I fucking hate cats
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did you expect it to smell good?
if my bathroom looked like the aftermath of 2 girls 1 cup I don't think I'd wanna go near it either.
i think the problem here is that some people haven't experienced having an awesome cat. if you treat it like shit when its younger, chances are you'll find it annoying later on, just like any other animal that isn't raised properly. personally i grew up with cats in the house throughout my life, yet i still think dogs are awesome pets and I've never even had one... oh, and i was attacked by one when i was 5.
if my bathroom looked like the aftermath of 2 girls 1 cup I don't think I'd wanna go near it either.
i think the problem here is that some people haven't experienced having an awesome cat. if you treat it like shit when its younger, chances are you'll find it annoying later on, just like any other animal that isn't raised properly. personally i grew up with cats in the house throughout my life, yet i still think dogs are awesome pets and I've never even had one... oh, and i was attacked by one when i was 5.
cats, when they have babies, raise their babies according to how you raised them. if you teach your cat to only do stuff in the litter box, if it catches its own kids pissing or shitting on the floor she will punish them and throw them into the litter box until they learn. this there is proof that cats aren't totally unresponsive. they just won't be your bitch (lawl).
anyway, i thought i responded but i guess not. i prefer dogs. it's not some sick need to dominate anything, but i actually see ARon's point that i would like a pet to be like a friend. i still have an aquarium that i love though, so obviously i can appreciate animals for what they are. i don't try to cuddle my fish. i wouldn't mind other pets, but a dog is on top of the pedestal to me. also i'm allergic to cats, but i still cuddle them up if i'm at someone's house.
anyway, i thought i responded but i guess not. i prefer dogs. it's not some sick need to dominate anything, but i actually see ARon's point that i would like a pet to be like a friend. i still have an aquarium that i love though, so obviously i can appreciate animals for what they are. i don't try to cuddle my fish. i wouldn't mind other pets, but a dog is on top of the pedestal to me. also i'm allergic to cats, but i still cuddle them up if i'm at someone's house.
I said it because you fail to respond to anything I'm actually saying.
friend 1 a person you know well and like, and is not usually a member of your family
stranger 1 a person that you do not know
person 1 a human being as an individual
As you can see from the dictionary definitions, these terms do not apply to animals so basically you're saying nothing. But for the sake of discussions lets ignore that.
I've had 8 cats, including 4 stray cats that I couldn't pet, and they weren't strangers. They all had their own personality and I'd recognize them even if they were to change their appearance. I knew them well and I liked them (definition of a friend). Ask the millions of people around the world that love cats and ask them if their cat is a stranger to them and they'll say no. So...?
Your definitions of 'friend' and 'stranger' are measured by human standards but they're not human. It's apparent that you view animals as products and rate them by their benefits. And that is why you view cats as strangers.
And you're talking about what makes a good pet as if it's a fact of life.
pet 1 an animal that you keep at home for the sake of pleasure.
Where within this definition does it mention anything about specific animal characteristics? There is no definition for a 'good pet' because it depends on the person. You're supposed to match your personality to that of an animal, not the other way around.
To reiterate my point in short: recognize that the terms "friendly/unfriendly" "loyal/disloyal" "selfless/selfish" etc. can only be applied to human beings (it's fine to say "this dog is nice" for the sake of getting your point across but in reality the dog is neither nice nor unfriendly). See animals for what they really are and not a product to be used for our enjoyment and you may actually like the species on their own terms. And in turn you may actually enjoy having this species in your house.
I'm not saying that you will enjoy cats but it's obvious that you can't view animals in the way that I do and therefore you can't know whether or not my "idea of a pet is dumb". Dog's aren't man's best friend, they're the best host for our parasitic needs.
Maybe it wasn't Preach's point but a lot of pets are treated poorly, in the sense that their natural behavior is not stimulated. When cats have nothing to do they become lazy and unsatisfied.
EDIT: We had mice in our house and they partially ate some of my father's documents. He actually took it personal as if a person broke into the house and destroyed his precious documents. "THIS IS MY HOUSE YOU FUCKING MICE". All I saw was an animal looking for shelter, food, chewing on something to keep its teeth healthy and utilizing whatever the world offered. It's only his house in terms of other people but those mice had just as much right to be there as he did. Why would I be angry? I'd be annoyed if they ate something of mine but I wouldn't take it personal, like most people would, and in turn I was amazed by their ability to climb, jump from extreme heights and remember multiple places of escape. They were worthy adversaries in my mice-catching days.
friend 1 a person you know well and like, and is not usually a member of your family
stranger 1 a person that you do not know
person 1 a human being as an individual
As you can see from the dictionary definitions, these terms do not apply to animals so basically you're saying nothing. But for the sake of discussions lets ignore that.
I've had 8 cats, including 4 stray cats that I couldn't pet, and they weren't strangers. They all had their own personality and I'd recognize them even if they were to change their appearance. I knew them well and I liked them (definition of a friend). Ask the millions of people around the world that love cats and ask them if their cat is a stranger to them and they'll say no. So...?
Your definitions of 'friend' and 'stranger' are measured by human standards but they're not human. It's apparent that you view animals as products and rate them by their benefits. And that is why you view cats as strangers.
And you're talking about what makes a good pet as if it's a fact of life.
pet 1 an animal that you keep at home for the sake of pleasure.
Where within this definition does it mention anything about specific animal characteristics? There is no definition for a 'good pet' because it depends on the person. You're supposed to match your personality to that of an animal, not the other way around.
To reiterate my point in short: recognize that the terms "friendly/unfriendly" "loyal/disloyal" "selfless/selfish" etc. can only be applied to human beings (it's fine to say "this dog is nice" for the sake of getting your point across but in reality the dog is neither nice nor unfriendly). See animals for what they really are and not a product to be used for our enjoyment and you may actually like the species on their own terms. And in turn you may actually enjoy having this species in your house.
I'm not saying that you will enjoy cats but it's obvious that you can't view animals in the way that I do and therefore you can't know whether or not my "idea of a pet is dumb". Dog's aren't man's best friend, they're the best host for our parasitic needs.
Maybe it wasn't Preach's point but a lot of pets are treated poorly, in the sense that their natural behavior is not stimulated. When cats have nothing to do they become lazy and unsatisfied.
EDIT: We had mice in our house and they partially ate some of my father's documents. He actually took it personal as if a person broke into the house and destroyed his precious documents. "THIS IS MY HOUSE YOU FUCKING MICE". All I saw was an animal looking for shelter, food, chewing on something to keep its teeth healthy and utilizing whatever the world offered. It's only his house in terms of other people but those mice had just as much right to be there as he did. Why would I be angry? I'd be annoyed if they ate something of mine but I wouldn't take it personal, like most people would, and in turn I was amazed by their ability to climb, jump from extreme heights and remember multiple places of escape. They were worthy adversaries in my mice-catching days.
nah, it's just something i remember. a friend of mine (girl) had a cat that she really cared for. she had taught the cat early on to leave her excrements in the litter box. it wasn't a house cat, the cat would be outside whenever it felt like it which was maybe one third of the time.
anyway, the cat had babies. i'm no expert on cats but for a period after birth the mother will watch after the young ones like humans watch after their kids. stray too far from the nest type of stuff. if one was climbing on the couch the mother would observe as if it wanted to intervene if something happened.
one day one of the younglings started pissing on the floor, so the mother cat jumped right out, bit the baby by its neck and dragged it over to the litter box and left it there. my friend told me she would repeat this until eventually, the baby cats would learn where to take a piss. i just thought it was interesting because in a sense, my friend passed on a social construct onto the cat that the cat then passed onto it's young ones. i think my point was that it's cool because most people who dislike cats say it's because they're like wild animals. well yeah, they are, but they also have some ability to adapt to something that's otherwise unnatural behavior for their species. think "cool" as in psychological experiment. just like how it's cool to watch monkeys solve puzzles
anyway, the cat had babies. i'm no expert on cats but for a period after birth the mother will watch after the young ones like humans watch after their kids. stray too far from the nest type of stuff. if one was climbing on the couch the mother would observe as if it wanted to intervene if something happened.
one day one of the younglings started pissing on the floor, so the mother cat jumped right out, bit the baby by its neck and dragged it over to the litter box and left it there. my friend told me she would repeat this until eventually, the baby cats would learn where to take a piss. i just thought it was interesting because in a sense, my friend passed on a social construct onto the cat that the cat then passed onto it's young ones. i think my point was that it's cool because most people who dislike cats say it's because they're like wild animals. well yeah, they are, but they also have some ability to adapt to something that's otherwise unnatural behavior for their species. think "cool" as in psychological experiment. just like how it's cool to watch monkeys solve puzzles
it was the rats house as much as your family's?
i strongly disagree. thats like saying a parasite has the right to eat away at another animals flesh simply cuz it has latched on. thats like saying those ticks have as much right to your skin as you do. mice are parasites in my opinion. a person builds a house, a mouse moves in to leech off of them and reap the benefits of the persons work. granted they do have to work to get leftovers and such, but so do those ticks. how about admiring their grasp as they climb literally millions of times their body height just to find one spot on your body to latch onto.
a mouse to a home is like a tick to a body, taking advantage of something it didnt help to create.
i hate mice.
i strongly disagree. thats like saying a parasite has the right to eat away at another animals flesh simply cuz it has latched on. thats like saying those ticks have as much right to your skin as you do. mice are parasites in my opinion. a person builds a house, a mouse moves in to leech off of them and reap the benefits of the persons work. granted they do have to work to get leftovers and such, but so do those ticks. how about admiring their grasp as they climb literally millions of times their body height just to find one spot on your body to latch onto.
a mouse to a home is like a tick to a body, taking advantage of something it didnt help to create.
i hate mice.
That's just your superiority complex talking (I don't mean that as a diss, every person has a superiority complex on some level, it's part of our survival instinct). This world isn't ours, we just happen to live in it. We don't own land, we just claim it.
There are no "rights" in the animal world. There is no "right", there is no "wrong", there just is. A human parasite is someone to loath but a "parasite" in the animal world is just a term.
We didn't create raw materials but we take advantage of them. The same raw materials used to build our houses. You didn't create the internet but you're taking advantage of it. So by your own words, you're a parasite.
Also consider how we use animals. I don't see you complaining about how we use animal products. The animals in slaughterhouses aren't exactly benefiting from our actions. We simply take.
I know you're a Christian so according to your beliefs we are superior so maybe we can't really discuss this in such a manner.
There are no "rights" in the animal world. There is no "right", there is no "wrong", there just is. A human parasite is someone to loath but a "parasite" in the animal world is just a term.
We didn't create raw materials but we take advantage of them. The same raw materials used to build our houses. You didn't create the internet but you're taking advantage of it. So by your own words, you're a parasite.
Also consider how we use animals. I don't see you complaining about how we use animal products. The animals in slaughterhouses aren't exactly benefiting from our actions. We simply take.
I know you're a Christian so according to your beliefs we are superior so maybe we can't really discuss this in such a manner.
am i a parasite?
very much so.
like you said, we take advantage of the worlds materials and such, but, to those mice the home isn't the world. they build their own nest, usually out of things found in the home [paper and etc] but i'm not saying they're taking advantage of their nest.
you are taking every argument i make to the extreme.. judging by your analysis, we all take advantage of our parents for food and shelter when we are young. are they supposed to do like sharks and other wildlife and abandon us immediately after birth? or are sharks taking advantage of the water?
i dont see how religion can really come into play because i'm not saying we are superior due to any religion, but due to the 'survival of the fittest' law. if you stripped an educated man of everything around him, his home, family, weapons, etc... there is still a chance he could survive in the wild. native americans did it until pilgrims wiped them out. since you believe in evolution [i think] it is kinda like we all evolved into this superior being.. monkeys have yet to master it. we are at the top of the food chain not because we are the biggest and strongest animals on the planet, not because any god has blessed us to be this way, but because we "exploit and take advantage of" our surroundings.
put an indian in the jungle, he'll put some sticks together and kill a lion and eat well. we are the smartest, and superior animals. far, far more superior than mice. and ticks. and olives.
very much so.
like you said, we take advantage of the worlds materials and such, but, to those mice the home isn't the world. they build their own nest, usually out of things found in the home [paper and etc] but i'm not saying they're taking advantage of their nest.
you are taking every argument i make to the extreme.. judging by your analysis, we all take advantage of our parents for food and shelter when we are young. are they supposed to do like sharks and other wildlife and abandon us immediately after birth? or are sharks taking advantage of the water?
i dont see how religion can really come into play because i'm not saying we are superior due to any religion, but due to the 'survival of the fittest' law. if you stripped an educated man of everything around him, his home, family, weapons, etc... there is still a chance he could survive in the wild. native americans did it until pilgrims wiped them out. since you believe in evolution [i think] it is kinda like we all evolved into this superior being.. monkeys have yet to master it. we are at the top of the food chain not because we are the biggest and strongest animals on the planet, not because any god has blessed us to be this way, but because we "exploit and take advantage of" our surroundings.
put an indian in the jungle, he'll put some sticks together and kill a lion and eat well. we are the smartest, and superior animals. far, far more superior than mice. and ticks. and olives.
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