This really just proves my point about American Education.
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He misinterpreted what Gotti said about saying something to get a specific reaction as meaning that Gotti doesn't mean what he says, which is wrong, and believes that he and I "make excuses" when we get "called out" or some such nonsense.
Totally missed the point, because it's not even about
the statement, but the way it's presented and the amusement of the reaction it brings. Some people care more than others about debating minutiae in order to try and negate a valid point. Initiating that reaction itself can be amusing.
I actually don't even know what he's talking about in regards to me. I've never once been called out with any validity for saying "dumb shit" and if anyone believes otherwise I would ask for an example of such an occasion.
Also, Gotti is a very intelligent guy also and one of the most chill people on this board.
Totally missed the point, because it's not even about
the statement, but the way it's presented and the amusement of the reaction it brings. Some people care more than others about debating minutiae in order to try and negate a valid point. Initiating that reaction itself can be amusing.
I actually don't even know what he's talking about in regards to me. I've never once been called out with any validity for saying "dumb shit" and if anyone believes otherwise I would ask for an example of such an occasion.
Also, Gotti is a very intelligent guy also and one of the most chill people on this board.
Its always been like this. People used to expect my grandfather to send money back all the time cause he now lived in North America and thought he was rich. Yet he was doing 10 hr days in a shitty factory just to have something for himself. Even worse is, you could be born there, but once you head back - You're not one of 'them' anymore, you're just an American or whatnot (obviously it's a generalization, but its pretty common with the older generation). Kad si u dijaspora, svud si stranac. Don't get me wrong, I love the Balkans and the people whether they're in Croatia, Bosnia or Serbia (fuck Slovenia though), but one thing is for sure - many of them are self entitled lazy pricks, and the youngins who want to accomplish anything can't because of the situation there at the moment. /rant
I think Japan works more than anywhere in the world. It's nothing new for a man to die from exhaustion there. That being said, there are some cultural (and legal) reasons for that. Just one example that may apply to married men and the need to work hard. In Japan, a married woman has the legal right to divorce you if she feels that you're not providing enough for her or her family. The same can't be done vice-versa though. Shit really hits the fan if a child is in the mix too...
The Chinese too. It's just that they're aren't quite as able to focus that work in a specific direction that would lead to a major economic success. Those who work the hardest usually become gears in huge money-making machines ma naged by westerners, Asians with western experience or outstanding individuals (which is rare for Asians).
These stem from the cultural differences. The main one being - East Asians are pre-programmed to live for the greater good and wellbeing of their society so this motivates them to work. It's on another extreme from the American mentality which is about "me".
These stem from the cultural differences. The main one being - East Asians are pre-programmed to live for the greater good and wellbeing of their society so this motivates them to work. It's on another extreme from the American mentality which is about "me".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17155304
Look at that chart and where Poland is. LOL
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=LEVEL#
US is top 5 in productivity, top 15 or 20 in hours worked. I think it's 2010 data. Poles seem to work long hours but apparently they just kinda chill out lol.
Look at that chart and where Poland is. LOL
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=LEVEL#
US is top 5 in productivity, top 15 or 20 in hours worked. I think it's 2010 data. Poles seem to work long hours but apparently they just kinda chill out lol.
I think you guys are going by charts. Do you really think the US population works harder than the people in China and India? Just because the graphs in your economics class says that is the case doesn't make it true. I don't think sweatshops publish weekly graphs showing productivity and death in service numbers.
I'm not debating who works hardest between USA and Poland. But countries with very few Human Rights laws will definitely be working the hardest, so the western world can get their Nikes, and they won't be shouting it from the rooftops.
I'm not debating who works hardest between USA and Poland. But countries with very few Human Rights laws will definitely be working the hardest, so the western world can get their Nikes, and they won't be shouting it from the rooftops.
These graphs are irrelevant, they barely show how much money these people make for the time that they work. You can't really compare the amount of money Americans vs the Chinese (per capita) make, can you? Do you really believe that it shows how much work a person does? I mean, I'm surprised that you've just used that as your argument. It's not that companies build their factories in countries like China, Thailand or even Poland or Slovakia for no reason. It's because people work more BUT the labor cost is lower. Isn't this obvious?
If it comes to the culture it's what Pittsey said plus what I mentioned - Americans know how to work for their money.
I work in an international (American) company with Americans and with Asians and no way in hell I'd ever accept that Americans work harder than the Japanese or Chinese. I've studied with Americans and the Japanese and again, same story. Actually it has been one of my main observations that the Japanese and Chinese are hardcore workers. Americans never work a lot where I'm at but they're always down to business, where the money's at.
I've met a girl that had worked in a Chinese factory. 15 hours a day, 6 days a week and worked on Sundays too but "as a hobby". They had 15 minute breakf every 4 hours. Other than that they weren't allowed to sit down - pretty hardcore work.
She used to see her family once a few years and wouldn't go outside at all. She said that it's pretty normal. She worked hard, yet didn't make much money. It's what happens to millions of the Chinese. That's how you get your shoes and why the CEO of Nike gets paid more than the whole Chinese factory combined. Does he work harder than 10 thousand Chinese people from a factory manufacturing those shoes?
I didn't even mention Poland but since we're studying this example I can speak for my country. It's more about Polish companies, especially public that make people do unproductive things. It's often hard work but not always necessary work. We have public administration and dying public companies where people work long hours and do hardcore but rather pointless work. Because the top management sucks, because of corruption, because the government is silly etc.
But on another hand seeing someone work as hard as some Poles do who really work for a reasonable goal is a rare sight. They earn funny money here, they move abroad where jobs are easier and pay far more, and most foreigners I've met that had Polish workers usually said great things about them. Usually the laziest bums move abroad - to Germany, England, the Netherlands (recently) and anyway they're said to be great workers compared to "lazy locals", then those locals complain that they're taking all the jobs.
Also I don't want to sound like an asshole but my university thesis on one of my majors is about the differences between Japan and the western world concerning project management in those countries. The Japanese simply work much harder. It's in their culture.
If it comes to the culture it's what Pittsey said plus what I mentioned - Americans know how to work for their money.
I work in an international (American) company with Americans and with Asians and no way in hell I'd ever accept that Americans work harder than the Japanese or Chinese. I've studied with Americans and the Japanese and again, same story. Actually it has been one of my main observations that the Japanese and Chinese are hardcore workers. Americans never work a lot where I'm at but they're always down to business, where the money's at.
I've met a girl that had worked in a Chinese factory. 15 hours a day, 6 days a week and worked on Sundays too but "as a hobby". They had 15 minute breakf every 4 hours. Other than that they weren't allowed to sit down - pretty hardcore work.
She used to see her family once a few years and wouldn't go outside at all. She said that it's pretty normal. She worked hard, yet didn't make much money. It's what happens to millions of the Chinese. That's how you get your shoes and why the CEO of Nike gets paid more than the whole Chinese factory combined. Does he work harder than 10 thousand Chinese people from a factory manufacturing those shoes?
I didn't even mention Poland but since we're studying this example I can speak for my country. It's more about Polish companies, especially public that make people do unproductive things. It's often hard work but not always necessary work. We have public administration and dying public companies where people work long hours and do hardcore but rather pointless work. Because the top management sucks, because of corruption, because the government is silly etc.
But on another hand seeing someone work as hard as some Poles do who really work for a reasonable goal is a rare sight. They earn funny money here, they move abroad where jobs are easier and pay far more, and most foreigners I've met that had Polish workers usually said great things about them. Usually the laziest bums move abroad - to Germany, England, the Netherlands (recently) and anyway they're said to be great workers compared to "lazy locals", then those locals complain that they're taking all the jobs.
Also I don't want to sound like an asshole but my university thesis on one of my majors is about the differences between Japan and the western world concerning project management in those countries. The Japanese simply work much harder. It's in their culture.
It's not that the locals are lazy. The jobs that the Polish end up doing are jobs that the locals feel they are too good to do. You don't find English people cleaning toilets. It was a job that was done traditionally by previous minority labour workers, such as Indians, these people have now advanced their social status and consider the job underneath them. Most are at least 3rd generation immigrants now and so have the same mentally as the locals.
Personally, I do about a 36 hour week. And I consider that too many.....
I am looking for a job where I can cut that down to 20-25 hours. Work smart, not hard.
Personally, I do about a 36 hour week. And I consider that too many.....
I am looking for a job where I can cut that down to 20-25 hours. Work smart, not hard.
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