Tupac's Last Song he was listenin 2

[Dante]

The keyword is "failed attempt." While what you said is true, I believe that had the second shooting not occurred in Vegas, Pac would've been his same self when he got back to Cali, not really worrying too much about the scuffle, maybe even making a song or two about it. Then perhaps Orlando (or some of his SSCC boys) would've tried to catch Pac off-guard in L.A. and dump on him, much like how they did in Vegas. In such an attempt, if it ended up being a failure, then yes, Pac would've been more cautious after taking a few more bullets. But with no attempts on his life at all, I don't think Pac would've been more cautious than usual after the Vegas scuffle had he not been shot, considering how he had been in a few incidents himself while on Death Row without really facing any retaliation from the opposing party.

what i was thinking is that orlando wouldn't have naturally assumed the limo was bullet-proofed. if it was, and his shots didn't connect with pac, pac would have been instantly transformed into a totally different person.

operating under the assumption that an attempt wasn't made at all in vegas, i would agree with you dead on.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

what i was thinking is that orlando wouldn't have naturally assumed the limo was bullet-proofed. if it was, and his shots didn't connect with pac, pac would have been instantly transformed into a totally different person.

I see... I agree with that, but would Orlando have known who was in the limo? Did the limo have any Death Row emblems or anything on the outside (which is possible, seeing that it's Death Row)? If it did, then unless Suge and Pac rolled around with the windows down (kind of counter-productive when the vehicle is bulletproof), I'd assume that others wouldn't know who was behind the tinted windows, since anyone not with the Death Row camp could've assumed that it's just as likely that Snoop or somebody else could've been in there.

operating under the assumption that an attempt wasn't made at all in vegas, i would agree with you dead on.

Yeah, that's the scenario I was imagining.

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

2pac should of never been fighting in the 1st place


a rapper doesnt need 2 get in fights

lets the outlaws deal with that shyt


+ the scenario dante was saying is what i was thinking but non the less there is 2 many variables.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

2pac should of never been fighting in the 1st place


a rapper doesnt need 2 get in fights

lets the outlaws deal with that shyt

In a hitemup interview, Fatal voiced the exact same thing (which leads me to assume that you're familiar with it). Basically Fatal was saying that it shouldn't have been Pac to step to Orlando. Fatal knew that Suge had people (mostly Blood affiliates within the Death Row entourage) who could've done it, and Pac should've had people (Outlawz) who were present and should've been sent to do the dirty work instead. And in the event of Pac attacking Orlando, Fatal was also saying that it was up to the Outlawz to back up Pac and secure his safety, yet they were present neither at the fight nor in the same vehicle. He was also disappointed that they didn't even make an effort to go after the car. Also in the Beef DVD, Fatal admits that had he been there that night, he would've known what to do and things would've turned out differently.

 

[ThugPound]

In a hitemup interview, Fatal voiced the exact same thing (which leads me to assume that you're familiar with it). Basically Fatal was saying that it shouldn't have been Pac to step to Orlando. Fatal knew that Suge had people (mostly Blood affiliates within the Death Row entourage) who could've done it, and Pac should've had people (Outlawz) who were present and should've been sent to do the dirty work instead. And in the event of Pac attacking Orlando, Fatal was also saying that it was up to the Outlawz to back up Pac and secure his safety, yet they were present neither at the fight nor in the same vehicle. He was also disappointed that they didn't even make an effort to go after the car. Also in the Beef DVD, Fatal admits that had he been there that night, he would've known what to do and things would've turned out differently.

was it only pac who beat tha shit outta orland, or it was pac n suge?
Watchin da footage, i always though that guy wears the white suite comin from da other side was suge

 

[Local Star]

I often wonder what the Hip Hop scene would be like today if Pac was still around.

 

[ThugPound]

I often wonder what the Hip Hop scene would be like today if Pac was still around.

The Hip Hop scene Would be Nice As Fuck, No Lil Jon shit, No Southern Shit, No chingy, No SLimthug, lol

 

[Thug__Man]

i wonder how dope would be Pac's next album after Makaveli.

 

[goymz]

Counterfactual theories are boring.

...That's the big "what if" in case you don't know..

"What if Arch Duke Ferdinand hadn't....."

 

[Thug__Man]

i know that it is big "what if" and usually i don't put out theories like that,i was just refering to post above mine.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

was it only pac who beat tha shit outta orland, or it was pac n suge?
Watchin da footage, i always though that guy wears the white suite comin from da other side was suge

Pac swung first, then the rest of the Death Row entourage (Suge included) all got their punches and kicks in pretty much. In Frank Alexander's book, he says that immediately after Pac started fighting, he tried to pull Pac away from it.

 

[EDouble]

who was dude in white suit just random guy with em?

Shit does anybody have good footage of that fight or full footage or some shit.i always see just a lil swing shot of it, can't make out anythin and starts with them rushin orlando to the floor then everybody on him. guy in white round other side kickin him. then it goes back around then the clip changes to all them floodin out casino with suge and pac up front.

Oh & did it have audio? i always remember hearin about some shit with suge tellin pac to take his vest off (but then heard that hapened Earlier before the fight). and back to the surveilance always remember them talkin about orlando standin there and it catchin pac and everybody comin up and catch pac askin if he was from the south.
...
So i guess the video does have audiolol

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Shit does anybody have good footage of that fight or full footage or some shit.

The footage that we have all seen is basically as good as the original recording. Remember, it was filmed with an MGM security camera--one of literally thousands--that isn't intended to record things in great detail.

Oh & did it have audio? i always remember hearin about some shit with suge tellin pac to take his vest off (but then heard that hapened Earlier before the fight). and back to the surveilance always remember them talkin about orlando standin there and it catchin pac and everybody comin up and catch pac askin if he was from the south.

Security cameras don't have microphones, so I'm guessing no. Yes, Suge suggested to Pac that he not wear his bulletproof vest (since Vegas is hot as hell), but that didn't happen in between the boxing match and the scuffle, much less at MGM, since Pac wasn't wearing his vest to begin with (apparent from pictures of him that night in his halfway-buttoned orange shirt). From what I recall, Pac's contemplation of whether or not to wear his vest wasn't until after the fight when Pac changed into his green basketball jersey at another location.

 

[EDouble]

who said all of that?was the source of all of it in franks book?
Lol i just remember it always bein said 'captured on camera was..' etc. and words pac said. How come the footage thats circulated don't include pac approachin too didn't a camera catch that like said.

Anyway I'm guesin the cams in mgm had motion detection@

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

who said all of that?was the source of all of it in franks book?
Lol i just remember it always bein said 'captured on camera was..' etc. and words pac said. How come the footage thats circulated don't include pac approachin too didn't a camera catch that like said.

Anyway I'm guesin the cams in mgm had motion detection@

The cameras can swivel around, controlled by the security guys up in the booth watching all the monitors. I'm guessing that the camera was facing a different direction and either a portion of the fight was visible at the end of the screen or a security guard on the casino floor radio'd in the incident, leading to the camera focusing on the incident at hand, the entourage bailing out, and a group of security guards getting there too late.

 

[miqalive]

intresting!

 

[ThugPound]

Thankz 4 the info's deeznuuts..Mad respect homie

 

[d0neh]

You can see the whole security tape in "Welcome to Death Row" DVD. It's in special features. Quality isnt great but its better than in the web version of it.

Its like Deeznuts said, those cameras swiveled around. In the footage theres few cameras taping Orlando's path [time 20:48:30]. Then it goes to the famous camera wich taped the fight. First the camera was pointed to the place where fight took over.. Orlando wasnt there.. Guess he was behind the fountain thing or coming behind corner. Camera turned to left taping some random people [time 20:49:30]. Then ppl start panicing and running and then camera pointed back and there was a fight.. Same camera taped when pac left from the fight. And then theres several other cameras taping pac's whole trip out the casino.

Funny thing about the security was that there were 2 guys just watching when fight took over.. 1 guy used radio for back up or something. Then they both ran after pac's grew. This one cam was taping a point where there were like 8 security personnel before pac and the others went by and they didnt even try to stop them.. think they just joined to the escort. Makes me wonder why didnt they try to stop the grew and try to solve the fight or something.

2nd.. Looking allllll those cameras that followed pac when he left you can see that there really is camera in every possible position in that casino. You think that there would be atleast 1 camera taping pacs crew and 1 where you can see Orlando right before fight but no.. why's that?

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Funny thing about the security was that there were 2 guys just watching when fight took over.. 1 guy used radio for back up or something. Then they both ran after pac's grew. This one cam was taping a point where there were like 8 security personnel before pac and the others went by and they didnt even try to stop them.. think they just joined to the escort. Makes me wonder why didnt they try to stop the grew and try to solve the fight or something.

What would you do if you're a random guy--in this case, an unarmed security guard--and an entourage of around ten big-ass black guys looking like a football team were pummelling somebody? You don't get involved, unless you're willing to get pummelled alongside the unlucky guy. If a cop sees a gangfight, he doesn't just jump in the middle with his badge and yells "stop," he calls for backup first.

2nd.. Looking allllll those cameras that followed pac when he left you can see that there really is camera in every possible position in that casino. You think that there would be atleast 1 camera taping pacs crew and 1 where you can see Orlando right before fight but no.. why's that?

Although security cameras are intended to help oversee the casino and all of its operations, their main concern is that they're not losing money (which is why most cameras are focusing on the dealers and players, making sure that nobody is stealing chips or cheating). Not to sound harsh, but the truth is that casinos could care less about some black guys getting in a scuffle if the hotel isn't losing any money as a result of it. We're lucky enough that a couple cameras filmed the fight and the entourage's exit. I wouldn't expect tons of cameras filming their every movement, no hotel would ever be impractical enough to dedicate that much of their security resources just to videotape a beatdown that doesn't compromise their cash flow.

 

[radkin]

Looking at those pics of the beemer it's amazing to think that not a single round hit Suge, how many rounds were actually fired on the vehicle? he's one lucky guy.

Also those pics really bring home the whole reality of the situation.