My US thread

masta247

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I wrote a really long post and got 404 error so it disappeared so I'll write a shorter one for you guys to share some insight on what's up with me these days, since I don't have much time to post outside of the tech forum lately.

I suppose most of you guys haven't read my LA/San Fran thread and since last year I had a thread dedicated to my Canada experience I thought it would be nice to have one for my US experience as well. I don't want to write the same post that disappeared all over again so I'll just share some random stuff, because I experienced a lot of things that were so new to me that I couldn't wrap it up in short anyway.

I'm living in Honolulu, Hawaii for almost a month now. In early October I'll be in LA for a couple of days (if any of you guys will be there and interested in hanging out I'd like to do that - I don't know anyone from there yet apart from a few guys from Long Beach I got drunk with last Friday).

I don't really know how much you can call Hawaii a proper US experience but the largest group of people here (apart from the Japanese tourists who don't leave Waikiki, which is also where I live but try not to spend too much time in) are tourists from America and I think I've met people from most American states here - it's cool because until that my main first hand experience with America was through people on the Internet, probably mainly this board.
Now I gained opinions on a lot of things I did not know before, or saw in a totally different light. I experienced a lot of things I used to only read about before and.. seen most things you can see on Oahu. It's really easy to feel 'Island sick' here. Hawaii is the most remote island chain in the word and apart from Oahu there are only a couple of (much less) inhabited islands and after about 2 weeks I started feeling somewhat like a resident but also realized that I want to explore things and there's nothing to explore for thousands of miles from here. A lot of people suffer from that here.

Good things? You have beautiful beaches and literally perfect weather, and it's also one of the few places in the world where you can enjoy the tropical island with no dangerous fauna or flora whatsoever - you can sleep in the jungle at night and the most dangerous thing you can encounter is another human being (but almost all people here are friendly, especially Asians and most locals with their "Aloha attitudes"). I'm pleasantly surprised by the food here (finding healthy food is almost impossible and most restaurants serve burgers, bbq meat, pizza or other fat crap which is insane BUT for North American standards it's ok and tastes very good compared to Vancouver).
Also it's a tropical island but it's an American State, most people can speak English and downtown Honolulu feels almost like a real city at times.
Life here appears to be perfect on paper. However I got used to that real quick..

The negatives.. Last year I made a thread about Canada, particularly British Columbia. I spent some of the best times of my life and felt really great there. Now on paper everything about Hawaii sounds awesome and cities like Vancouver feel like nothing special right?
Well, I learned that it's not the case. I don't really feel the awesomeness of all of that here. It's cool and all, but it all looks better on paper. Coming to Hawaii was my long term goal that I achieved and it's different than I had imagined. You're not really enjoying the perfect weather because it's like that in here all the time. There are beaches and palm trees everywhere, tropical plants and nice sand everywhere, so what now? I've been to my favorite beach a couple of times until I realized how boring that is. Honolulu doesn't really feel like a city that lives. It gets money off tourists who are either huge groups of Asians who don't speak English and only hang around with each other or assholes from the mainland who want to get drunk in Waikiki. People come here for a couple of days and leave all the time so staying here for longer feels like being a part of a Zoo exhibition. Nobody really immerses in the culture or the vibe, it's all very shallow.

I like Hawaii and I enjoy my time here, but it doesn''t feel as amazing as I thought I would. It appeared to be a perfect place and it's not imperfect because of huge faults, but because it's rather boring and thus fails to reach the expectations of a perfect place.
It doesn't feel as special or amazing like I used to imagine - 'the natural paradise'. It's just a US state located on a few tropical islands where a lot of tourists come. I do fun things here but it's not the time of my life, even though I've met cool people that I hang out with and see nice places. The vibe just isn't there. If it's not in Hawaii then where else could it be, right?

So it struck me hard because I really loved Vancouver, and Honolulu appeared to be so much cooler so I was excited.
On paper Vancouver is just another city with "nothing special" in it but it felt so much more special to me, that I'm really surprised now how you really have to go and feel a place before you can say anything about it.
In Vancouver it's cold in the winter, when summer arrives everyone's happy even though it rains most of the time - the weather was worse than in Poland but that's the only thing I could complain about, everything else was such a great experience to me. The people and the city, the nature and stuff you could do. Thousands of miles of places to see, most of which saw no people whatsoever. That's something I really miss and now while I'm in Hawaii and everyone seems to think that I live in a natural paradise I reminisce on my Canada memories and think that things are never as they seem and life is full of surprises.
 

keco52

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Did you do any tourist-y things? My co-worker just got back from getting married in Hawaii. He enjoyed. He was in the military though, so he wanted to see Pearl Harbor.
 

masta247

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Lmfao. Did you just make it?

Did you do any tourist-y things? My co-worker just got back from getting married in Hawaii. He enjoyed. He was in the military though, so he wanted to see Pearl Harbor.
Yeah, I've done most touristy things. Pearl harbor is cool but its a place to go to once or twice maybe. Same with swimming with the dolphins, the submarine tour or sunset catamaran trip/drinking. I'm yet to take a chopper tour and fly to an other island.
 

dilla

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If you go to Hawaii and expect it to compare well to a big city, you're gonna have a bad time.

Experience America in NY, then LA, then Chicago, then Miami. Then go through The South and fly out of Texas somewhere. This Honolulu shit isn't gonna cut.


I usually forget Hawaii is a state and a part of the US. It's probably no different than the Caribbean. Which isn't the paradise people have made it out to be to live there permanently or for a long period of time. It gets boring and every island is the same. If you're a douche that loves to party and be drunk 90% of your vacation, hit every island of Hawaii or the Caribbean. Otherwise, you're better off spending time in a city and seeing its culture. It's not like Europe, where each big city is in a different country and is rich with heritage, but NY is not Chicago is not LA is not Philly is not Atlanta. That's what I'm getting at. Some have sports, some have art, some have just historical shit from the wars the US has been in.

I think that's the best way to experience America.
 

masta247

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I suppose I wanted all in one in Honolulu. I was down for some tropical island and us city in one. I'm not really complaining though. It okay.
 

S O F I

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I reckon most popular tropical destinations are shitty places to live in. Apparently, Vancouver BC is not all it's cracked up to be either. I met a couple last Friday from Calgary who lived in Vancouver for a couple of years and they only had negative things to say about Vancouver. Apparently it's all just trust fund babies, students, or people in shitty jobs. Of course, a huge generalization and it can't be true because Vancouver probably has a respectable financial district, but then I started thinking about people who I know in Vancouver. All the girls work in retail and/or are students, the guys either sell drugs or do some sort of physical labor, or are bartenders. No one has like a boring, well-paid office job lol. Also, I don't know anyone who doesn't live with their parents but that's mostly a cultural thing.
 

dilla

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Sikhs in Canada are guilty of a lot of what you said. I never knew this demographic existed until I went to med school and most of the students were kids of truck drivers and gas station owners from Canada.

I mean, I'm pretty classless on these forums, but some of these kids do worse than I do on these forums in real life. Historically, they come from farmers in India that were on refugee status when they "fled" to Canada. That's why there appears to be a good amount of hatred of Indians in Canada, especially in Toronto area. Brampton. They're fucking scumbags, compared to the general view on Indians in the States. I feel bad for those in Canada.

EDIT: The girl I like is from Vancouver. She's preppy/a bit stuck up, but definitely not lower class. Dad's a vet or something. I want her ass.
 

Flipmo

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I reckon most popular tropical destinations are shitty places to live in. Apparently, Vancouver BC is not all it's cracked up to be either. I met a couple last Friday from Calgary who lived in Vancouver for a couple of years and they only had negative things to say about Vancouver. Apparently it's all just trust fund babies, students, or people in shitty jobs. Of course, a huge generalization and it can't be true because Vancouver probably has a respectable financial district, but then I started thinking about people who I know in Vancouver. All the girls work in retail and/or are students, the guys either sell drugs or do some sort of physical labor, or are bartenders. No one has like a boring, well-paid office job lol. Also, I don't know anyone who doesn't live with their parents but that's mostly a cultural thing.
They're from Calgary, no shit they have nothing but negative things to say. Ask them how they feel about Quebec and watch them lose their shit.
 

masta247

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I think Flipmo's opinions about Canada are usually spot-on :p His opinion was part of the reason why I went to Vancouver and not Toronto in the first place and it was the best decision I could have made.

I think Vancouver is an awesome place to live in. It's not a job paradise but it's not bad, really. The huge movie industry and video game industries alone are better than anywhere else in the world apart from Cali and maybe Seattle. A lot of Canadian companies have their main offices in Vancouver. You get small offices of a lot of international companies there too. It's definitely one of the best Canadian cities for jobs, if not second to Toronto and Montreal only (and not by far).
Also go figure - a lot of people doing crap jobs don't speak English. That says a lot about the labor market I think.
Then there are really a lot of fancy houses in North Vancouver, a lot of people live in West End or Coal harbor and are doing great. There's really a lot of those people there.

Also a lot has to do with what you're after. People with different priorities will like different cities. For example I think there's no better place for nature and landscapes. You take a freaking Skytrain to work every day enjoying awesome mountains, forests and sometimes the ocean on your way. You can also just go there after work whenever you want. It made me smile every day.
I know assholes who claim that Vancouver is "fucking boring", and I'm happy that they think so. I met assholes there too, but from my experience it's a place attracting mainly people who are after a nice, green and peaceful city. And I dig that. The type of people a city attracts is really important for the vibe of that city, that's one of the most important things imo.
Hawaii attracts too many douches, people who want to get drunk or lay down on the beach all day or buy shitty souvenirs and leave after 4 days.
Warsaw attracts village idiots. Vancouver attracts people who want to slow down a little and explore slightly calmer reality I think.

For me, I realize that there are cool European cities where life is good - personally I think good examples would be Vienna or Geneva. I know that they are great, but I don't really dig them. I realize that they're nice and make a lot of people happy but they just wouldn't work for me.
My rational reasons are that people there speak terrible languages and chicks are ugly, lol. But it goes deeper than that, I just don't feel them. I have a lot of places I like in Vienna and I like the city but I'd really hate to live there.

Vancouver is not without its flaws of course but personally I felt great there and would like to live there over Hawaii. I enjoy Honolulu too, but it's not the same for me.
That said, I know people for whom Hawaii is the best place on earth and they usually tried a lot of other places - most past-US(mainland) residents I meet here had lived in at least a few states and countries around the world before coming here and deciding that it's the best place for them. They are usually different kinds of people than those who move to Vancouver.
I met a girl from Poland who used to live in Seattle for 8 years and moved here because of the weather and because she thought Seattle was "boring". I don't think Hawaii is more "interesting" for an average person seeking overall success in life.
I met a professor from a shithole in Illnois who used to live in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Germany, The Netherlands, California and in the end happily settled in Hawaii. I meet people who moved here from really strange places and say there's no place like this for them. I don't feel the same thing however.

Those people usually have sub-par jobs but here nobody seems to care too much as frankly - money doesn't make the same difference you'd be used to in most other places. You can sell burgers at McDonalds and still have a Hawaii beach house and experience things most people dream of and not even achieve for their whole lives of work. That's the positive. It's one of the best places to be broke in.
Honestly, if I was a US citizen with no job prospects whatsoever I'd sell everything and move to Hawaii and push the unemployment rate amongst native Hawaiians and Polynesians on those islands even higher by taking a low income job, serving tourists and enjoying things Hawaii has to offer for free.
 

dilla

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#13
^^ There's an idea for if med school doesn't work out.

It won't. :(

I know a black, hood nigga from Georgia that moved to Hawaii and just worked there. Good thing over there is there are no hurricanes but still having the island life.

I bet seeing tourists all the time sucks too, after a while. But you can have no strings attached fucking with the lonely ones.
 

Flipmo

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I think Flipmo's opinions about Canada are usually spot-on :p His opinion was part of the reason why I went to Vancouver and not Toronto in the first place and it was the best decision I could have made.
And you made a good choice, I'm not saying to never visit Toronto, but nobody should be in a rush to visit T-Dot. Their sports team can't even win at anything (let alone make the playoffs), and they have like 5 of them. You don't want to visit a city of perpetual losers.
 

S O F I

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I think Flipmo's opinions about Canada are usually spot-on :p His opinion was part of the reason why I went to Vancouver and not Toronto in the first place and it was the best decision I could have made.

I think Vancouver is an awesome place to live in. It's not a job paradise but it's not bad, really. The huge movie industry and video game industries alone are better than anywhere else in the world apart from Cali and maybe Seattle. A lot of Canadian companies have their main offices in Vancouver. You get small offices of a lot of international companies there too. It's definitely one of the best Canadian cities for jobs, if not second to Toronto and Montreal only (and not by far).
Also go figure - a lot of people doing crap jobs don't speak English. That says a lot about the labor market I think.
Then there are really a lot of fancy houses in North Vancouver, a lot of people live in West End or Coal harbor and are doing great. There's really a lot of those people there.

Also a lot has to do with what you're after. People with different priorities will like different cities. For example I think there's no better place for nature and landscapes. You take a freaking Skytrain to work every day enjoying awesome mountains, forests and sometimes the ocean on your way. You can also just go there after work whenever you want. It made me smile every day.
I know assholes who claim that Vancouver is "fucking boring", and I'm happy that they think so. I met assholes there too, but from my experience it's a place attracting mainly people who are after a nice, green and peaceful city. And I dig that. The type of people a city attracts is really important for the vibe of that city, that's one of the most important things imo.
Hawaii attracts too many douches, people who want to get drunk or lay down on the beach all day or buy shitty souvenirs and leave after 4 days.
Warsaw attracts village idiots. Vancouver attracts people who want to slow down a little and explore slightly calmer reality I think.

For me, I realize that there are cool European cities where life is good - personally I think good examples would be Vienna or Geneva. I know that they are great, but I don't really dig them. I realize that they're nice and make a lot of people happy but they just wouldn't work for me.
My rational reasons are that people there speak terrible languages and chicks are ugly, lol. But it goes deeper than that, I just don't feel them. I have a lot of places I like in Vienna and I like the city but I'd really hate to live there.

Vancouver is not without its flaws of course but personally I felt great there and would like to live there over Hawaii. I enjoy Honolulu too, but it's not the same for me.
That said, I know people for whom Hawaii is the best place on earth and they usually tried a lot of other places - most past-US(mainland) residents I meet here had lived in at least a few states and countries around the world before coming here and deciding that it's the best place for them. They are usually different kinds of people than those who move to Vancouver.
I met a girl from Poland who used to live in Seattle for 8 years and moved here because of the weather and because she thought Seattle was "boring". I don't think Hawaii is more "interesting" for an average person seeking overall success in life.
I met a professor from a shithole in Illnois who used to live in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Germany, The Netherlands, California and in the end happily settled in Hawaii. I meet people who moved here from really strange places and say there's no place like this for them. I don't feel the same thing however.

Those people usually have sub-par jobs but here nobody seems to care too much as frankly - money doesn't make the same difference you'd be used to in most other places. You can sell burgers at McDonalds and still have a Hawaii beach house and experience things most people dream of and not even achieve for their whole lives of work. That's the positive. It's one of the best places to be broke in.
Honestly, if I was a US citizen with no job prospects whatsoever I'd sell everything and move to Hawaii and push the unemployment rate amongst native Hawaiians and Polynesians on those islands even higher by taking a low income job, serving tourists and enjoying things Hawaii has to offer for free.
Out of curiosity, how can you sell burgers at McDonalds and have a Hawaii beach house? What kind of math are you using?
 

masta247

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Out of curiosity, how can you sell burgers at McDonalds and have a Hawaii beach house? What kind of math are you using?
I didn't mean a fancy house, I meant location (a house by the ocean, with a beach just outside). Most people live by a beach here (some have mountain houses because as soon as the beach ends it's not really flat anymore) because Oahu is a small island with a relatively small amount of residents and beaches everywhere. So most people live near the ocean - broke people just have shittier houses in less popular neighborhoods.
The rich live near Waikiki, broke guys live on the north shore or other places that are further from downtown Honolulu but it takes less than 2 hours to go from one end of the island to the other across the whole island by a freaking bus that stops all the time, so it's not a big problem.
If you're extremely broke and can't afford a house you live ON the beach, lol. Most residents though don't really have fancy jobs - they work at whatever serves tourists and they usually don't complain.
 

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