NaS - Illmatic (2 Years) = Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (1 Week)

[Hellrazor1978]

Illmatic is far better.

Nope.

Lyrics - Illmatic, by the SLIGHTEST of margins

Production - 7 Day Theory easily

Subject matter - 7 Day Theory

Overall replay value - about equal, but 7 Day Theory is 20 minutes longer, so it gets the edge.

Mic presence and delivery - 7 Day Theory.....but Pac always had a better voice then Nas anyway.

Impact - Illmatic, because it brought back the east coast when DR was running things. 7 Day Theory had a major impact also, but it was more of an album that was extremely ahead of its time and it took a few years before some people realized just how brilliant it was.

Really, the only thing Illmatic has on 7 Day Theory is more impact. Everything else, Pac's masterpiece has the clear advantage. As I said before, he was untouchable in his prime.

 

[fannr1]

Naturally, the appearance of The Don Killuminati so shortly after Tupac's death led many conspiracy theorists to surmise the rapper was still alive, but it was all part of a calculated marketing strategy by Death Row -- the label needed something to sustain interest in the album, since the music on the album is so shoddy. All Eyez on Me proved that Tupac was continuing to grow as a musician and a human being, but The Don Killuminati erases that image by concentrating on nothing but tired G-funk beats and tiring, back-biting East Coast/West Coast rivalries. Tupac himself sounds uninterested in the music, which makes the conventional, unimaginative music all the more listless. If he had survived to complete The Don Killuminati, it is possible that the record could have become something worthwhile, but the overall quality of the material suggests that the album would have been a disappointment no matter what circumstances it appeared under.

This is a review some asshole wrote, he/she actually says all eyez on me is lyrically,emotionaly etc better, what an ignorant asshole...

 

[Chronic]

NaS - Illmatic (2 Years) = Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (1 We

Nope.

Lyrics - Illmatic, by the SLIGHTEST of margins

Production - 7 Day Theory easily

Subject matter - 7 Day Theory

Overall replay value - about equal, but 7 Day Theory is 20 minutes longer, so it gets the edge.

Mic presence and delivery - 7 Day Theory.....but Pac always had a better voice then Nas anyway.

Impact - Illmatic, because it brought back the east coast when DR was running things. 7 Day Theory had a major impact also, but it was more of an album that was extremely ahead of its time and it took a few years before some people realized just how brilliant it was.

Really, the only thing Illmatic has on 7 Day Theory is more impact. Everything else, Pac's masterpiece has the clear advantage. As I said before, he was untouchable in his prime.

Nope.

This is a review some asshole wrote, he/she actually says all eyez on me is lyrically,emotionaly etc better, what an ignorant asshole...

Lol at you getting angry and calling the guy an ignorant asshole because he doesn't like a Pac album. Boo fucking hoo.

Remember, it's down the stream, not across.

 

[fannr1]

NaS - Illmatic (2 Years) = Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (1 We

Remember, it's down the stream, not across.

lol, what did u mean by that (what does it mean)?
(english ain't my first language...)

 

[Davizz]

Illmatic is overrated

TRUE!
I'm a fan of Nas, I've bought almost all of his album but I hate when the New York people (like hip hop journalists) treat that album like the Bible.
It's a great album, but, for example, an album like Makaveli is way better.

 

[cdawg]

I've tried listening to that album. But I really do not like it. I suppose its all opinion and taste.

yeah i never got into this album either.....

 

[Da_Funk]

NaS - Illmatic (2 Years) = Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (1 We

Nope.

How exactly is illmatic better than the 7 day theory?

 

[Hellrazor1978]

^^^it isnt. Ive already broken down why in this thread TWICE.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

Naturally, the appearance of The Don Killuminati so shortly after Tupac's death led many conspiracy theorists to surmise the rapper was still alive, but it was all part of a calculated marketing strategy by Death Row -- the label needed something to sustain interest in the album, since the music on the album is so shoddy. All Eyez on Me proved that Tupac was continuing to grow as a musician and a human being, but The Don Killuminati erases that image by concentrating on nothing but tired G-funk beats and tiring, back-biting East Coast/West Coast rivalries. Tupac himself sounds uninterested in the music, which makes the conventional, unimaginative music all the more listless. If he had survived to complete The Don Killuminati, it is possible that the record could have become something worthwhile, but the overall quality of the material suggests that the album would have been a disappointment no matter what circumstances it appeared under.

This is a review some asshole wrote, he/she actually says all eyez on me is lyrically,emotionaly etc better, what an ignorant asshole...

Ive seen that review before. While im one who lets people have their own opinions, that reviewers opinion is DEFINATLY in the minority and is really reaching if you ask me. I mean, its pretty much a strong consensus that 7 Day Theory was Pac in his prime.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Ive seen that review before. While im one who lets people have their own opinions, that reviewers opinion is DEFINATLY in the minority and is really reaching if you ask me. I mean, its pretty much a strong consensus that 7 Day Theory was Pac in his prime.

I've seen it before too... part of me thinks it's from Entertainment Weekly, who gave the album a D- or something shitty like that. But I guess they were just expecting a party album with a few emotional songs in between.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

Like Deeznuts said it was Nas' first album, and Pac's last. If you were to compare 2pacalypse Now with Illmatic you'd have a different result.
I think between 94 and 96 music had changed so much, listening to albums from both era's there is a destinct difference in sounds. I personally think Illmatic takes the cake on this one, considering impact, lyricism and flow. Dont get me wrong 7 Day Theory is a masterpeice but Illmatic is the better album.

 

[Da_Funk]

^^^it isnt. Ive already broken down why in this thread TWICE.

I know it isnt better than Makaveli, I was just wonderin why Chronic thinks it is.

 

[RaDeK]

I know it isnt better than Makaveli, I was just wonderin why Chronic thinks it is.

You know it isn't? Everyone has their opinions. Talk about ignorance...

 

[collector123]

imagine if pac had taken his time on makaveli...

 

[RaDeK]

imagine if pac had taken his time on makaveli...

it probably wouldn't have been as good

 

[Chronic]

NaS - Illmatic (2 Years) = Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (1 We

^^^it isnt. Ive already broken down why in this thread TWICE.

I can't really discuss the beats. I don't wanna name drop but it's Premo, Pete Rock, Large Professor, Q-Tip and L.E.S. and they're doing what they do. (Please listen with headphones).

And about the rhyming?

First song on the album, "N.Y. State of Mind". Can you hear those drums? Can you hear that it's Premo?

Plus, none of the tracks on Illmatic can touch the intensity and sheer rawness of tracks like Bomb First or Life of an Outlaw.

Can those tracks fuck with the rawness of "N.Y. State of Mind"? That raw New York sound? Listen to the intro. You can picture Nas getting up to the mic, getting ready to rip shit. "Ey yo black it's time". "Begin". Then Nas comes in "Yeah, straight out the fucking dungeons of rap. Where fake niggaz don't make it back". He fucking says "I dunno how to start this shit". But then he goes off.

"Rappers I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin
Musician, inflictin composition
of pain I'm like Scarface sniffin cocaine
Holdin a M-16, see with the pen I'm extreme, now"

"Rappers I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin;

The vowels rhyme; assonance.

"Rappers I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin
Musician, inflictin composition"

Same thing. Also there's a repitition of endings. Both internal and external rhymes.

"of pain I'm like Scarface sniffin cocaine
Holdin a M-16, see with the pen I'm extreme, now"

Same thing. Also on both bars the seventeth syllable starts with 's'; alliteration.

"Bulletholes left in my peepholes
I'm suited up in street clothes
Hand me a nine and I'll defeat foes
Y'all know my steelo"

Assonance, internal and external rhymes.

with or without the airplay
I keep some E&J, sittin bent up in the stairway
Or either on the corner bettin Grants with the celo champs

Also airplay, E&J, Stairway. Again assonance and internal and external rhyming.

And he just keeps spitting and spitting.

"It drops deep as it does in my breath
I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death"

There's a shitload of quotables on this song but I wanted to drop this one.

Listen to the story Nas tells, take notice of all the details and see why he called it "N.Y. State of Mind".

This song kicks the album the fuck off.

Next song? "Life's a Bitch".

"Visualizin the realism of life and actuality
Fuck who's the baddest a person's status depends on salary
And my mentality is, money orientated
I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it"

Listen to AZ spit that shit. Just amazing. The lyrics, the flow, everything.

Some Jewels from Nas:

"I woke up early on my born day, I'm twenty years of blessing
The essence of adolescent leaves my body now I'm fresh in
My physical frame is celebrated cause I made it
One quarter through life some God-ly like thing created"

"I switched my motto -- instead of sayin fuck tomorrow
That buck that bought a bottle could've struck the lotto"

Next track. "The World is Yours". Amazing Pete Rock beat. Dope chorus as well lol. This beat is better than anything on Killumanti: The 7 Day Theory. Again Nas absolutely kills it. I'm not gonna go through every verse or every song but this album is simply amazing. It has some of the best lyrics in Hip-Hop.

60 minutes on the Makaveli album? "Toss it Up" is trash so that's down to 54 minutes. "Just Like Daddy" isn't very good. Pac and Yak's verses are okay. "Life of an Outlaw" isn't great either, except for Pac's verse. "Me and my Girlfriend" is dope but he got the concept from Nas ("I Gave You Power") who in turn got it from Organized Konfusion ("Stray Bullet").
Every verse Nas spits on Illmatic is great. Pac's emotion and all that and the message on some of the tracks is dope but you can tell he didn't take long to write that shit. So what if Nas took long to make his album? The music itself is all that matters. It might say something about the artists but it has nothing to do with the music.

I think Pac is a better rapper than Nas but Illmatic is simply that good. Nas' shit after that has not been on the same level and I've lost most interest in Nas but I give props where props are due.

If you prefer the Makaveli album because of the subject matter and Pac's emotion then that's cool but recognize that Illmatic is simply better than K:T7DT lyrically and production wise. Preference doesn't equal quality.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

^
Breakin it down, Repped!

 

[hulio]

I prefer Makaveli.Its all preference though. Nas has the edge on the complexity of his lyircs.But Pac's delivery and intensity shits on Nas'.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

NaS - Illmatic (2 Years) = Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (1 We

I can't really discuss the beats. I don't wanna name drop but it's Premo, Pete Rock, Large Professor, Q-Tip and L.E.S. and they're doing what they do. (Please listen with headphones).

And about the rhyming?

First song on the album, "N.Y. State of Mind". Can you hear those drums? Can you hear that it's Premo?



Can those tracks fuck with the rawness of "N.Y. State of Mind"? That raw New York sound? Listen to the intro. You can picture Nas getting up to the mic, getting ready to rip shit. "Ey yo black it's time". "Begin". Then Nas comes in "Yeah, straight out the fucking dungeons of rap. Where fake niggaz don't make it back". He fucking says "I dunno how to start this shit". But then he goes off.

"Rappers I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin
Musician, inflictin composition
of pain I'm like Scarface sniffin cocaine
Holdin a M-16, see with the pen I'm extreme, now"

"Rappers I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin;

The vowels rhyme; assonance.

"Rappers I monkey flip 'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin
Musician, inflictin composition"

Same thing. Also there's a repitition of endings. Both internal and external rhymes.

"of pain I'm like Scarface sniffin cocaine
Holdin a M-16, see with the pen I'm extreme, now"

Same thing. Also on both bars the seventeth syllable starts with 's'; alliteration.

"Bulletholes left in my peepholes
I'm suited up in street clothes
Hand me a nine and I'll defeat foes
Y'all know my steelo"

Assonance, internal and external rhymes.

with or without the airplay
I keep some E&J, sittin bent up in the stairway
Or either on the corner bettin Grants with the celo champs

Also airplay, E&J, Stairway. Again assonance and internal and external rhyming.

And he just keeps spitting and spitting.

"It drops deep as it does in my breath
I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death"

There's a shitload of quotables on this song but I wanted to drop this one.

Listen to the story Nas tells, take notice of all the details and see why he called it "N.Y. State of Mind".

This song kicks the album the fuck off.

Next song? "Life's a Bitch".

"Visualizin the realism of life and actuality
Fuck who's the baddest a person's status depends on salary
And my mentality is, money orientated
I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it"

Listen to AZ spit that shit. Just amazing. The lyrics, the flow, everything.

Some Jewels from Nas:

"I woke up early on my born day, I'm twenty years of blessing
The essence of adolescent leaves my body now I'm fresh in
My physical frame is celebrated cause I made it
One quarter through life some God-ly like thing created"

"I switched my motto -- instead of sayin fuck tomorrow
That buck that bought a bottle could've struck the lotto"

Next track. "The World is Yours". Amazing Pete Rock beat. Dope chorus as well lol. This beat is better than anything on Killumanti: The 7 Day Theory. Again Nas absolutely kills it. I'm not gonna go through every verse or every song but this album is simply amazing. It has some of the best lyrics in Hip-Hop.

60 minutes on the Makaveli album? "Toss it Up" is trash so that's down to 54 minutes. "Just Like Daddy" isn't very good. Pac and Yak's verses are okay. "Life of an Outlaw" isn't great either, except for Pac's verse. "Me and my Girlfriend" is dope but he got the concept from Nas ("I Gave You Power") who in turn got it from Organized Konfusion ("Stray Bullet").
Every verse Nas spits on Illmatic is great. Pac's emotion and all that and the message on some of the tracks is dope but you can tell he didn't take long to write that shit. So what if Nas took long to make his album? The music itself is all that matters. It might say something about the artists but it has nothing to do with the music.

I think Pac is a better rapper than Nas but Illmatic is simply that good. Nas' shit after that has not been on the same level and I've lost most interest in Nas but I give props where props are due.

If you prefer the Makaveli album because of the subject matter and Pac's emotion then that's cool but recognize that Illmatic is simply better than K:T7DT lyrically and production wise. Preference doesn't equal quality.

Toss It Up isnt trash, its just weak compared to the other songs on the album. Besides, Illmatic isnt perfect either. "One Time For Your Mind" is very average compared to the best songs on the album. There is no such thing as a perfect album.

And Makaveli isnt my personal preference between the two, I honestly feel it is the BETTER album (albeit by a small margin).

You really think Illmatic has better production than DK7?? I strongly disagree with that. Yea, it has Primo, Pete Rock and LES, all of which are great producers, but their beats on that album arent the best they've ever made. Primo's best beats, honestly, were with Gang Starr and MOP. His beats on the "Moment of Truth" album were AMAZING. His beats on Illmatic are great, but not really the beats id say he should necessarily be measured by. Same thing goes with Pete Rock and LES.

The production on DK7 is something out of this world, easily better than any of his other albums (this includes AEOM)....."Krazy" is probably one of the top 3 beats ive ever heard (if not the best beat), and Me and My Girlfriend, Bomb First, Life of an Outlaw, Blasphemy, Hail Mary, and Hold Ya Head all are very close behind that song.

Lyrically Illmatic is better, but not by much, and this is countered by the fact 7 Days has more range in subject matter.

Again I love both albums but 7 Day Theory is one of the very few albums id put above Illmatic. Im not being a Pac dickrider either because I put Illmatic above all of Pac's other albums, just not with DK7.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

I love the beats on Illmatic, I think it goes perfectly with Nas style.