Vegan-ism Vs Vegetarianism
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Pitts I can give you a meat eaters point of view on meat/dairy substitutes. I tried Daiya cheese bc of Casey and it's decent but it's not a suitable substitute in my honest opinion. It's not unlike eating snot when it's melted. I have not found a suitable substitue for chicken either. Maybe chicken nuggets but not chicken strips or breasts. I'm not a picky eater either. It's a lot of different textures to get used to.
I don't know if we might have the same illness also...I have to take a vitamin b complex.
I don't know if we might have the same illness also...I have to take a vitamin b complex.
im making a slow transition. i might try to go fully vegan but i have many eating complexes so its taking me time to get used to simple stuff like regular vegetables. no joke. i've expanded my diet by several hundred percent, all in healthy directions, over the past year. there's still miles to go though.
funny observation i've made: i always ate a lot of junk food, snacks and candy. i don't eat anywhere near what i used to, but i still eat more than even above-average. i'm still steadily becoming more fit just from the healthy additions i've made. i've barely scraped the surface and it's done wonders for my energy, self-esteem and presumably health. i'm thinking damn this is worth taking full-length. ive been doing pushups and situps for a few weeks and will continue for a while to warm up for a gym membership. as much as my ego wants to hold me back i have to say casey's persistance and references have made me a believer.
i also think i have the intellectual capacity to control my intake in the sense you spoke of and i am a sucker for systematic thinking.
funny observation i've made: i always ate a lot of junk food, snacks and candy. i don't eat anywhere near what i used to, but i still eat more than even above-average. i'm still steadily becoming more fit just from the healthy additions i've made. i've barely scraped the surface and it's done wonders for my energy, self-esteem and presumably health. i'm thinking damn this is worth taking full-length. ive been doing pushups and situps for a few weeks and will continue for a while to warm up for a gym membership. as much as my ego wants to hold me back i have to say casey's persistance and references have made me a believer.
i also think i have the intellectual capacity to control my intake in the sense you spoke of and i am a sucker for systematic thinking.
I'm proud of you Preach. More importantly you should be proud of yourself! Take it the whole way, you have nothing to lose. And if it doesn't work for you (altho that's extremely unlikely IMO) then nobody is forcing you stick with it.
Here's something I feel is obvious to me but worth pointing out. If I DIDN'T feel a million times better, healthier, etc from being vegan I'd say so. I have nothing to gain, I'm not getting paid to spend my time pointing out to people why veganism is a healthier choice. It's simply my experience, and after I discovered that was the case, I read a few books and my experiences were then correlated with facts and knowledge of WHY I was feeling better. It's like Mike Tyson - he was quoted as saying that he wished he had become vegan years ago. He's not saying that for his own amusement, is he?
Defensive meat-eaters can sit and chat shit all day, but there's no personal insight there. I've been an omnivore. I've been a vegetarian. I'm now a vegan. I know what makes me feel the best. And I can back it up with science and understanding to explain why. You can give outside examples all day but you can't beat that personal insight. Preach has been making an effort for a year and is encouraged by the benefits he's seeing. You can't truly know unless you do it. I didn't wake up one day and say "Hey, I'm going to be vegan now". I had an interest, I already felt dairy was wrong, and over time I completely cut it out of my diet. I wouldn't say it was easy.... but it was much easier than I thought it would be, and it only got easier with each passing day. I don't feel like it's an effort for me to be vegan now. I said that to my sister today, she said something to me like "Oh, I'm proud that you have so much discipline to be vegan", and I said I didn't see it that way.
If you don't like something, you just don't eat it. Celery tastes horrible to me so I don't eat it. I used to love eating cheese, but now the word conjures images in my brain of blocks of melting mould, solid blood and pus. It just seems disgusting. Eggs make me think of other kinds of eggs. Human female eggs. Ant eggs. Spider eggs. Unfertilized ovums. What's the difference? Like it makes so much more fucking sense to eat a chicken egg compared to any other animal? Let's all go eat some snake eggs while we're at it, mmmmmm enjoy that dripping building block of life that never got some sperm to go in it. Human females "lay an egg" every month technically speaking, that's what a period is. What. cos it doesn't have a hard outer shell it makes it a different thing? Enjoy your increased risk of diabetes and cholesterol because your parents told you it was a good fucking idea to eat an unfertilized ovum and a million capitalist food industries use it to bulk up whatever sugar based bullshit they're selling you while a million chickens are stuffed in a small dark space, getting all kinds of infections and injections and disease. Go ahead and believe that doesn't have even more of an impact on that fucking omelette you're stuffing down your fat high cholesterol throats.
Now excuse me, I'm going to go eat some of my aunties home-made lentil dhal with bread which even my omnivore friends admit is one of
the best tasting things they've ever encountered.
#winning
Here's something I feel is obvious to me but worth pointing out. If I DIDN'T feel a million times better, healthier, etc from being vegan I'd say so. I have nothing to gain, I'm not getting paid to spend my time pointing out to people why veganism is a healthier choice. It's simply my experience, and after I discovered that was the case, I read a few books and my experiences were then correlated with facts and knowledge of WHY I was feeling better. It's like Mike Tyson - he was quoted as saying that he wished he had become vegan years ago. He's not saying that for his own amusement, is he?
Defensive meat-eaters can sit and chat shit all day, but there's no personal insight there. I've been an omnivore. I've been a vegetarian. I'm now a vegan. I know what makes me feel the best. And I can back it up with science and understanding to explain why. You can give outside examples all day but you can't beat that personal insight. Preach has been making an effort for a year and is encouraged by the benefits he's seeing. You can't truly know unless you do it. I didn't wake up one day and say "Hey, I'm going to be vegan now". I had an interest, I already felt dairy was wrong, and over time I completely cut it out of my diet. I wouldn't say it was easy.... but it was much easier than I thought it would be, and it only got easier with each passing day. I don't feel like it's an effort for me to be vegan now. I said that to my sister today, she said something to me like "Oh, I'm proud that you have so much discipline to be vegan", and I said I didn't see it that way.
If you don't like something, you just don't eat it. Celery tastes horrible to me so I don't eat it. I used to love eating cheese, but now the word conjures images in my brain of blocks of melting mould, solid blood and pus. It just seems disgusting. Eggs make me think of other kinds of eggs. Human female eggs. Ant eggs. Spider eggs. Unfertilized ovums. What's the difference? Like it makes so much more fucking sense to eat a chicken egg compared to any other animal? Let's all go eat some snake eggs while we're at it, mmmmmm enjoy that dripping building block of life that never got some sperm to go in it. Human females "lay an egg" every month technically speaking, that's what a period is. What. cos it doesn't have a hard outer shell it makes it a different thing? Enjoy your increased risk of diabetes and cholesterol because your parents told you it was a good fucking idea to eat an unfertilized ovum and a million capitalist food industries use it to bulk up whatever sugar based bullshit they're selling you while a million chickens are stuffed in a small dark space, getting all kinds of infections and injections and disease. Go ahead and believe that doesn't have even more of an impact on that fucking omelette you're stuffing down your fat high cholesterol throats.
Now excuse me, I'm going to go eat some of my aunties home-made lentil dhal with bread which even my omnivore friends admit is one of
the best tasting things they've ever encountered.
#winning
Both my grandparents ate the same diet as me, they both lived till they were 90, they also drank and smoked for 60 years(I dont drink much and i dont smoke) Their wifes and their sisters are still alive and in their nineties. Would you agree that if i was vegan it would hardly increase my life span? The point im trying to make is whenever you talk about meat eaters, you always label us all as big fat unhealthy slobs who are gonna die in their fifties. You posted a picture the other day of a vegan fighter, fine i know the point you were making, i was talking about real men, i was obviously joking. You do understand that most of the best athletes/sportsmen in the world eat meat dont you?
If your really that bothered about some chickens why dont you and your veggie buddies go out one night Chickennapping?
I was a vegetarian for the first 14 years of my life (also somewhat Religious) but both went out the window around about the same time (though I still admire a few things about the Sikh religion). I haven't noticed much difference to the way I am, but then again I am not a big meat eater, I don't eat Lamb/Beef/Pork and any other meat apart from chicken. The same with my family, though my sisters became vegetarians again a couple of years ago.
I've always been fairly active, whether playing football or going to the gym, I am in my normal BMI - not that I actually like to go by that for various reasons and I have an abundance of energy, especially in the morning where it seems I woke up by having a massive sugar hit, even though my sugar intake isn't that high.
Becoming a vegetarian first than transitioning into becoming a vegan is something I will look in to doing in the near future, its just those pesky chickens that prevent me
I've always been fairly active, whether playing football or going to the gym, I am in my normal BMI - not that I actually like to go by that for various reasons and I have an abundance of energy, especially in the morning where it seems I woke up by having a massive sugar hit, even though my sugar intake isn't that high.
Becoming a vegetarian first than transitioning into becoming a vegan is something I will look in to doing in the near future, its just those pesky chickens that prevent me
As for morals, i think it's a personal thing for what each person thinks is right for them. I don't eat eggs because there's nowhere near me (that i'm aware of) to buy them where I know that they are coming from a humane situation. However, when I was with a friend on her family's farm for a weekend I ate eggs then. Their chickens are pets for the most part, they're happy and loved. I could see no reason not to eat the egg.
I don't eat meat in the States at all, however, when I head back to DR and visit family that lives on the farm.. I will occasionally have a bit of sancocho or something with goat in it. Again, there's no factory farming and I know the animals are being raised humanely. Nothing is at the expense of the treatment of the animals. They raise them, love them and when it's needed (which isn't that often) in a humane way kill and consume the animal. This is rare that I'm a part of this, but it happens and I don't feel guilt.
I'm about 85% vegan or so. I'm not militant about it. I do what works for me and what let's me sleep at night. From switching to a mostly vegan diet I see huge differences. BUT I have to say it's not just about being vegan (a plant based diet). It's about getting the right amount of nutrients my body needs in addition to no longer consuming fried, processed, GMO, etc... foods. So, yes I see many of the same differences that Casey mentioned. Near flawless skin (a blemish here and there, sure.. but good/clear complexion, great elasticity, no acne, etc), much more energy (I only sleep about 5 hrs per night and it's really all I need), I've lost weight which i'm not thrilled about.. but for someone who wants that as well.. it's there. Yes, I've seen benefits. But I can't say it's completely from being vegan as it's moreso about lifestyle changes.
I had to learn HOW to be vegan. Which was a transition. A lot of people simply leave out the meat on a meal or switch to a lot of unhealthy options and processed powders/etc to get their nutrients which isn't healthy or safe. The same with being a vegetarian.. a lot of time people end up with diets based on a lot of cheese and pasta.. again, not the best way to go.
For me, I'm not a huge fan of vegetables, lol. BUT i'm a major fruit person. SO.. I consume a LOT of "green smoothies." This is 50% fruit to 50% leafy green vegetable. It takes some initial planning to get the nutrients you need for the day right, but once you know it.. you know it. They are absolutely delicious and extremely filling while being simple to make. An example of an easy one can be as simple as carton of mixed berries from the grocers, one whole mango and 2 cups of Kale. blend. It comes out a gross green color (hence green smoothies) but you do not taste the vegetables. I share them with my dog
lol. That doesn't cover me for protein though, so I make my dinner protein heavy.. something with quinoa (can be used like rice or pasta) or something with various beans.
Daiya I use for cheese. No, it's not a perfect comparison but it's close. But the thing is, you can't look for something to be exactly the same as what you're used to otherwise you'll fail at being vegan/vegetarian. I've seen a lot of people go back to eating meat/dairy because they couldn't find perfect replicas of what they were used to eating. it's a different thing and should be treated that way. Play around with what works for you. My fav non-dairy milk is Almond Breeze. It's not soy (which is great as soy isn't good for you anyway) and it has a very mellow taste. Works great with cereal and in recipes. Another thing I'd suggest avoiding are the processed vegan/vegetarian "meats". They're pointless. A ton of calories and outside of not being actual meat, they simply aren't healthy or beneficial.
Although i'm generally not a fan of Peta, they do have some amazing books with simple recipes for vegan/vegetarian meals. Fast and cheap with easy ingredients to locate. As for fast food, stick with ethnic restaurants. Caribbean/South/Central American/Indian/Asian, etc restaurants almost always have vegetarian and/or vegan options or something really close.
I feel like i'm rambling. Hopefully that makes sense. I tried to offer not a textbook answer but a more personal answer. Hope it helps.
I don't eat meat in the States at all, however, when I head back to DR and visit family that lives on the farm.. I will occasionally have a bit of sancocho or something with goat in it. Again, there's no factory farming and I know the animals are being raised humanely. Nothing is at the expense of the treatment of the animals. They raise them, love them and when it's needed (which isn't that often) in a humane way kill and consume the animal. This is rare that I'm a part of this, but it happens and I don't feel guilt.
I'm about 85% vegan or so. I'm not militant about it. I do what works for me and what let's me sleep at night. From switching to a mostly vegan diet I see huge differences. BUT I have to say it's not just about being vegan (a plant based diet). It's about getting the right amount of nutrients my body needs in addition to no longer consuming fried, processed, GMO, etc... foods. So, yes I see many of the same differences that Casey mentioned. Near flawless skin (a blemish here and there, sure.. but good/clear complexion, great elasticity, no acne, etc), much more energy (I only sleep about 5 hrs per night and it's really all I need), I've lost weight which i'm not thrilled about.. but for someone who wants that as well.. it's there. Yes, I've seen benefits. But I can't say it's completely from being vegan as it's moreso about lifestyle changes.
I had to learn HOW to be vegan. Which was a transition. A lot of people simply leave out the meat on a meal or switch to a lot of unhealthy options and processed powders/etc to get their nutrients which isn't healthy or safe. The same with being a vegetarian.. a lot of time people end up with diets based on a lot of cheese and pasta.. again, not the best way to go.
For me, I'm not a huge fan of vegetables, lol. BUT i'm a major fruit person. SO.. I consume a LOT of "green smoothies." This is 50% fruit to 50% leafy green vegetable. It takes some initial planning to get the nutrients you need for the day right, but once you know it.. you know it. They are absolutely delicious and extremely filling while being simple to make. An example of an easy one can be as simple as carton of mixed berries from the grocers, one whole mango and 2 cups of Kale. blend. It comes out a gross green color (hence green smoothies) but you do not taste the vegetables. I share them with my dog
lol. That doesn't cover me for protein though, so I make my dinner protein heavy.. something with quinoa (can be used like rice or pasta) or something with various beans.Daiya I use for cheese. No, it's not a perfect comparison but it's close. But the thing is, you can't look for something to be exactly the same as what you're used to otherwise you'll fail at being vegan/vegetarian. I've seen a lot of people go back to eating meat/dairy because they couldn't find perfect replicas of what they were used to eating. it's a different thing and should be treated that way. Play around with what works for you. My fav non-dairy milk is Almond Breeze. It's not soy (which is great as soy isn't good for you anyway) and it has a very mellow taste. Works great with cereal and in recipes. Another thing I'd suggest avoiding are the processed vegan/vegetarian "meats". They're pointless. A ton of calories and outside of not being actual meat, they simply aren't healthy or beneficial.
Although i'm generally not a fan of Peta, they do have some amazing books with simple recipes for vegan/vegetarian meals. Fast and cheap with easy ingredients to locate. As for fast food, stick with ethnic restaurants. Caribbean/South/Central American/Indian/Asian, etc restaurants almost always have vegetarian and/or vegan options or something really close.
I feel like i'm rambling. Hopefully that makes sense. I tried to offer not a textbook answer but a more personal answer. Hope it helps.
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