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Even if they did, women can't read so it wouldn't have mattered.
I can't say I'm a fan of the Golfs. I don't like cars that small, which basically translates to hatchbacks. I'm a big guy, I'm sure I would offset any perks of the car being small, light, and low. If you're under 6', then I guess it's fine, but there isn't a hatch out there that I would buy over the cars I've had so far.
I can't say I'm a fan of the Golfs. I don't like cars that small, which basically translates to hatchbacks. I'm a big guy, I'm sure I would offset any perks of the car being small, light, and low. If you're under 6', then I guess it's fine, but there isn't a hatch out there that I would buy over the cars I've had so far.
Funny that you say that about those brands. Within the U.S. market, the Lexus ES is the same thing as the Camry but with different sheet metal and a nicer interior. However, while you feel that there isn't a clear difference between Nissan and Infiniti, they don't have any models that are as closely related as the ES/Camry... with the exception of their SUVs, of course.
The Pathfinder/Armada aren't like the QX? What, SUVs aren't cars anymore? The FX is the Murano, the G35 and the 350Z are somewhat the same. I mean, the correlation in looks between the ES and the Camry is slim to none. The basic shape is different, but the lights, the engines, the interior like you mentioned, and the ride quality is different. It's not quite rebadging. Is the LS like the Avalon or is the GS? They share alot of similarities, Lexus and Toyota, but the cars don't look as similar to each other as the other brands do. The LX and GX resemble the Land Cruiser and 4Runner respectively, but they're SUVs, like the Nissan and Infiniti's were.
What GM did to Opel as a Saturn seems to be literally taking one badge off and putting in another.
What GM did to Opel as a Saturn seems to be literally taking one badge off and putting in another.
Obviously you weren't paying attention when I said with the exception of their SUVs. I know they're similar.
If you think the G35 and the 350Z are "somewhat the same" while saying that the similarities between the Lexus ES and Toyota Camry are "slim to none," then you're cracked out. Let's get a few things straight between these cars:
G35/350Z
ES/Camry
So yes, Toyota put in more effort in making their Camry different from the Lexus ES compared to what some American companies do, but it's still the same bitch wearing a different dress.
If you think the G35 and the 350Z are "somewhat the same" while saying that the similarities between the Lexus ES and Toyota Camry are "slim to none," then you're cracked out. Let's get a few things straight between these cars:
G35/350Z
- They have very unique profiles compared to each other.
- For the better part of their lifespans, they've been powered by engines tuned slightly differently, hence the varying hp and torque outputs throughout the years.
- They ride on completely different wheelbases and share nothing significant, inside or out.
ES/Camry
- They have very similar profiles compared to each other.
- They have the exact same engine and transmission with identical specs.
- Beneath the sheetmetal (which is already pretty darn similar), everything under it is the same.
So yes, Toyota put in more effort in making their Camry different from the Lexus ES compared to what some American companies do, but it's still the same bitch wearing a different dress.
Obviously you weren't paying attention when I said with the exception of their SUVs. I know they're similar.
If you think the G35 and the 350Z are "somewhat the same" while saying that the similarities between the Lexus ES and Toyota Camry are "slim to none," then you're cracked out. Let's get a few things straight between these cars:
G35/350Z
ES/Camry
So yes, Toyota put in more effort in making their Camry different from the Lexus ES compared to what some American companies do, but it's still the same bitch wearing a different dress.
If you think the G35 and the 350Z are "somewhat the same" while saying that the similarities between the Lexus ES and Toyota Camry are "slim to none," then you're cracked out. Let's get a few things straight between these cars:
G35/350Z
- They have very unique profiles compared to each other.
- For the better part of their lifespans, they've been powered by engines tuned slightly differently, hence the varying hp and torque outputs throughout the years.
- They ride on completely different wheelbases and share nothing significant, inside or out.
ES/Camry
- They have very similar profiles compared to each other.
- They have the exact same engine and transmission with identical specs.
- Beneath the sheetmetal (which is already pretty darn similar), everything under it is the same.
So yes, Toyota put in more effort in making their Camry different from the Lexus ES compared to what some American companies do, but it's still the same bitch wearing a different dress.
The G35 and the 350Z's similarities come out more when you view them from the side. The arch roof the lights; it's not much more different than what the ES and the Camry share in common. The difference between the two is the interior, and you can tell when you're in a Lexus and then a Camry.
We've been nitpicking at the ES and the Camry, but what else does Lexus make that looks like its Toyota counterpart? The ES was the best example, and even then the physical differences aren't that apparent. The Camry doesn't give as smooth of a ride as the ES, so the transmission can't just be simply plopped from one and into the other and be called the same. The ES, I'm sure, has a fine-tuned engine and tranny than the Camry.
Are you really that naive?
From the side, the roof of the 350Z visually appears "taller" while the back end slopes downward more steeply.
Meanwhile, the Camry and ES...
Also, that BS about the interior applies to the 350Z and G35 as well, though it doesn't really matter considering they are completely different cars, especially compared to how similar the Camry is to the ES, and historically, it's always been that way. Look at the 1997 models, back when it was painfully obvious.
Actually it's the ONLY example when talking about their cars available for U.S. consumption.
Well, actually the engines and transmissions are virtually identical, so you're wrong there. I don't understand why you think that the ES has some special "fine-tuned" hardware.
From the side, the roof of the 350Z visually appears "taller" while the back end slopes downward more steeply.
Meanwhile, the Camry and ES...
Also, that BS about the interior applies to the 350Z and G35 as well, though it doesn't really matter considering they are completely different cars, especially compared to how similar the Camry is to the ES, and historically, it's always been that way. Look at the 1997 models, back when it was painfully obvious.
Actually it's the ONLY example when talking about their cars available for U.S. consumption.
Well, actually the engines and transmissions are virtually identical, so you're wrong there. I don't understand why you think that the ES has some special "fine-tuned" hardware.
The ES is more of a luxury car than the Camry do I can imagine they fettled with the suspension to make it smoother. I'm quite sure they didnt meddle with the trans. and engine. Messing with that doesn't give you a smooth ride anyway.
THey'll have use some more high quality materials in the ES, probably. As the more luxurious car, the ES will be "nicer".
Mechanically, however, the two cars are almost identical.
THey'll have use some more high quality materials in the ES, probably. As the more luxurious car, the ES will be "nicer".
Mechanically, however, the two cars are almost identical.
Well, I guess with that pic the ES and the Camry look a little more similar than I thought. But what I was getting at was the 350Z and the G35 roof being basically the same. Sure they can change the "angle" of the slant of the roof, the same way they can change the position of the reverse lights on the ES and Camry to differentiate between the two, but both examples show the extent of rebadging. There are more examples in the US of cars of different manufacturers but same conglomeration of makes where the cars are basically the same as another make, just with some minor tweaks.
The reason I said the transmission or engine might be fine-tuned is because they list the ES as having a couple more HP than the Camry.
The reason I said the transmission or engine might be fine-tuned is because they list the ES as having a couple more HP than the Camry.
So how is the roof "basically the same" if they change the angle and slant of the roof? They're not even the same size, especially considering the 350Z roof is for a two-seater and the G35 roof is for a 2+2. Changing the sheetmetal to fit different shaped taillights is far easier. But again, the 350Z and G35 are NOT rebadged versions of each other. Get that through your skull.
Most definitely not. "Fine-tuning" an engine would create a much more significant difference.
Most definitely not. "Fine-tuning" an engine would create a much more significant difference.
Well they aren't lliterally "rebadged" but the idea behind the two is the same. They share a similar platform, there are some similarities between the two. Is the ES and the Camry exactly the same height, length, etc.? They change the sheet metal and the parts inside are of a much higher quality. Also, the ride of an ES and a Camry are very different. What I'm trying to say is not that the 350Z and G35 are redbadged, but that the changes between the two are about the same as the ES and Camry, so if the ES is considered rebadged, the G35 or G35 should be as well.
This the point Deez and make are trying to make:
Where the ES and Camry are rebadges where one version is merely "nicer" than the other, the G35 and 350Z are totally different cars that share only a basic exterior shape and engine block. Yes they come from the same manufacturer, but they're two different cars with two different ideas. And even though they're from the same manufacturer, they have no real similarities apart from the basic exterior shape (and by that logic, a 5-series and E-class are the same as well).
Where the ES and Camry are rebadges where one version is merely "nicer" than the other, the G35 and 350Z are totally different cars that share only a basic exterior shape and engine block. Yes they come from the same manufacturer, but they're two different cars with two different ideas. And even though they're from the same manufacturer, they have no real similarities apart from the basic exterior shape (and by that logic, a 5-series and E-class are the same as well).
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