Justice?

Preach

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#21
Fuck this post

hard to imagine the will the father had to not kill him after running the wrench
Fuck this post because?

I'm basically saying what Chronic just said above. It went beyond justice, which it statistically did. But yeah, fuck that, let's all follow our human instincts and mutilate people we are angry with and sink to their levels, only because them starting it puts the lord on our side and gives us the "right" to do it without having to face moral consequences. Do not under any circumstances fuck that instead. Abandon the laws and regulations you would so surely lean upon when you needed them yourself.

This is a discussion that in no way reflects my opinion on rapists or the act of rape.

And it was sorta wack to neg rep the post lol.
 
#22
Well seeing as how most of you would rather die than be raped in the ass I would think you would feel stronger about it.
i thinking being raped in the ass and then it being publicized along with what you did to get the raping is a little better than dying...
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#23
Whats This Analyzing Shit About, Who In The Fuck Is Talkin About "consequences, Laws, Regulations", How About Yourself Talkin About A "smooth Penis" Being Compared To A Wrench Raping A Eight Year Old Girl
They Cant Punish That Man For Doing What He Did This Whasnt About Court Justice

Who The Fuck Talked About The Lord Being On Someones Side What Would You Do If Someone Raped Your Little Girl & They Let Him Out To Your House Theres No God In That


It All Does Reflects Your Opinion On Rape, On Rapists Because You Look At A Grown Man Being Raped W/ A Wrench As Hmm That Was Severe & Animalistic & More Severe Than A Eight Year Old Girl Being Raped By This Grown Man I Dont Know Anything More Severe Or Punishable Without Reflection On The Law And Without Reflection On The Lord
 

S O F I

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Staff member
#25
^It is better to get revenge, go to jail, and leave your 8 year old daughter to grow into her adulthood in an environment that bred the rape in the first place?
 

Euphanasia

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#26
Whats This Analyzing Shit About, Who In The Fuck Is Talkin About "consequences, Laws, Regulations", How About Yourself Talkin About A "smooth Penis" Being Compared To A Wrench Raping A Eight Year Old Girl
They Cant Punish That Man For Doing What He Did This Whasnt About Court Justice

Who The Fuck Talked About The Lord Being On Someones Side What Would You Do If Someone Raped Your Little Girl & They Let Him Out To Your House Theres No God In That


It All Does Reflects Your Opinion On Rape, On Rapists Because You Look At A Grown Man Being Raped W/ A Wrench As Hmm That Was Severe & Animalistic & More Severe Than A Eight Year Old Girl Being Raped By This Grown Man I Dont Know Anything More Severe Or Punishable Without Reflection On The Law And Without Reflection On The Lord

I think what Preach is saying, and he can correct me if I'm mistaken, is that although what the 18 year old boy did to the little girl was truly horrible, the father's actions were unacceptable and perverse despite the fact that he had good reason to be enraged. Furthermore, a society that accepts and condones the father's actions is no less perverse than a society that accepts the 18 year old's actions.

Also, it's difficult to read your post when the first letter of each word is capitalized unnecessarily.
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#27
If It Happens The Father Gets Locked Up, & The Fuckin Kid Doesnt Children Services Any Way Probably Regardless If Kid Was Locked Up Would Protect The Girl, Fuck Environment Shit, Nothing Breeds The Rape Except The Devil Main Component Of This Environment Could Of Been Dissipated
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#28
I Just Dont Understand This "acceptable In Society"? Bull Shit There Exists No Society If Grown Men Are Raping Little Girls & Bailed Out Mother Who Is Also The Step Mother To The Little Girl
 

Euphanasia

Well-Known Member
#29
^There is no devil. Blaming a fictional character for very tangible human atrocities accomplishes nothing. Problems in society are best addressed when people look to the root cause and make a proactive effort to eradicate them.
 

Euphanasia

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#31
There are numerous possibilities. One possibility is that the 18 year old kid was a victim of sexual abuse himself. Studies have shown that many victims of abuse grow up to be abusers themselves.
 

ArtsyGirl

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#32
Atleast the 18 year old knows how it feels. I cant understand why the mother would bail him out? After what he did being in Jail is showing him the consequences for his actions, now he's been shown a little bit more. The father went over the top but if that were my daughter I don't know what I'd do.
 

Preach

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#33
I think what Preach is saying, and he can correct me if I'm mistaken, is that although what the 18 year old boy did to the little girl was truly horrible, the father's actions were unacceptable and perverse despite the fact that he had good reason to be enraged. Furthermore, a society that accepts and condones the father's actions is no less perverse than a society that accepts the 18 year old's actions.

Also, it's difficult to read your post when the first letter of each word is capitalized unnecessarily.
that was exactly what i was trying to say. i'm not weighing the two incidents against each other trying to determine which is more animalistic, i'm saying that just because his daughter got raped the father is not excused in committing the very same crime. let's think of some other people who live by the eye for an eye principle. oh yeah, muslim extremists and cannibal tribes.

what the boy did was inexcusable. what the father did was also inexcusable. the only difference is that the boy was a sociopath, while the father was well established in society most likely, and should know better. and like someone else suggested, the ball-bat beating alone would serve as an unjustified, but maybe satisfactory punishment. he wouldn't even need a baseball bat. he could have kicked the boy's ass and then let the justice system deal with him. i'm gonna presume young virgin asses are attractive in jails and that he would be so punished over time the wrench wouldn't be needed.

all of this is besides the case. whatever might have happened, whatever the boy did, i am saying that regardless of all those things, what the father did was still unacceptable. even though it's understandable.

do we speak the same language now?

And Its Not The Same As What Chronic Said
yes, it is.
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#34
I cant understand why the mother would bail him out?
"mommy, please get me out of here *sulk sulk* i can't stand it, i'm not made for this place, i'll end up killing myself *boo hoo* please get me out of here"

and we all know women are so easily persuaded. (ehehe)
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#35
that was exactly what i was trying to say. i'm not weighing the two incidents against each other trying to determine which is more animalistic, i'm saying that just because his daughter got raped the father is not excused in committing the very same crime. let's think of some other people who live by the eye for an eye principle. oh yeah, muslim extremists and cannibal tribes.

what the boy did was inexcusable. what the father did was also inexcusable. the only difference is that the boy was a sociopath, while the father was well established in society most likely, and should know better. and like someone else suggested, the ball-bat beating alone would serve as an unjustified, but maybe satisfactory punishment. he wouldn't even need a baseball bat. he could have kicked the boy's ass and then let the justice system deal with him. i'm gonna presume young virgin asses are attractive in jails and that he would be so punished over time the wrench wouldn't be needed.

all of this is besides the case. whatever might have happened, whatever the boy did, i am saying that regardless of all those things, what the father did was still unacceptable. even though it's understandable.

do we speak the same language now?


yes, it is.
I agree.

I'm sure Edub understands you, but his primitive and emotional thinking is preventing him from thinking rationally about this.
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#36
Preach How The Fuck Didnt You Attempt To Compare The Two,you Said Some Shit About The 18 Year Olds 'smooth Penis' Compared To The Wrench That Alone Set Me Off To Begin With

Other Wise I Can See The Process Behind What You Think But I Dont Understand It And Am Against It I Think Im More Against That You Put This Societal Filter On It Automaticaly & Tried To Break Down What Would Be More Animalistic. To Me It Fuckin Doestn Matter How Anamilatistic" The Fathers Actions Are After His Daughter Is Raped Its In His Court He Warned Everyone

I Agree How Ever About Gettin It In The Pen He Would Once Hes Convicted All Of The Time This Will

Chronics Post Was Different Because Of The Way Your Post Was & Didnt Clarify You Thought Same As Chronic Gave Off Feelin Near The Oposite I Could Of Mis Read It
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#37
I agree.

I'm sure Edub understands you, but his primitive and emotional thinking is preventing him from thinking rationally about this.
IF REALLY TRYIN TO DISCUSS SITUATION YOU HAVE TO NOT BE SELFISH & PUT YOUR SELF IN DIFFERENT SHOES, MOST OF THE TIME THE BEST RATIONAL CONCLUSIONS ARRIVE AFTER PRIMITIVE & EMOTIONAL PROCESS YOU CANT VOID IT OR ITS FOOGAZY; THERES NOTHIN AT FUCKIN ALL RATIONAL ABOUT THIS SITUATION SO YOU HAVE TO WORK YOUR SELF TO RATIONALALITY OTHER WISE AGAIN,ITS JUST AIR BULLSHIT WITH NO PURPOSE.

SITTING DOWN THINKING ABOUT CORRECT JUSTICE BEST SOCIETAL BEHAVIORS ALL OF THE TIME FROM BEGGINNIN COMPLETELY OBLIVES CORRECT BEHAVIOR IN SOCIETY & VERY FOUNDATION OF JUSTICE

CANT DO YOUR BEST "SOLVE" SITUATIONS IF CANT GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ASS TO START
 
#38
IF REALLY TRYIN TO DISCUSS SITUATION YOU HAVE TO NOT BE SELFISH & PUT YOUR SELF IN DIFFERENT SHOES, MOST OF THE TIME THE BEST RATIONAL CONCLUSIONS ARRIVE AFTER PRIMITIVE & EMOTIONAL PROCESS YOU CANT VOID IT OR ITS FOOGAZY; THERES NOTHIN AT FUCKIN ALL RATIONAL ABOUT THIS SITUATION SO YOU HAVE TO WORK YOUR SELF TO RATIONALALITY OTHER WISE AGAIN,ITS JUST AIR BULLSHIT WITH NO PURPOSE.

SITTING DOWN THINKING ABOUT CORRECT JUSTICE BEST SOCIETAL BEHAVIORS ALL OF THE TIME FROM BEGGINNIN COMPLETELY OBLIVES CORRECT BEHAVIOR IN SOCIETY & VERY FOUNDATION OF JUSTICE

CANT DO YOUR BEST "SOLVE" SITUATIONS IF CANT GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ASS TO START

your caps lock is on
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#39
^^ lol

IF REALLY TRYIN TO DISCUSS SITUATION YOU HAVE TO NOT BE SELFISH & PUT YOUR SELF IN DIFFERENT SHOES, MOST OF THE TIME THE BEST RATIONAL CONCLUSIONS ARRIVE AFTER PRIMITIVE & EMOTIONAL PROCESS YOU CANT VOID IT OR ITS FOOGAZY; THERES NOTHIN AT FUCKIN ALL RATIONAL ABOUT THIS SITUATION SO YOU HAVE TO WORK YOUR SELF TO RATIONALALITY OTHER WISE AGAIN,ITS JUST AIR BULLSHIT WITH NO PURPOSE.

SITTING DOWN THINKING ABOUT CORRECT JUSTICE BEST SOCIETAL BEHAVIORS ALL OF THE TIME FROM BEGGINNIN COMPLETELY OBLIVES CORRECT BEHAVIOR IN SOCIETY & VERY FOUNDATION OF JUSTICE

CANT DO YOUR BEST "SOLVE" SITUATIONS IF CANT GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ASS TO START
funny you should say that. to an extent i agree. first of all, i just want to say that the smooth penis remark obviously wasn't entirely serious. come one, dude.

i agree that if you think too much on a thing, you can think circles around it to the point where you become uncertain. the more angles you try to look at a case from, the more obscure becomes the line that seperates good and bad, or right and wrong if you will. i don't get what you mean by "foundation of justice" though. you are saying that analyzing and thinking about things from an ideal point of view, as opposed to being caught in the middle of it, obliviates the foundation of justice? how do you figure? justice is a man-made principle which is the result of thinking from an ideal viewpoint. the constitution wasn't written on notes while the creators where dug down in trenches taking enemy fire or while they were being mugged. a bunch of old people sat down together in a room and wrote it down after having speculated on what would serve everyone best. the word "justice" is all about perception. it can mean one thing to me, it can mean something else to somebody else. that's why there is a law that everyone has to follow. you HAVE to think ideally to create such a law, or else the law would only fit a select few humans, and people would end up not following it anyway. this one law does not take into account emotions like vengeance. in fact, it encourages people to not act on such emotions and let the system assign justice.

let me ask you, are you implying that you would gladly rape an 18 year old boy's asshole with a wrench if he raped your daughter? and if your answer is yes, what seperates you from the boy? what seperates your act of sodomy from his act of sodomy? one thing. you feel that he deserves it. this is something that is entirely your opinion, and you came to this opinion because of all the things you have experienced in your life. when the boy committed the act of sodomy, his mind didn't black out. he had conscious thoughts all the way through the rape, suggesting he must have experienced things in his life that others did not, for him to have these thoughts that to others seem sociopathic. your experiences and his experiences are different, but neither of you asked for them. neither of you asked to be born. neither of you asked to be put in any of the situations you are put in. therefore, when a third party is assigning justice to a matter, it should be taken into account that the foundation of justice should not be based on human emotions at all. things such as jealousy and vengeance should not dictate our society. our society should dictate us so as to keep these emotions under wraps and keep them in check.

now you're speaking about the foundation of justice, and you seem to have it misunderstood. the intent that lies in the word "justice" is balance. what has happened now is we have a girl that got raped, a boy that got the life beat out of him with a bat (if you own one, take it in your hand and try hitting it gently on your head. it should give you an idea of how much it would fucking hurt to take a beating from one), who also got raped by a metal object that could easily rip open and puncture the intestines, something which would cause a rather horrific death and is borderline torture, something i'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest is worse than rape. the boy will face legal consequences, the father will most likely face legal consequences, the daughter won't have a father there for a time. is that balance? is that justice? if so, you have a fucked up perception, sorry for saying so.

humans today are half modern society half caveman. when things go bad, people lean on the rules/regulations and security that a modern society provides, but when they can't control their emotions they justify their own actions by saying it was revenge. revenge and justice (like mentioned previously) are both man-made principles. if they were never invented, the world would be completely different. it has nothing to do with instincts. either be a caveman, go around thinking it's okay to rape anyone who rapes someone you care for, but shut the fuck up when a burglar is trying to rob your house. when you have a heart-attack don't try to call 911. don't buy your food in a supermarket, move into the woods and learn to hunt and fish. or learn to control your emotios and be a part of the society in full. get all the benefits, just don't break the damn law.

ps. sofi, i know he probably understands, i just haven't written essays for so long :)
 
#40
well i have to agree with preach here. sure, we can look at this and say the kid (the 18 year old) got what he deserved, but is what the father did any better than what his son did? no, and now this girl will more than likely be doubly traumatized by the rape and the loss of her father, who will probably end up in prison right along with his son.

it's real easy to say you'd do this or that when it's not you in the situation though. if i was the father, i'd more than likely do the same thing he did. and i'd deserve every minute of the sentence i'd get just as this father does.
 

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