What would you do if someone raped your wife/mother/sister/girlfriend?

[one mc on dj]

Sup with all the sheep fucker thingys...

Sheep fucker<<can seriously be offending...it can actually hurt ppl...specially in real life..
But this is the net...Keep that in mind...its the net...The net is a place where all can talk shit without gettin in too much trouble...

 

[Amara]

i also said murder but i aint tryin to be macho. maybe i wouldnt murder them. but it would be hard for me to not do anything it would drive me crazy. so probably i wouldnt murder. i would attack them, but hey, they might die unintentionally. but i see what u r sayin

That's still a case of murder/manslaughter (depending on how the prosecution makes out the fault element, which is easily enough contructed out of assault or recklessness)..... enough with my legal jargon though!

Not beating someone up does not mean you will have done nothing. Like I said, love and support is the best and most welcome "something" you can do.

I also think that the sentances for rape is no where near long enough! also a lot of rape cases don't even go to court due to women not reporting them as they get hell in the witness stand and are made to feel like they are not believed (i know this happens in the uk, not sure about anywhere else)

It's 25 to Life in most jurisdictions in Australia. That's quite long. Plus there is victim's compensation. Yes it is unfortunate that rape is not reported, but that is a feature which spreads across the entire CJS. Here they have considered reducing the standard of the fault element of the crime (which may not make sense to any one who hasn't studied law), so the effect would be - it is easier to convict rapists (in some sense).

Usually, however, the reasons for non-reporting are fear of the ramifications, such as feelings of shame, also if the victim knew the offender, this tends to put them off as well.

Like I said before, it is only in certain circumstances that a victim may be called to stand trial. If there is enough evidence, the case may be resolved without the need for trial (such as a plea bargain) or there will be enough evidence for it to proceed using the victim's pre-written testimony or offender's confession etc as leading evidence. So fear for standing trial, may be an unfounded one.

 

[ItsmeyaC]

prob torture, nutcrackers on the testicles, til they pop.. theres no punishment what would make it better.. id ask the victim what they wanna do, after poppin the testis of course..

 

[not really ken]

your not serious are you.
i actualy believe it when people say your emotions build up, like, you have to cry. it is actualy like that believe it or not

:thumb:
the building up of emotions with no outlet is the source of distress. It is like someone who has no patience will only distress himself with no benefit.

 

[Rukas]

Did you read my last paragraph?

Here: As for all the macho bullshit going on here, if it was me, the last thing I would want is my father or boyfriend to make the situation worse by taking action themselves. Justice is for the police and the criminal justice system to serve. After being raped, you need love and support, not further pain and suffering when your dad or bf gets sentenced for murder or grievous bodily harm.

How is murdering them going to help the situation...honestly....

Psychologically speaking, when a women is raped, a man close to her usually blames himself because he feels it was his job to protect her, macho or not that is how men work, think and react.

Just because your last paragraph states that is not something you would want to happen, does not mean that is not the way the men in your life would react. Reading your reply and opinion does not dictate how I am going to reply to the thread.

So while my reply may appear to be macho to you, a female, it was simply an answer to what I think I would be capable of in that situation. I neither indicated any interest in doing it, nor did I state that if it was to happen murdering them would be the right answer or even the way I would want to react. However, being a realest and knowing that everyone has the power to take life inside of them, faced with the situation of having a loved one raped in front of me, I can say I would most probably without thinking give into my raw animal instincts and rage and take the attackers life. Of course I would regret it later.

This may appear like macho bullshit to you, but it is my answer, and mine alone to give.

 

[Amara]

However, being a realest and knowing that everyone has the power to take life inside of them, faced with the situation of having a loved one raped in front of me, I can say I would most probably without thinking give into my raw animal instincts and rage and take the attackers life. Of course I would regret it later.

And regret it you should. Giving in to raw, animal instincts.....is this not the essence of crime, how is this different to the actions of the rapist? To lower ones self to the standard of the rapist, the criminal, is not an admirable quality. By all means the need to protect a woman is innate male nature - yet revenge should not be. Perhaps rather than viewing the situation from the point of view of a male whose duty to protect fell short, a better way of viewing it would be that of someone whose love, support, care and sensitivity is very much in need.

 

[Rukas]

And regret it you should. Giving in to raw, animal instincts.....is this not the essence of crime, how is this different to the actions of the rapist? To lower ones self to the standard of the rapist, the criminal, is not an admirable quality. By all means the need to protect a woman is innate male nature - yet revenge should not be. Perhaps rather than viewing the situation from the point of view of a male whose duty to protect fell short, a better way of viewing it would be that of someone whose love, support, care and sensitivity is very much in need.

I was not aware this thread was a discussion about the validity of male emotions and actions of rage. Excuse me, I thought the thread asked what one would do faced with the situation of a loved one being raped. That is the question that I answered.

I believe everyone has a killer inside them, and if I was in that situation and was placed face to face with the assailant I think I would lose it and quite possibly kill them. Having said that, one never knows what they are capable of or what they would do until they are placed in that situation.

And while that is my answer, no where have I suggested that that course of action is warranted, recommended or should be accepted. Therefore your lecture is irrelevant because you automatically assumed that I endorsed such actions, which I did not.

The difference between me and everyone else that posted in this thread, as far as I have seen, is that everyone has stated how they would like to react, or what they think the right reaction is. As you suggested, they viewed it from a different, better, yet ultimately fake angle. And while that may be favorable to you, that is not an answer to the question. Instead I put all of that aside and answered truthfully, and made no excuses. Honestly, I hope that I will never be faced with a situation like that, but if I was, I pray for the strength to act in the way God sees fit, and hopefully at the same time that is something that would satisfy my loved one.

If my humanity offends you, I apologize.

As cliched as it is on here, Tupac said it rather well; “I ain’t a killer, but don’t push me.”

 

[k69atie]

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13309410,00.html

just read about this, a 12 year old rapist got life

 

[2Pax]

I'd kick some ass.

 

[Zero Cool]

Grab the gat.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Locate my comrades

 

[Jokerman]

I agree with what Rukas said.

 

[Zero Cool]

Locate my comrades

Let's get my enemies not knowin' I'm coming back

 

[Jokerman]

And regret it you should. Giving in to raw, animal instincts.....is this not the essence of crime, how is this different to the actions of the rapist? To lower ones self to the standard of the rapist, the criminal, is not an admirable quality.

How is it different from the actions of the rapist? Let's see: He raped an innocent person; whereas, I punished an evil, guilty person. Yeah, you're right, no difference.

I don't even have to be angry and giving into my raw animal instincts to want to punish this person. It could also be an intellectual decision. Just as I would want the justice system to punish him, I want to punish him. Because I want him punished. My only consideration is weighing the risks of taking it into my own hands and maybe going to jail, or leaving it to the justice system which might not adequately hand out the justice he deserves.

 

[MX Red]

Psychologically speaking, when a women is raped, a man close to her usually blames himself because he feels it was his job to protect her, macho or not that is how men work, think and react.

Just because your last paragraph states that is not something you would want to happen, does not mean that is not the way the men in your life would react. Reading your reply and opinion does not dictate how I am going to reply to the thread.

So while my reply may appear to be macho to you, a female, it was simply an answer to what I think I would be capable of in that situation. I neither indicated any interest in doing it, nor did I state that if it was to happen murdering them would be the right answer or even the way I would want to react. However, being a realest and knowing that everyone has the power to take life inside of them, faced with the situation of having a loved one raped in front of me, I can say I would most probably without thinking give into my raw animal instincts and rage and take the attackers life. Of course I would regret it later.

This may appear like macho bullshit to you, but it is my answer, and mine alone to give.

I dissagree, not becuase i ourightly dissagree with what u said...only because this isnt the reaction of most males after a female close to them has been raped! And since most rape case's dont end up with a conviction - most men have this option available to them, but choose against it!
peace
MX!

 

[not really ken]

How is it different from the actions of the rapist? Let's see: He raped an innocent person; whereas, I punished an evil, guilty person. Yeah, you're right, no difference.

I don't even have to be angry and giving into my raw animal instincts to want to punish this person. It could also be an intellectual decision. Just as I would want the justice system to punish him, I want to punish him. Because I want him punished. My only consideration is weighing the risks of taking it into my own hands and maybe going to jail, or leaving it to the justice system which might not adequately hand out the justice he deserves.

Most males feel like this. Yet the law states 'you must not take the law into your hands'. This system doesn't account for a persons nature and, like you said, intellectual decisions. The law is an ass :thumb:

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

all jokes a side i really would kill them becuz the law doesnt give a shit about you or your family, after a couple of years in jail that rapist will be a free man.here are the punishments in stages

1.Make him toss some butch guy that looks similar to kimbo salad(make the rapist lick asshole)
2.stick a needle in the rapist peehole
3.stick a pencil in the rapists anus
4.every day make a racist(depending on the colour of the rapist)prison inmate fuck him, causing the pencil to slowly tear through that sick fucks organs
5.make him think im gonna kill him eg tell him that today is when he is going to die eg tell him he will die by fireing squad, he will prolly be happy becuz he would think that once hes dead he wont feel no more pain BUT the bullets in the gun will be rubber(the ones cops use to restrain people)from there he would be tied to a pole thinkin he will be set free of all the torture, i would then ask the firing squad to unleash hell, the rapist would then be bombarded by tons of rubber bullets aimed at his nut sack.
6.he would get 3 meals a day consisting of egg shells, grass which was peed and shitted on by hilbilies and animals, water taken from prison toilets and to top that all of, some stones, also may i add, a knife and fork would not be given to him, he will be given chop sticks which will be placed on rat piss coverd ground and his hands will be tied behind his back.
7.every day, he will be told that "this is just the beginning, we wont let u die yet"
8.i would also fuck up his sleeping patterns.

I would go with that, except for doing anything with a pencil myself. I don't want to touch any body part of the rapist.

 

[Bina]

Most males feel like this. Yet the law states 'you must not take the law into your hands'. This system doesn't account for a persons nature and, like you said, intellectual decisions. The law is an ass :thumb:[/QUOTE

What if the woman who was raped didn't go to the police (i.e. too ashamed, didn't want to got through the court ordeal...), so if the law isn't involved, would you then take it into your own hands?

 

[Amara]

I was not aware this thread was a discussion about the validity of male emotions and actions of rage. Excuse me, I thought the thread asked what one would do faced with the situation of a loved one being raped. That is the question that I answered.

I'm not attempting to discuss the validity of male emotions. I am trying to discuss the importance of non-violent solutions to a problem, whilst enunciating the legal ramifications, because whilst the unilateral "an eye for an eye" approach may seem reasonable at the time, it is not to the law. And it would be damn shame for the victim to lose their loved ones to imprisonment in addition to the loss of their bodily dignity.

 

[Amara]

How is it different from the actions of the rapist? Let's see: He raped an innocent person; whereas, I punished an evil, guilty person. Yeah, you're right, no difference.

I don't even have to be angry and giving into my raw animal instincts to want to punish this person. It could also be an intellectual decision. Just as I would want the justice system to punish him, I want to punish him. Because I want him punished. My only consideration is weighing the risks of taking it into my own hands and maybe going to jail, or leaving it to the justice system which might not adequately hand out the justice he deserves.

Well Ken answered this very well.....except for the law being an ass lol.

Human emotion, whilst a driving factor is not a legitimating factor. One act of gross personal violation does not warrant the taking of that life by another in the eyes of the law. Unfortunately, the fact that you want to punnish him is not enough. You are not in a position to judge. Justice is for the criminal justice system to serve, even if it cannot always give us the result we would like.

(Just as an aside, I am not saying these things to discredit anyones opinion, but having studied law, my mind is corrupted by notions of justice, equality and liberty.... ).