Neurosis and/or depression

[masta247]

the whole idea with psychological treatment, for it to work most efficiently, is to plant seeds in your head by merely commenting and questioning your methods of thinking. the old make-you-think-it-was-your-idea routine.

I think that's how bad/lazy psychologists/therapists work.
Good ones will try to make you change the way you're thinking.
If you see something grey as dark they will make you see it as something bright.
But you're right that they won't question when you already see something as bright even if it's not of course.

 

[Preach]

Well..

Yeah, like I said, they comment to some of the things you say if they feel it necessary, but more importantly, they ask you questions that (if they are good therapists) you haven't asked of yourself, or ask you a question that makes you look at something from a different point of view. In that sense we are both saying the same thing basically.

You can't force an idea onto someone though. Depressed and anxious/paranoid people normally can't help the way they feel. Depression is a cycled condition to be in. You deliberately, although maybe not knowingly, try to "keep yourself down" when you are depressed. When you fell down and someone simply tell you to "cheer up", that doesn't achieve anything. If it does you are not depressed anyhow. In fact, it could even have a discouraging effect, making one feel misunderstood or struggling with the inability to explain one's feelings to the others who "most likely wouldn't understand". So I would like to challenge your statement and say that, indeed, what a good doctor would do is, to let you do the work without knowing it so to speak. To plant little seeds in your head, that - as mentioned previously, assuming it's a good therapist - you work with yourself.

Anyway, remember that this is from my point of view. I'm not neurotic by far. This is the typical therapy that's practiced for your typical everyday man or woman with your typical everyday problem. In medicinal therapy the methods are different and you rely on closer follow-up. I had a friend who submitted himself to the very clinic i mentioned earlier, although he was "checked in" and lived there on a full-time basis. He had a curfew and a personal guardian.

 

[S O F I]

That is what I'm talking about, and I agree. I don't know if I made that clear or not, but you are completely right.

I'll speak for myself. I've smoked pot so long that normal everyday things bore the shit out of me. I was just sitting out in my living room with my mom and dad, my dad was doing some work and me and my mother put together a tv table while he put up a wall. It struck me that I don't ever want to do this, ever, for the rest of my life. Had I been high, I could have sat there for hours. Right now I'm in a state of withdrawal, so I'm gonna be a little but more pessimistic. In time it will even out, but I have gone for up to five months sober and even towards the end before i got high again (and in turn started smoking again) there was something not quite right.

There is no chemical imbalance, just memories, experiences, and most of all thoughts, so embedded in my head that I can't seem to get them out of my head. I will most likely be displeased, or "okay" at best, with a sober life and that is very sorry. Unless I make a fundamental change. You know, like, quit your job, tell all your friends you never really liked how you really feel about them, fuck your girl in the mouth and move to Kuala Lumpur-fundamental change. I'm not ready for that yet, so for me it's like.. I know that my everyday is worse than a lot of people. I will speak now within the domain that I live in. I could give a fuck about starved kids in Africa in the context of how I feel about myself on a day to day basis, and thus is human nature. I know that I suffer more than most of the friends in the group of people I hang out with. I often opt to sit alone at home vs. going out with a bunch of friends to see a movie or get a few beers. Now anybody who felt a little down and wanted some time for themselves know what I'm talking about, but this occurs every damn day... unless I get high.

However, I know exactly what's wrong with me, I know exactly what to do to fix it, I'm just too selfish/have too much on my plate/i'm out of excuses but i just don't feel like it yet. I do see a shrink, and I don't know what shrinks are like around the world but the clinic I go to impressed me. I go with this group, we go skiing once a week. There's a bunch of different people, different sex and ages, different problems. For me, the idea is to structure myself, to do something over time and hopefully experience that something I at first resented really isn't so bad. So I'm not getting a bunch of prescriptions and I'm not lying on some shrink's couch crying my heart out about how my mommy doesn't love me enough. We NEVER discuss personal shit in the group (unless someone suddenly brings something up, unlikely considering it's a group for people with mild emotional/mental instabilities). It's like a bunch of strangers coming together and just talking lol. But it's working so I'm not giving up on psychology and diagnosis entirely.

Why are you seeing a shrink?

I'd like to see a shrink just so I could talk, you know, hear something worth hearing and get asked something worth being asked. People are so plain these days, unless you encounter them whilst intoxicated, but even then they're more entertaining than intellectual.

 

[_carmi]

I tend to believe I suffer from MDD (Major Depression Disorder) as I get long periods where I'm depressed yearly but I don't wanna see a psychologists and nobody knows about my depressed periods.

 

[Preach]

That's the spirit!

Peace comes from within anyway.

 

[Da_Funk]

I don't, sorry.