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I remember I was talking on the phone with a girl who I worked with as she was driving, and she was talking about some crazy looking Porsche, and I knew exactly what she was talking about. I could hear the car through her phone as she had her windows up.
Last week, I was behind a purple Ferrari 599GTB Fiorano, those things sound mean.
Last week, I was behind a purple Ferrari 599GTB Fiorano, those things sound mean.
We don't have any official figures of the 370Z yet, so it's hard to say. But I'd think that at the very least, it'll be an even match, but if not, the 370Z would be quicker since it's even lighter than the outgoing 350Z, while the 335i is almost 3600 pounds. That's nearly a 500 pound difference (according to estimates), while the 370Z will have north of 330 hp (probably 340-350) while revving to 7500 rpm or so. However, I'm sure BMW could strike back with a more aggressively tuned motor for the next model year with enough firepower to beat it.
The 335i is rated at the high 4's right? 4.7-4.9? We'll go back to the 350Z since the 370 isn't out yet. Straightline as well as around a track with it's legendary handling, BMW beating the 350Z?
And I dunno if I asked this earlier, but having a 0-60 time in the 5's is considered well-above average. What is an a comparable 1/4 mile number?
And I dunno if I asked this earlier, but having a 0-60 time in the 5's is considered well-above average. What is an a comparable 1/4 mile number?
The 335i's 0-60 mph acceleration times are about what you had posted. If the numbers end up being true (last I heard was 338 hp, 270 lb.-ft and 3144 pounds, sourced from a Nissan focus group), then 0-60 in the high-4s and a quarter-mile in the high-12s MIGHT be possible.
However, I heard a rumor that there is a BMW 350i (still a twin-turbo 3.0-liter I-6 but more powerful) on the way to counter cars like this.
However, I heard a rumor that there is a BMW 350i (still a twin-turbo 3.0-liter I-6 but more powerful) on the way to counter cars like this.
Would they change that fast? The model numbers I mean. The 335 is from 2007 and still is here for 2009. Maybe they will make a 350. I know most BMW numbers aren't assigned according to a hard and fast rule, but a 350 would mean a 4.0L+ engine according to recent models. Wouldn't that be the M3? 335 could turn to a 338 or a 340, but that just looks awkward. Whatever. I love how car companies release their cars to beat the BMW counterpart when that specific model is on its way out, i.e. the M5 vs. CTS-V when the E60 becomes the F10 in 2010 or so. The E92 though is rather recent. I wonder what they will do about it.
Also, is it true the N54 engines use turbos from Mitsubishi? I think I remember reading that somewhere. I'll try to find it.
Also, is it true the N54 engines use turbos from Mitsubishi? I think I remember reading that somewhere. I'll try to find it.
^ Actually, on another forum I was talking about how while the 340i name would be more fitting, it definitely doesn't sound as nice as 335i or 350i. But it just doesn't seem right and kind of makes the whole naming method pointless at this point.
At the same time, I'm sure they want to neuter the car enough so it doesn't threaten the M3. In that case, expect the engine to be artificially limited, so you'll see a broad but flat torque curve. And by flat, I mean plateau flat, which is usually indicative of the ECU tuning deliberately limiting output. It's the same thing that Porsche did with the Cayman S engine so it didn't steal the 911's thunder.
At the same time, I'm sure they want to neuter the car enough so it doesn't threaten the M3. In that case, expect the engine to be artificially limited, so you'll see a broad but flat torque curve. And by flat, I mean plateau flat, which is usually indicative of the ECU tuning deliberately limiting output. It's the same thing that Porsche did with the Cayman S engine so it didn't steal the 911's thunder.
Ah, yes, RS6 flat.
I've always thought companies holding back performance of a car to stop cutting into their own shoes is, apart from a good business move, fucking whack.
Take the Cayman you exampled (lol @ exampled). Hypothetically, this is the superior car as opposed to the 911, which, if we're honest, has the engine in the wrong place.
But they held the Cayman back to not shark out a part of the 911's market share. lol
The 911 is a real legend, and Porsche's skill has made it a excellent car, but c'mon. The engine swinging over the rear axle is not good. Even the current, most modern Porsches are still a bit snappy I hear when you really find the limit.
Give me a big bag of money and a ticket to Zuffenhausen, I know which Porsche I'd bring back!
On the 370z vs. Beemer thing, you can't really know until you launch them side by side. You can predict based on the spec figures, but if it's close in numbers there's no real way of telling which car would be faster unless you race them. There's so many factors to take into account. Weight being a big one (granted, weight is still a number), gear ratios are very important, the actual off-the-line grip of the entire car (not just the tires), the gearbox itself, the way the engine delivers it's power. Etc etc etc.
Maybe you could make an accurate prediction if you had all (and i mean ALL) the raw data on both cars and you're an absoute stonking physics legend. But otherwise, it's just...throwing eggs in a hatchery.
If SH were an old CD, your posts sounded like it was skipping like crazy.
Anyways, so if we're talking the Cayman, if one installed an ECU remap, it could put close to 911 numbers or better? I always thought all Porsches looked the same, but now it seems the difference is in drivetrain location (MR, mid-engine AWD, etc.).
And I made a mistake in mentioning the 370, switch that to a 350 which is already out and has been raced.
Anyways, so if we're talking the Cayman, if one installed an ECU remap, it could put close to 911 numbers or better? I always thought all Porsches looked the same, but now it seems the difference is in drivetrain location (MR, mid-engine AWD, etc.).
And I made a mistake in mentioning the 370, switch that to a 350 which is already out and has been raced.
^ Sort of. They're still two completely different engines; the Cayman S has a 3.4-liter and the Porsche 911 (not 911 S) has a 3.6-liter. Was it a coincidence that the Cayman S was rated smack-dab in the middle of the Boxter and 911? I think not. Fully unleashing the 3.4-liter would definitely yield some extra power, but it wouldn't be on par with the 3.6-liter. However, it would be close enough in terms of actual performance to be a threat and potentially steal sales. The fact that the car should actually handle better due to its layout and chassis engineering doesn't help either.
It won't be as much of a deal with the 335i/350i (or whatever they call it) and the M3 since they're based on the same car, so it's impossible for the non-M model to handle as well without the same upgrades.
It won't be as much of a deal with the 335i/350i (or whatever they call it) and the M3 since they're based on the same car, so it's impossible for the non-M model to handle as well without the same upgrades.
Most BMWs are known for their handling. The 3-Series and 5-Series have always been the industry benchmarks for their respective niches when it comes to handling, though only recently have competitors (particularly Mercedes and Infiniti) started to catch up, though BMW generally wins in that category. Their standard setups in their regular cars are a VERY good compromise between comfort and performance, plus the cars always look like they're lowered when in fact that's just how their stock suspensions sit. I'm a fan of all of that.
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