hear, and not looking at the whole picture. There is a lot more the drives a person to criminal activity than religious or non-religious allegiance.
As for intelligence and religion being associated with one and another, no real facts or studies. We should just annex Newton, Francis Bacon, or John Locke who were all in favour of sciences and incredible minds, but were extremely religious? Newton has even stated in the past that he follows the religion of God, and not one of Man. Or, how about the 2005 survey done on 1,125 U.S. doctors in Chicago alone, found that 76 percent believe in God and nearly 60 percent in some sort of afterlife. Shit, one of my doctors had a double specialization in infectious diseases (No, not House) and was a very religious Hindu, and one hell of a worker. He'd work from 7am to 10pm everyday, pretty sure he was not a moron. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
You're just relating your personal experiences and imposing it as a norm... see, while you say you never met an unintelligent Atheist, I on the other hand have met my share of thick mother fuckers that were Atheists.
Now, I really don't hate anyone, I have Muslim, Christian, Buddhist and Atheist friends, and if whatever you believe in makes you happy and a better person, by all means go for it, but you can't judge em all on the basis of a few bad seeds, know what I mean.

I'm not going to even comment on the part about the scientists you mentioned b/c when they lived being an atheist was likely to get you roasted alive by the church.

As for what you said about doctors... When i was taking phys chem, organic chem, bio chem etc I met people who were in med school or on their way there.. lets just say my respect for being a doctor has drastically decreased. The majority should have no where near the esteem doctors have.

 

[Flipmo]

I'm not going to even comment on the part about the scientists you mentioned b/c when they lived being an atheist was likely to get you roasted alive by the church.

As for what you said about doctors... When i was taking phys chem, organic chem, bio chem etc I met people who were in med school or on their way there.. lets just say my respect for being a doctor has drastically decreased. The majority should have no where near the esteem doctors have.

As I said before, I'm aware of the context they lived in, and many during the age of Enlightenment weren't roasted for being Atheist, many wrote openly about it, the burnings were generally a myth that was associated with the Victorian age. My point was the relation of intelligence and religion.

I wouldn't decrease my respect for doctors just on that basis, it's a noble profession which saves lives on a constant basis. Think of it this way, if a man is capable of saving your life on the operating table, will you actually give a shit what he believes in, in his personal life?

 

[Flipmo]

It's not worth as much as my original 1987 paperback copy of Michael autobiography, "Moonwalk", which I bought for about £5 on ebay about 5 years ago. As soon as he died it started getting valued at £300 or so, no idea what it's at now. They are reprinting it soon, which I guess means the original printings will be worth even more.

Yeah, the lean was done via a special shoe, Michael invented it and held the patent for it indeed. All the documentation of the patent can be found online.

It's gonna be worth much more. Heard a report on TV how people are holding onto their MJ memorabilia cause it's expected to sky-rocket in value in the next 20-30yrs.

Awesome stuff you have there, nonetheless.

 

[Casey]

It's gonna be worth much more. Heard a report on TV how people are holding onto their MJ memorabilia cause it's expected to sky-rocket in value in the next 20-30yrs.

Awesome stuff you have there, nonetheless.

Well, the thing is that I become obsessed with MJ at the age of 3. While most kids had Disney films and shit, the very first videotape I ever owned was Moonwalker, and I still have it. There's a couple of teeth marks in the plastic case, I guess I hadn't grown out of chewing stuff at that age lol.

But I would literally watch it every day for years and years. And when it would come on TV, I'd watch it again, even if I'd already watched it once that day. My family came to understand that if we were ever out somewhere and saw something MJ related, it was imperative that I had it, lol. This probably went on for damn near a decade. Hence the huge collection.

I even have a videotape that my cousins recorded for me, from when MTV ran an entire "Michael Jackson Weekend" back in maybe 1990? Maybe 1989? I remember it had all this backstage footage from the Bad tour. They interviewed Sheryl Crow, who was working as a backing singer for Michael on that tour. She had massive blonde poodle 80's hair and would come out from the back of the stage to sing Siedah Garret's parts on "I Just Can't Stop Loving You".

When Sheryl's debut album, Tuesday Night Music Club came out in 1993, and she had a massive hit with "All I Wanna Do", I said to people (and remember I was only 6 years old at the time) - "That's Sheryl Crow. She used to be Michael Jackson's backing singer".

Nobody believed me. They thought I was making it up, because I had a bad habit of turning any conversation into something about Michael, I would find any possible way to steer any conversation into something about him. Of course, we didn't have the internet in those days, so I couldn't look it up right there and then and prove it, so people just thought I was messing around or lying or something.

But of course I wasn't joking.

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Some of the stuff that was on that tape I still haven't found anywhere online. And I don't have a VHS player any more. One day I'll rip all that footage and upload it somewhere.

 

[Flipmo]

Learn something new everyday, I never knew Sheryl Crow was MJ's backup, that's nuts, never would have never believed that if it wasn't for the vid. I grew up listening to a lot of MJ was hard not to lol, but it's obvious you were the more obsessed individual. lol

That's cool though, I think as kids there is always that 1 thing that stands out and sticks with us till the day we die. For the most part what I've noticed with people it's always an artist. lol. I for one, think Phil Collins is the King, and my buds and girl think I'm insane, but it's what I listened to a lot as a kid and it stuck with me. I'm like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho, minus the murderous tendencies. lol

 

[Casey]

Phil Collins is the shiznit. I have a track for my solo album sampling "Sussudio", don't know if I'll be able to clear the sample though.