Interpretations of Tupac

[Bender]

Please Read:

" I know I won't change the World, but I guarantee I will change the mind that does. " - Tupac

Sound familiar?

When I first heard this I got the impression of a Revolution. That some 'Einstein' is going to figure Tupac out, or take cue from him and then go on to 'Change the World'. This was his prophecy.

That was initial.

Now I have read a lot of books myself, including some from Tupac's reading Library. And it was this morning when I was reading one of those books that I had a flash of illumination ( a revelation in other words) as to what the above quote actually meant.

When Tupac says 'Change the World', he isn't referring to a Geographical Environment, Tupac is talking about the World in our heads! Hence - 'Spark the Mind'. There is a world outside of our heads, and there is also one inside our heads. The one within our Mind that Tupac is referring to.

Also: 'The Mind' sounds like it is implicating one singular mind. That is true for each of us only has one mind.

There isn't going to be a Saviour outside of us that is going to change the World. That Saviour is within each and every one of us.

It's very subtle I must admit. Did anyone else think what I thought, and see what I see with this now?

 

[Bender]

30 views no replys! I can't believe that I figured this out!

Or am I just on a different level to everyone else.

 

[mikehelix]

I think 2pac was a very deep man but I'm not sure this is what he meant when he said that. I would have to agree with the first interpretation you mentioned moreso than the second, but Pac also had the capability to think of analogies and stories that could be interpreted in so many different ways. I think by saying things like this, he was aiming to "spark" conversations such as these and eventually "change the world" by sparking enough peoples minds to think more deeply about several different important sociological, philosophical, and religious ideas.

I've been meaning to read some of the books I've missed over the years that were part of Pac's bigger influences.... which ones would you most recommend?

 

[Bender]

I think 2pac was a very deep man but I'm not sure this is what he meant when he said that. I would have to agree with the first interpretation you mentioned moreso than the second, but Pac also had the capability to think of analogies and stories that could be interpreted in so many different ways. I think by saying things like this, he was aiming to "spark" conversations such as these and eventually "change the world" by sparking enough peoples minds to think more deeply about several different important sociological, philosophical, and religious ideas.

I've been meaning to read some of the books I've missed over the years that were part of Pac's bigger influences.... which ones would you most recommend?

You don't get it.

Tupac studied Tibetan teachings. These teach that everything is a projection of the mind, for there is no seperate 'me' with a 'seperate world'.

If you have no knowlede of Tibetan Buddhism you will have no idea what I am talking about.

Check out these books - post 85:
http://2pacboard.com/forum/showthread.php?p=84082#post84082

I would recommend You start with the ones relating to Buddhism and Tibetan teachings.

 

[Khaled]

he also said, "i m not gonna change the world but if I keep talking about how bad it is, somebody's gonna cleen it up"

so much 4 your explanation

 

[westsyde01]

Don't look too deep now. You'll hurt yourself. hehe

 

[Bender]

he also said, "i m not gonna change the world but if I keep talking about how bad it is, somebody's gonna cleen it up"

so much 4 your explanation

You don't know anything. How do you interpret that statement?

Clean it up - what does that mean? not the geographical world. He's talking about peoples mindstates, for if we didn't have messy minds full of badness then there would be more good in the world.

The world isn't separate from the mind. There wouldn't be a world without human conscience.

I say again, if you don't know Tibetan teachings you will have no idea what I am talking about.

Tupac was deep.

 

[Khaled]

You don't know anything. How do you interpret that statement?

I say again, if you don't know Tibetan teachings you will have no idea what I am talking about.

Tupac was deep.

i prolly know a lot more about buddhism, hinduism, mysticism than you, and i can tell you that all these can not be understood in books or writings. So if you are basing your knowledge on books, you probably don't know what you are talking about.

the statement is deep, but u don't need to take it that far, Pac is saying that his music will inspire people and raise consiousness and awareness among those who are indifferent.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Don't mean to shoot you down, but Tupac says, I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world.

Notice 'brain'.

I know this is interchangeable with mind - usually - but you put so much emphasis on it that I thought I'd inform you it was never mentioned.

 

[Bender]

Foremost I would like to apologize to everyone who has read/replied to this thread. For I have a tendancy to try and force my opinions upon people out of urgency to express my point.

I do suggest though that you would at least try to see where I am coming from by asking yourself:

'has listening to Tupac changed my view of the World?'

In the context of views (of the World). This is what I am trying to get at.

For I find it hard to believe that anyone who has listened to Tupac hasn't had an increased 'elevation' of the way the World appears.

To change the World is easily something that could be misinterpreted as a statement that had a substantial outcome. That is not the case here, for that is a concept - and according to Tibetan teaching, any concept is a 'frozen view', and therefore Not a reality. The reality is what we percieve the world to be with our mind/brain, not something we see with our eyes or understand logically.

Don't look too deep now. You'll hurt yourself. hehe

It brings a whole meaning to:

'I came to bring the pain, hardcore from the brain. Let's go inside my astral plane' .........{and the whole track}

As if thinking/looking (for understanding) makes your brain hurt, that is what he is trying to do - Make you think.

i prolly know a lot more about buddhism, hinduism, mysticism than you, and i can tell you that all these can not be understood in books or writings. So if you are basing your knowledge on books, you probably don't know what you are talking about.

I take it you have your own Personal Master who trains you in 'the way'.

How can anyone disregard the knowledge found in books?

I doubt you know more than me on the account of your English usage {Prolly}. Which school did you go to who taught you that 'prolly' was a word?

 

[Story]

i prolly know a lot more about buddhism, hinduism, mysticism than you,

now heres a mature way to start an argument

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Yeshua, are you going to address the fact that I checked you?

No offence, but basing your whole argument around a quote which is falsified is pretty useless.

 

[Bender]

The reality is what we percieve the world to be with our mind/brain, not something we see with our eyes or understand logically.

Same thing.

IMO Tupac isn't talking about one persons mind/brain, he is talking about all the people who are influenced by him.

"spark the brain/mind that does " sounds like he is implicating one mind/brain. And he is - the one who is infuenced.

I don't mean to start to argue with anyone.

If it's falsified then it isn't grasping your attention.

All I offer is a point of view.

Still no one has answered if Tupac has changed their (view of the) world in any way.

What was that he was talking about in an interview when he was saying there are different ways to interpret things? I feel this relevent here.

I am serious and believe what I am saying.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

You can say that 'mind' & 'brain are the if you want, but like I said in my original post, while they are usually interchangeable I don't think this is true here.

For what you are saying 'mind' is very apporiate as it can be taken as intelligence & spirituality etc.

'Brain', however, isn't. If he's going to 'spark' a 'brain' his words/actions are giving someone an idea.

 

[Khaled]

I take it you have your own Personal Master who trains you in 'the way'.

How can anyone disregard the knowledge found in books?

I doubt you know more than me on the account of your English usage {Prolly}. Which school did you go to who taught you that 'prolly' was a word?

as a matter of fact i do know a Master who teaches me, i m a disciple of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev

spiritual matters, especially those pertaining to eastern theology and spiritualism, cannot be explained in written language. You can read criticism of theese religions if you want, but any book will be based on a personal interpretation.
If you had any deep knowledge of this subject, you would know this.

as far as my english language, just compare your fourth language with my arabic, or send me an email at kharakleb@kol.eyre.com

 

[mikehelix]

You don't get it.

Tupac studied Tibetan teachings. These teach that everything is a projection of the mind, for there is no seperate 'me' with a 'seperate world'.

If you have no knowlede of Tibetan Buddhism you will have no idea what I am talking about.

Check out these books - post 85:
http://2pacboard.com/forum/showthread.php?p=84082#post84082

I would recommend You start with the ones relating to Buddhism and Tibetan teachings.

it is of my opinion that your interpretation is based on your own beliefs, and not necessarily what Tupac was going for. again, I think Pac said many things like this knowingly leaving it open for interpretation to spark discussions like these.

but as far as what you said in response to my post,
"Tupac studied Tibetan teachings. These teach that everything is a projection of the mind, for there is no seperate 'me' with a 'seperate world'." - well, Pac studied these, yes. I've also actually read parts of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and I think the teachings are very interesting.

however, I think they are interesting to read and though I like learning about the philosophy, I don't incorporate the ideas of this book into my daily conversation and make things cryptically symbolic about the collective consciousness. Pac was deep, true, but I'm not so sure he was trying to hide cryptic Tibetan messages in this quote.

 

[Makavelinine6]

he is talking about changing how the world works. right now i think we're living like animals. with our current technology etc. i believe we should be living in a state of utopia. why the hell are people starving and dying etc? theres plenty of stuff to go around. just look how wasteful america is. thats what he's talking about.

 

[Ghetto_Ghost]

i think Yeshua is on to something but im still not convinced that that is what tupac meant.
maybe im wrong tho

 

[Bender]

I think it is more probable that Tupac could Change the World through our own perception, than for one person to come and overthrow the government.

 

[Bender]

I don't see anyone contradicting this anymore. After the pussy and paper thread and also Blasphemy, I am amazed at how diverse peoples interpretations are of what Tupac says on record.