Sudanese Protest, Call For British Teacher's Execution

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Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."

In response to the protests, Gillian Gibbons was moved from the women's prison near Khartoum to a secret location, her chief lawyer Kamal al-Gizouli said shortly after visiting her to discuss the verdict.

"They moved this lady from the prison department to put her in other hands and in other places to cover her and wait until she completes her imprisonment period," he said, adding that she was in good health. "They want by hook or by crook to complete these nine days without any difficulties which would have an impact on their foreign relationship."

The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gibbons, who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.

In central Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace, hundreds of riot police were deployed, although they did not try to stop the rally.
"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.

They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."


Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes — but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.

A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.

"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.

"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.

"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.
Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.

The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position — facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.
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hizzle?

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And that is why I'll never go to Africa.

I'll probably let a Muslim joke out one day which will get me exectued by the firing squad while being hanged.

Worst thing is that I'm Muslim by family :laugh:
 
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see, this is what i will never understand. it is ok to name any old person Muhammed (it is the most common name in that part of the world) but it is not ok for children to name a beloved Teddy bear the same thing? considering the fact that most of these children (if not all of them) more than likely have relatives and loved ones with that name. but if it is such a sacred name, why can anyone give that name to their children? if these people are calling for this teacher to be executed, they should also be calling for the children to be executed as well, since they were the ones to name the bear, not the teacher. seriously, how is allowing children to name a teddy bear Muhammed an insult to Islam?

i'm sure i'll get hatred for this line, but when muslims act like this, it's no wonder they have such hatred and bias against them.
 

Preach

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it actually makes perfect sense.

naming a child after him is an honor. actually, naming your children after their fathers or after respected figures has been tradition for centuries. when you name your child muhammed, you are doing so in honor of muhammed the prophet (or whatever). just think about it. a new-born child, birth of life, all that spiritual shit.

now before i say more, i have NO real clue about islam. all of this is based upon assumptions. your average teddy bear, beyond being a product of the western world it wouldn't surprise me if it was considered "unholy". why would someone need a teddy bear? because they are scared or have problems dealing with detatchment. only "weak" people would carry around a teddy bear. being such, i doubt teddy bears are highly regarded in the middle east.

but what i think ticked everybody off is that the teddy bear being a materialistic thing that one can own, would become a symbol of muhammed or would represent muhammed if you named it such. honoring him is one thing, but in islam you are not allowed to depict anyone or anything godly.
 
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but we are talking about children here! the children named the teddy bear, not the teacher. but it's the teacher's fault and she should be put to death? bullshit!

i understand the religious implications of the name Muhammed, but to me, if you name your child Muhammed, and he grows up and turns out to be an evil killing monster, is that not an insult to Islam? to have this monster of a human being named after the blessed prophet?

chances are, the children wanted to name the bear Muhammed, not for religious reasons, but for a reason i previously stated, they more than likely have a relative or a loved one with that name and want ed to show respect for that person by naming their bear after them. plenty of kids do that all the time, name their stuffed animals after real people in their life. in short, i just think muslims take this name shit way too seriously.
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
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Do Muslims like these not realize that behaving in such a manner, especially on this scale, It only increases hate towards Islam?
 

Preach

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but we are talking about children here! the children named the teddy bear, not the teacher. but it's the teacher's fault and she should be put to death? bullshit!

i understand the religious implications of the name Muhammed, but to me, if you name your child Muhammed, and he grows up and turns out to be an evil killing monster, is that not an insult to Islam? to have this monster of a human being named after the blessed prophet?

chances are, the children wanted to name the bear Muhammed, not for religious reasons, but for a reason i previously stated, they more than likely have a relative or a loved one with that name and want ed to show respect for that person by naming their bear after them. plenty of kids do that all the time, name their stuffed animals after real people in their life. in short, i just think muslims take this name shit way too seriously.
well yeah, personally it doesnt matter if it were a teddy bear or a piece of poo, and it doesn't matter if it were children or the teacher that committed the act, the whole thing is stupid altogether. but within the frame that we are talking about people who don't think the way we do, i think i offered a somewhat good explanation. the thing in my explanation that immediately makes you wanna challenge it is the very same thing that made people in sudan immediately go "kill her!" and therein lies the real problem.

it is the teacher's fault because children do not know any better but an adult teacher "should".

and that example of someone named muhammed growing up, well, it's reasonable of the gods to expect you not to belittle them by comparing them to anything earthly, because this is something everyone possesses the ability to do. it's not reasonable, however, to expect a parent to know whether or not their child will grow up to be a good person. if a muslim named muhammed grows up to be a killer machine, no, he is not honoring him, but the honoring lies in the act of naming your child muhammed. the parent is honoring muhammed, not the child after it reaches adulthood.

but just to make it very clear, i am not using my own logic to reply right now. i'm completely with you.
 

Preach

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Do Muslims like these not realize that behaving in such a manner, especially on this scale, It only increases hate towards Islam?
the thing about islam that i haven't figured out yet due to lack of people to ask is, does islam encourage its followers to do justice upon other muslims who are guilty of sin?

or in other words, does islam empower its followers with the ability and the right to judge between good and evil and take action as they see fit?

because if not, the better point would be: do muslims like these not realize that they are likely committing more sins than the person they are looking to punish just in their bestial hunt for justice, and that they will probably go further into hell than the sinner him/herself?
 

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