Why Does Eminem Get All The Blame?

[jason_g_718]

saying eminem is a producer is like saying he's an actor. he's neither. he's a rapper who has explored other areas of his interests and varying degrees of talent. before labeling eminem a producer (who fits the same bill as other hip hop producers who only produce or started by producing), you have to ask yourself if eminem could have succeeded in the industry if he never had picked up a mic. i'd say no with confidence. shit, dizzy can produce better than him and he's working in a cave. by the same token, dr. dre isn't really much of a rapper. his thing is priduction, and just because he picks up the mic on occasion doesn't mean that he could ONLY rap and achieve the same level of success.

Bottom line is this. If you're responsible for producing 3 whole albums, you've done half the production on 3 or 4 other albums, you're being asked to produce songs for the likes of Jay Z, and you win a fucking Grammy for producing a song, you're a producer.

Dr. Dre has 2 of his own solo albums, and rapped as a member of probably the most legendary rap group ever, you're a rapper.

Eminem is a rapper/producer, just like Dre is a producer/rapper. Whether or not the two would have "made it" by only producing and only rapping (respectively), is irrelevant.

i can respect that marshall wanted to be a part of this project. fair enough. but when they cancelled the same tracks that he later produced just so it could be an eminem featuring 2pac album and that hurt the project in an incredible way. replacing tracks by kanye or others in favor of em's very sam-sounding stacatto production was a huge disservice. shit, i'll even let him slide with making pac shout him out because i have done that myself.

Well, the biggest problem I have with the album is that Eminem literally put words in Pac's mouth. I'm a huge fan of Eminem, which everyone here has known since I pretty much joined. But I was VERY UNHAPPY with him for making Pac shout him out, shout G Unit out etc...

You said you've done it yourself. But have you put it on store shelves for sale?

changing vocal tempo (buy sometimes as much as 10bpm) is the mark of an amateur. 2pac's albums (including his FIRST) have never resembled novice talent. therefore you turn to the producer of the weak tracks. marshall.

Eminem has produced some very hot shit prior to LTTG.

afeni and the outlawz are to blame here, because they have creative control. i think that the outlawz bowed down to eminem's recognition and fame, and thought that he could make this album successful on the merit of his name and therefore continue the 2pac vehicle for outlaw success.

I totally agree. I was thinking that the Lawz may have even been a bit intimidated by Em.

once again, had there been no pac, we'd have no outlawz. they would have never made it in the industry. on every album, on every damn one the outlawz make it a point to remind us that they worked with pac. pathetic. they are horrible artists on anything they have touches since 1997-8.

Well, we all know without Pac, the Lawz wouldn't be around. But I disagree that they have been horrible since 97/98. I thought Still I Rise was a pretty good effort. I mean, you're talking about 3 rappers who are nothing more than average and who happen to drop real stellar verses about once a year. However, I don't have extremely high hopes for them, so therefore, I'm usually not disappointed.

afeni is an aging woman who is not hip hop. i understand that her passion is the tasf. the problem is that she's being fed some very bad advice from those on whom she relies.

Do you really think that just because Afeni is 55, means she knows nothing about rap music? I know quite a few people in their 40's and 50's who are rap fans.

But the bottom line is you are probably right. The Lawz have taken advantage of someone who doesn't know rap like they do.

 

[Cooper]

em took responsibilty for the production, he takes the blame...tho the outlawz should take some blame.

cant blame afeni...im pretty sure she just doijng what she thinks is right...even tho in this case in was wrong.

 

[jason_g_718]

its the first time they took pacs words and used it out of context

maybe some were for alive theories but atleast those were phrases and people can take them different ways but "BANKS" "FIFTY" "G UNIT" "TRICE" is just downright obvious bull. eminem gets the blame and i think afeni and the outlawz accepted it cuz if they didnt theyd have to pay eminem MORE to redo the beats...

Before you think you're gonna come here to drop knowledge, know what you're talking about.

Eminem did the production for free.

 

[yak pac fatal]

Dr. Dre has 2 of his own solo albums, and rapped as a member of probably the most legendary rap group ever, you're a rapper.

Eminem is a rapper/producer, just like Dre is a producer/rapper. Whether or not the two would have "made it" by only producing and only rapping (respectively), is irrelevant.

dr.dre isnt a rapper he said it himself this guy has ghost writers(eminem,jay-z,icecube ect.) can u tell what eminem produced for jayz

 

[jason_g_718]

dr.dre isnt a rapper he said it himself this guy has ghost writers(eminem,jay-z,icecube ect.)

Well, as far as Dre saying himself he's not a rapper, it's called being humble. Dre is a producer first, but he is a rapper. And I know Dre has gostwriters. Everyone knows that. His ghostwriters have ranged from the DOC, to Snoop, Eminem to Sam Sneed, Jay Z to Daz. But he still raps those words.

can u tell what eminem produced for jayz

Renegade, I thought everyone knew that.

 

[Butt Rubber]

Well, I agree and disagree with you. I do agree with you that Afeni should have had a few producers on the album.

However, you saying Em is "a rapper, not a producer" is wrong. First of all, he's been producing for himself and other local Detroit acts since 1995. He produced half the MMLP, he produced all of TES (save for like 2 or 3 songs), he produced most of both the D12 records, he produced all of "Cheers" (save for a song or two), he produced all the ORIGINAL songs for the 8 Mile soundtrack, he produced three songs for the Resurrection soundtrack (which a lot of people here at the time said he did a great job), he produced most of Encore, he's produced for Jay Z (the only guest artist Jay Z had on his album), he's produced for 50 Cent and Jadakiss.

So he very much so is both a rapper and producer, and you know damn well he wouldn't be the first.

And in regards to saying Em only took 3 days to do the album and "I bet he wouldn't take only 3 days with his own album.". Who knows...but Pac did. Guess it's ok if youre name is 2pac, but not if it's Eminem.

so why did Eminem put so much time into these projects and only give Pac 3 days of work? he used all of his good beats on his own cds and mixtapes but yet only gave Pac a few


Pac didnt get justice, and this time around its Eminems fault (last time it was Johnny J, the Outlawz and Jazzy Pha). it went from lil mo, to trick daddy, to 50 cent/obie trice

thats the way its been around here for awhile, theres nothing more to it. UTEOT, Nu Mix and Better Dayz didnt have as many vocal-butchering, which is what seperates them from LTTG

 

[jason_g_718]

so why did Eminem put so much time into these projects and only give Pac 3 days of work? he used all of his good beats on his own cds and mixtapes but yet only gave Pac a few

I don't have that answer. I am not here to answer for Eminem. I told you that I was very unhappy and dissatisfied with his work on the album.

Pac didnt get justice, and this time around its Eminems fault (last time it was Johnny J, the Outlawz and Jazzy Pha). it went from lil mo, to trick daddy, to 50 cent/obie trice

I agree with you again, but only partially. Eminem is at partial fault, but so are Afeni, EDI, Kastro and Noble. And yes, I have the same opinion for albums before LTTG. When Johnny was overseeing production, the stuff that sounded wack was also the fault of Johnny J, but also Afeni and Co.

thats the way its been around here for awhile, theres nothing more to it. UTEOT, Nu Mix and Better Dayz didnt have as many vocal-butchering, which is what seperates them from LTTG

In regards to the actual verses, isn't LTTG lyrics altered about as much as stuff on UTEOT or BD? Lyrically, the thing I have the BIGGEST problem with is Em making Pac shout him out, and even more so, shout out 50, Buck and them.

And I'm sorry, but NO PAC RECORD is as bad as Nu-Mixx. That album was just like...it gave NEW DEFINITION to terrible.

 

[yak pac fatal]

the only reason nu mixx sounded so bad is because we all heard the original ones

 

[Dante]

nu-mixx sucked for the same reason that lttg did. one person doing all the production without variation or creativity. darren vegas and marshall both lack diversity among their tracks. put an eminem beat in a hip hop lineup - he'll be pegged guilty every time.

 

[jason_g_718]

the only reason nu mixx sounded so bad is because we all heard the original ones

No, the reason it sounded so bad is because the person who produced them made horrible fucking beats. Not a SINGLE BEAT that was used on Nu-Mixx was the type of shit Pac would use.

I've heard a few Pac songs done to different beats. Some were just as good as the OG's, others not so much.

But yeah, that album sucked because:

1. Suge was exploiting Pac's name to make $$$ (something he criticizes others for)
2. The producer just made horrible beats.

So, I guess the lesson learned is that you can't exploit Pac's name or legacy to make money unless your name is Suge Knight.

 

[jason_g_718]

nu-mixx sucked for the same reason that lttg did. one person doing all the production without variation or creativity. darren vegas and marshall both lack diversity among their tracks. put an eminem beat in a hip hop lineup - he'll be pegged guilty every time.

LTTG is a fucking 5 mic classic in compariso to Nu Mixx.

 

[bigmack]

1. Suge was exploiting Pac's name to make $$$ (something he criticizes others for)

you must be a dumbass. how was suge exploiting pac's name when the time pac died he was ON deathrow and pac was one of suge's artists.

and get out of here jason_g-unit,you eminem dickrider.i've seen all your post backing eminem and g-unit.

all in all, EVERYONE affiliated with the making of loyal to the game is to blame.eminem being at the top of that list cuz he's the one doing the producing,which esentially is the whole album - pac's vocals.

 

[Rock]

I'm just going to say that he deserves most of the blame because he was in charge of the remixes, all of them except for the bonus remixes. From what I heard he did all of the regular remixes in 3 days. If that holds to be true, then no wonder why most of his remixes sucked. He should've took more time and also he shouldn't have fucked with the Acappella tempos...

 

[Ghetto Anthony]

The creator of this thread is the Real Slim Shady.

 

[jason_g_718]

you must be a dumbass. how was suge exploiting pac's name when the time pac died he was ON deathrow and pac was one of suge's artists.

So that means it's not possible for Suge to exploit him? Get the fuck out of here.

What was the purpose of Nu Mixx? Besides fucking up some of the most classic 2pac songs to ever be recorded and to remove Snoop from 2 Of Amerika'z Most Wanted, a song which happens to be not only a classic Pac song, but one of the best rap duets to ever occur. Snoop and Pac were fucking golden on that song and played off each other as well as the best duets in the industries history.

and get out of here jason_g-unit,you eminem dickrider.i've seen all your post backing eminem and g-unit.

Well that's a lie because anyone who reads my posts knows that not only do I not support G-Unit, I fucking despise 50 Cent. I like Young Buck and Lloyd Banks as SOLO ARTISTS, but I don't like the group G-Unit nor 50 Cent as a solo artist. And while I like Banks, I do not like him enough to buy his CD. I did buy Buck's solo CD though and still bump that on a daily basis.

all in all, EVERYONE affiliated with the making of loyal to the game is to blame.eminem being at the top of that list cuz he's the one doing the producing,which esentially is the whole album - pac's vocals.

Now after all that bullshit you just wrote, we get to this part of your post and I completely 100% agree with you. :thumb:

How simple was that? After you act like an asshole and call me names for saying Suge exploited Pac, and call me an Eminem/G-Unit dickryder, which is an out and out lie. I'm an Em fan and I hate G-Unit. Now after all that insulting, you pretty much agree with what I have said previously in the post.

 

[imported_Sun_Tzu]

cuz he was the executive producer

 

[Hellrazor1978]

I cant believe people are actually trying to compare Pac making DK7 in 7 days to Eminem making LTTG in three days. Weakest argument. EVER.

One Pac verse (take your pick, it dont matter) from DK7 >>>> the ENTIRE LTTG album

LTTG isnt even worthy of sitting along side the greatest album of all time, much less actually making a comparison between the two.

 

[jason_g_718]

I cant believe people are actually trying to compare Pac making DK7 in 7 days to Eminem making LTTG in three days. Weakest argument. EVER.

Why?

One Pac verse (take your pick, it dont matter) from DK7 >>>> the ENTIRE LTTG album

Well, yeah, but DK7 is hailed by some as the best 2pac album to ever be recorded. One thing is for sure in that it IS ONE OF Pac's most classic albums and in the top 3 of his albums. You may not be able to compare the material, but time is time. Whether you're looking at DK7 or MATW, a time frame is a time frame. Quite frankly, LTTG is a lyrical peasant compared to DK7.

LTTG isnt even worthy of sitting along side the greatest album of all time, much less actually making a comparison between the two.

You're right about it not worthy of sitting along side DK7. However, I'm not comparing the two albums, rather the amounts of time it took to complete them.

Comparing two individual time frame's in which two respective products were crafted IS NOT the same thing as comparing the products themselves.

 

[ShadowSoulja]

like some one else said FUCK Loyal To The Game is just right out garbage it sounded more like a underground album from a artist that just started rappin with all the bullshit vocal changes....you say your a artist your self....R U FUCKING DUMB or is Eminem payin your ass to defend his ass...come on now...set up a voting poll or a anythin for people to sign there names for Loyal To The Game album see how many people actaully like that shit and i mean shit...reason why i say its shit hmm lets see....

1. VOCALS ARE FUCKED THE HELL UP
2. U GOT EMINEM SINGING ON BLACK COTTON WTF
3. BEATS R WAY TO POP AS JUSTIN TIMBERLAKEISH
4. EM RUINED THE ALBUM U CAN TALK AND BLABBER ALL YOU WANT ITS TRUE...HE CANT PRODUCE FOR 2PAC 2PAC HAS A UNIQUE STYLE OF RAPPING HE AINT NO GAY ASS DRE NORE GAY ASS GAY UNIT SHIT COME ON...I RATHER BUY A 3 SONG CD WITH OG'S ON IT FOR 20$ THEN PAY FOR THAT GARBAGE...JUST HOPE TO GOD HE DONT TOUCH PAC"S ALBUM...

5. EMINEM IS A COMEDY RAPPER HE MAKES COMEDY BEATS TUPAC IS A SERIOUS RAPPER HE DONT FUCK AROUND WITH BITCH ASS WACK BEATS LIKE THOSE...

6.WHOEVER SAID EMINEMS NEW ALBUM WAS GOOD UR A FUCKING IDIOT THAT ALBUM WAS SHITTY TOO HE FELL OFF...GOD HAVE YOU LISTENED TO TUPAC FROM 2PACALYPSE NOW TO ALL EYEZ ON ME TO THE 7 DAY THEORY DONT EVER COMPARE EMS TRASH TO CLASSIC ALBUMS...

 

[bigmack]

So that means it's not possible for Suge to exploit him? Get the fuck out of here.

What was the purpose of Nu Mixx? Besides fucking up some of the most classic 2pac songs to ever be recorded and to remove Snoop from 2 Of Amerika'z Most Wanted, a song which happens to be not only a classic Pac song, but one of the best rap duets to ever occur. Snoop and Pac were fucking golden on that song and played off each other as well as the best duets in the industries history.

Just because suge made a remix 2pac album it means he exploited him? you get the fuck outta here. So that means anyone making a new pac album is exploiting pac.no it aint. anything suge does with pac's music is totally acceptable,even if he wants to put a nintendo instrumental on a pac track. suge is the only one who knows what pac wanted,suge is the only muthafucka that pac wanted to handle his business,and suge aint dumb. how come u dont see no motherfuckers mentioning suge,cuz everyone scared of him. they only throw , if any, small sibliminals. why did eminem cencor the word suge from his album? how come when pac was dissin muthafuckas he was saying their names just like that? cuz like pac said, if i cant fuck wit a muthafucka ill say i cant fuck wit a muthafucka. if i got a problem with a muthafuckas im rushin' the nigga.

You said fuckin up 2pac classics,well thats only your opinion,i happen to like a few of those tracks and i think they were done with a good job.

Well that's a lie because anyone who reads my posts knows that not only do I not support G-Unit, I fucking despise 50 Cent. I like Young Buck and Lloyd Banks as SOLO ARTISTS, but I don't like the group G-Unit nor 50 Cent as a solo artist. And while I like Banks, I do not like him enough to buy his CD. I did buy Buck's solo CD though and still bump that on a daily basis.

50 cent is only 1 person from the g-unit camp. 2 out of 3 = you support g-unit so stfu foo'.[/QUOTE]

Now after all that bullshit you just wrote, we get to this part of your post and I completely 100% agree with you. :thumb:

How simple was that? After you act like an asshole and call me names for saying Suge exploited Pac, and call me an Eminem/G-Unit dickryder, which is an out and out lie. I'm an Em fan and I hate G-Unit. Now after all that insulting, you pretty much agree with what I have said previously in the post.

i didnt call you names,i called the truth son. you must be the biggest eminem fan here so i call you a dickrider cuz through anything that he's done wrong,and its a fact,you try to diminish it or put the blame somewhere else. AND i didnt agree with your post totally,you said alot of the blame should be placed on other people, i say most of the blame,and i mean %95 of the blame on eminem, the other people get some blame but not as much. so i didnt agree with you.you can take my dick outta ur mouth now.

oh and....

Em comes so tight on his verse and has such a good flow, he ALMOST outshines Pac.

nuff said....