i'm not sure if a thread has already been made about this..but if it has then my bad...but i'm just trying to get some other opinions on this...like the title says...would Pac get along with 50 if he was still alive? What brought this to my attention was listnening to that new Jadakiss and Styles P song "Problem Child" cause on that song Jadakiss said "Nas been doin just fine wit out u and Pac probally would've made an album about u" so that got me thinking...would Pac have liked him or not...cause i know Pac was going at all the quote unquote "fake rappers" in the industry and people love to label 50 as a "fake". Before i go any further i just want to clear this up so that there isn't any confusion...I AM NOT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM A FAN OF 50'S MUSIC...so i'm not dickriding nor am i hating. But anyway like i said people love to label 50 as a "fake" but what really establishes him as a "fake"? Did he not grow up in a wild hood like he claims to have in his music? Did he not get shot? Did he not sell drugs like he openly always talks about in dam near every interview he's had. I'm not saying that makes him "real" but why is he considered "fake". One thing that i've noticed is that some people here base their opinions on whose "real" or "fake" or whose really hard or not with a comparison to Pac...they put Pac at the highest standard and consider him as the epidamy of how a rapper should be. Is he considered "fake" because he doesn't choose to be hot headed and go out and start wars and other shit he has no business doing with a bunch of gang bangers who aren't going to do shit with their lives except for either lose it or spend it rotting in a cell but would rather make tons of money, lay back and live long enough to enjoy the good life...i know Pac enjoyed the good life to....but only for a short period of time............i'm just making all this up as i'm typing it and i'm running out of shit to say and i'm tired as hell so...i'll just end it by saying that i don't consider 50 as being "fake" i just dont like the music he's putting out...but i do think that if 50 got shot then blew up like he did and Pac was still alive and still rapping i think that they would've did a collabo...dam i'm second guessing this now cause i know that i'm probally going to start getting hated on cause it seems like i'm defending him...but oh well fuck it.........to the people who have a constructive opinion what do ya'll think?
Would Pac Like 50?
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I don't think 50 is fake, but I do think he is a wannabe Pac, but in a way that is less obvious than how people like Ja do it. Ja used Pac's image (remember how we all thought he was a wannabe Pac in Jay-Z's "Can I Get A..." video?) and songs (listen to Ja's "So Much Pain" and "The Pledge (Remix)"), but 50 is trying to follow Pac's steps after the shooting, with his "fuck everybody, I don't give a fuck, you're either with me or against me" attitude. He made a verse about Fat Joe and Jadakiss (more than likely for recording "New York" with Ja), which is something that Pac probably would've done (since he did it with Jay-Z for being all down with Biggie). And the whole situation with the Game saying that he's down with Nas is kind of like how supposedly Pac was mad at Snoop for saying he'd work with Bad Boy.
50 might sell millions, but at the end of the day he has less talent that most rappers out there. He just happens to be able to claim being from the hood, getting shot nine times, and all that shit that in reality has nothing to do with skills. His career is almost entirely based on beef. Nobody really gave a shit about him until "How to Rob" and then we didn't hear much about him until signing with Shady/Aftermath. His first single was "Wanksta" and he just kept dropping song after song about Ja and Murder Inc. And even now he's still dropping diss records about different people, and it's almost random now (why Nas and Kelis?). And if it's not a diss record, it's a half-assed song about the same shit he talked about in Get Rich or Die Tryin'. If it wasn't for him blindly dissing random people throughout his career and getting shot, nobody would give a fuck about him. If you remember the MTV VMAs from a while back that Chris Rock hosted, remember what he said about 50... "All you ever hear is that he got shot nine times... 'Did you hear the new 50 album?' 'He got shot nine times.' 'But I heard Dre produced it.' 'He got shot nine times.' That's all you ever hear about."
I don't think Pac would've liked him, but I don't think he would've dissed him either.
50 might sell millions, but at the end of the day he has less talent that most rappers out there. He just happens to be able to claim being from the hood, getting shot nine times, and all that shit that in reality has nothing to do with skills. His career is almost entirely based on beef. Nobody really gave a shit about him until "How to Rob" and then we didn't hear much about him until signing with Shady/Aftermath. His first single was "Wanksta" and he just kept dropping song after song about Ja and Murder Inc. And even now he's still dropping diss records about different people, and it's almost random now (why Nas and Kelis?). And if it's not a diss record, it's a half-assed song about the same shit he talked about in Get Rich or Die Tryin'. If it wasn't for him blindly dissing random people throughout his career and getting shot, nobody would give a fuck about him. If you remember the MTV VMAs from a while back that Chris Rock hosted, remember what he said about 50... "All you ever hear is that he got shot nine times... 'Did you hear the new 50 album?' 'He got shot nine times.' 'But I heard Dre produced it.' 'He got shot nine times.' That's all you ever hear about."
I don't think Pac would've liked him, but I don't think he would've dissed him either.
People tend to think 50 is fake because:
a) he talks murder shit, but appears to have murdered no-one.
b) he talks murder shit, but makes pop songs.
"a)" is a valid reason I guess, if you're judging all rappers by that standard - ie. as far as I'm aware, Tupac never sent bodies to anybody's parents up north, with their faces, their nuts & their wrists cut off.
"b)" is a complete farce because as far as I'm aware, even killers like to party. Hell, Ted Bundy picked some of his victims at a party.
And if we're going to go into hypothetical mode, then had Tupac lived, I'm thinking 50 would never have blown up. Not for the dickryders' reason that Tupac would've wiped out all fakes but simply because there wouldn't have been as big a market for Ja Rule & I don't think he'd have blown up so much. Without Ja Rule, perhaps 50 doesn't get shot & stabbed & thus, never really blows up. So I don't think they would've collaborated for this reason.
That said, while Tupac was known to lie/contradict himself, if he kept good to his word & by this time was only doing albums every 5 years or so, I'm doubting he'd waste a guest spot on 50 - blown up or not.
a) he talks murder shit, but appears to have murdered no-one.
b) he talks murder shit, but makes pop songs.
"a)" is a valid reason I guess, if you're judging all rappers by that standard - ie. as far as I'm aware, Tupac never sent bodies to anybody's parents up north, with their faces, their nuts & their wrists cut off.
"b)" is a complete farce because as far as I'm aware, even killers like to party. Hell, Ted Bundy picked some of his victims at a party.
And if we're going to go into hypothetical mode, then had Tupac lived, I'm thinking 50 would never have blown up. Not for the dickryders' reason that Tupac would've wiped out all fakes but simply because there wouldn't have been as big a market for Ja Rule & I don't think he'd have blown up so much. Without Ja Rule, perhaps 50 doesn't get shot & stabbed & thus, never really blows up. So I don't think they would've collaborated for this reason.
That said, while Tupac was known to lie/contradict himself, if he kept good to his word & by this time was only doing albums every 5 years or so, I'm doubting he'd waste a guest spot on 50 - blown up or not.
lol, that actually had me giggle. i think you're wrong though.
the fact that 50 got shot up gave him an advantage because that gave him a lot of shit to talk about in his music. that was 50s card up his sleeve, that people automatically believed him and bought into the gangsta image, because he got shot. tupac indeedy didn't send bodies to people's parents up north, however, tupac never claimed to. he had stated several times that his music wasn't always about him. besides, tupac did do some shit that i think gives him credability. come on, he shot two (off-duty) cops, he got into it with people all the time and went to jail because of it, he dealed with gang members and got shot because of that too, and he went on death row which was notorious for its involvement in.. everything lol. all that stuff was real. 50 fabricated an image that sells records. tupac damn near did the straight opposite. he had the world against him and proved himself to everybody, which is why he got famous in the end. not until after his death did people see his full potential.
saying that 50 sucks and 2pac does not is everything BUT wrong in my book. you can't say that because tupac said stuff that wasnt true in his music, you cant hate on 50 because he did. it's an unfair comparison.
the fact that 50 got shot up gave him an advantage because that gave him a lot of shit to talk about in his music. that was 50s card up his sleeve, that people automatically believed him and bought into the gangsta image, because he got shot. tupac indeedy didn't send bodies to people's parents up north, however, tupac never claimed to. he had stated several times that his music wasn't always about him. besides, tupac did do some shit that i think gives him credability. come on, he shot two (off-duty) cops, he got into it with people all the time and went to jail because of it, he dealed with gang members and got shot because of that too, and he went on death row which was notorious for its involvement in.. everything lol. all that stuff was real. 50 fabricated an image that sells records. tupac damn near did the straight opposite. he had the world against him and proved himself to everybody, which is why he got famous in the end. not until after his death did people see his full potential.
saying that 50 sucks and 2pac does not is everything BUT wrong in my book. you can't say that because tupac said stuff that wasnt true in his music, you cant hate on 50 because he did. it's an unfair comparison.
No. Pac showed his human side from his first album. You could always find him rapping about real stuff. In the later stages of his career when he got into the more gangsta shit that 50 is all about, he still made music people could relate to. From various interviews by QDIII, the Outlawz, etc. they enjoyed working with him and he was sincere. It appeared as he had a lot of beef to somebody that doesn't know, but for most he had a reason.
50 is pretty much like any other average rapper in his content. The only difference is that he HAD a good flow and some melodic, memorable hooks to get him in the business. Now that his flow is fucked up (see that new track "The Way We Came Up") you can really hear his mediocre lyricism. He hasn't made a track from the heart. There's just the "thug from the ghetto" mentality in each of his tracks. There are people that can relate to that and shit, but not anymore. It's the worst cliche of rap today. There's nothing that people can really relate to coming from his mouth. His beef is what he used to jump into the public's eye. He uses it as a commercial tool. He was beefing with Game, he made up with him at the time of the Massacre, but what happened a week later? What were their true feelings?
50 just doesn't seem real, so I don't think Pac would like him. I don't doubt that 50 went through a tough life in the hood but that doesn't make a good artist automatically.
50 is pretty much like any other average rapper in his content. The only difference is that he HAD a good flow and some melodic, memorable hooks to get him in the business. Now that his flow is fucked up (see that new track "The Way We Came Up") you can really hear his mediocre lyricism. He hasn't made a track from the heart. There's just the "thug from the ghetto" mentality in each of his tracks. There are people that can relate to that and shit, but not anymore. It's the worst cliche of rap today. There's nothing that people can really relate to coming from his mouth. His beef is what he used to jump into the public's eye. He uses it as a commercial tool. He was beefing with Game, he made up with him at the time of the Massacre, but what happened a week later? What were their true feelings?
50 just doesn't seem real, so I don't think Pac would like him. I don't doubt that 50 went through a tough life in the hood but that doesn't make a good artist automatically.
You say Tupac never claimed he did everything he says in his music, does 50 claim everything he says in his music is real? I think not.
So, he shot cops, died & was on Death Row?
50 hasn't shot cops, he's yet to die & hasn't been on Death Row - I guess he doesn't meet the criteria.
Remind me when the world was against Tupac? When he was poor? 50 was poor too.
Again, in the end there you bring up death. In the music business - particularly in rap - dying seems to give you some sort of cosmic credibility, it's ridiculous.
So, he shot cops, died & was on Death Row?
50 hasn't shot cops, he's yet to die & hasn't been on Death Row - I guess he doesn't meet the criteria.
Remind me when the world was against Tupac? When he was poor? 50 was poor too.
Again, in the end there you bring up death. In the music business - particularly in rap - dying seems to give you some sort of cosmic credibility, it's ridiculous.
but Pac used the Bad Boy/Death Row beef as a commercial tool...he said it himself when Biggie confronted him about everything he was saying...Pac said "i'm just trying to make money"
and as far as 50's and Ja Rule's beef that was an ongoing beef that had been started before the mainstream even knew who 50 was...and didn't know about the beef until "In Da Club" and "wankasta" came out
and as far as 50's and Ja Rule's beef that was an ongoing beef that had been started before the mainstream even knew who 50 was...and didn't know about the beef until "In Da Club" and "wankasta" came out
I think people tend to take this out of context. YES, Pac was trying to make money, but that's not why he was beefing. Isn't every rapper trying to make money? I think that when Pac said that, he was trying to say that his intentions weren't to kill anybody or anything but to get some dough. Think back to his interview with Angie Martinez, he said he thought hip-hop should be about "more money... crazier sounds, different beats, MORE MONEY." Money is what makes the world go round. Plus Pac wanted to use it toward community centers and stuff.
I wouldn't put it as far as Tupac would lie on the things he say in his album. Tupac didn't always rap about HIS life, it was sometimes about other people in his life, his peers, things he sees. So whether it be him killing someone, he's never killed anyone. Or 16 on Deathrow when he talks about being sexually abused. So its not always about him, he's just taking that role as a rapper to connect to multi-people in the world struggling.
i dont understand why it was a whole west coast-east coast beef, if you think about it, i mean pac used to live in new york, and used to go by an mc involving new york,and one of his first crews in baltimore city was labeled "eastside crew". and that was when he did his first show ever. Now i understand he has beef with rappers from the east coast such as biggie, but its fucking dumb to have beef with the whole east coast. And biggie learned alot from tupac, and biggie had said alot of good stuff about cali. And then for them both to be screaming fuck a coast, is just stupid, i know its off topic, but i had to say it.
but back to the original topic, i dont think 50 and pac would of been cool, pac had a lot of beefs in his career, 50 as far as beef goes, really didnt have that much more beef than pac did, and for the simple reason they both like to shout someone out, i think they would of had beef, both claiming each other as bitches, although 50 has no right. kind of like nelly dissing krs one like he had any authority.
bottom line- 50s career now, is made from the beef he has.
but back to the original topic, i dont think 50 and pac would of been cool, pac had a lot of beefs in his career, 50 as far as beef goes, really didnt have that much more beef than pac did, and for the simple reason they both like to shout someone out, i think they would of had beef, both claiming each other as bitches, although 50 has no right. kind of like nelly dissing krs one like he had any authority.
bottom line- 50s career now, is made from the beef he has.
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