Heavy Marijuana Use May Raise Risk Of Heart Attack Or Stroke

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Heavy marijuana use can boost blood levels of a particular protein, perhaps raising a person's risk of a heart attack or stroke, U.S. government researchers said on Tuesday.

Dr. Jean Lud Cadet of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, part of the National Institutes of Health, said the findings point to another example of long-term harm from marijuana. But marijuana activists expressed doubt about the findings.

Cadet said a lot of previous research has focused on the effects of marijuana on the brain. His team looked elsewhere in the body, measuring blood protein levels in 18 long-term, heavy marijuana users and 24 other people who did not use the drug.

Levels of a protein called apolipoprotein C-III were found to be 30 percent higher in the marijuana users compared to the others. This protein is involved in the body's metabolism of triglycerides -- a type of fat found in the blood -- and higher levels cause increased levels of triglycerides, Cadet added.

High levels of triglycerides can contribute to hardening of the arteries or thickening of the artery walls, raising the risk of stroke, heart attack and heart disease.

The study did not look at whether the heavy marijuana users actually had heart disease.

"Chronic marijuana use is not only causing people to get high, it's actually causing long-term adverse effects in patients who use too much of the drug," Cadet, whose study is in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said in a telephone interview. "Chronic marijuana abuse is not so benign."

The marijuana users in the study averaged smoking 78 to 350 marijuana cigarettes per week, based on self-reported drug history, the researchers said.

The researchers said the active ingredient in marijuana, known as THC, seems to overstimulate marijuana receptors in the liver, leading to overproduction of the protein.

RAISING FUTURE RISK

Cadet said higher levels of the protein in marijuana users could raise future risk for cardiac abnormalities, blood flow problems, heart attack and stroke.

People with major medical or psychiatric illness, alcohol dependency and other drug use such as cocaine or heroin were excluded from the study.

A U.S. group supporting legal sales and regulation of marijuana disputed the findings. Marijuana Policy Project spokesman Bruce Mirken said, for example, the study involved people who were extremely heavy users.

"I think the low end was 78 joints a week. That's 10 or 11 joints a day," Mirken said in a telephone interview.

"We're talking about people who are stoned all the time. We're talking about the marijuana equivalent of the guy in the alley clutching a bottle of cheap wine. If you do anything to that level of excess, it might well have some untoward effects, whether it's marijuana or wine or broccoli," Mirken added.

Cadet's team said the findings suggest long-term harm from marijuana beyond issues such as impaired learning, poor memory retention and retrieval and perceptual abnormalities.

But Mirken said: "Even if you take this finding at face value, it's not at all clear that it has any relevance to the real world because there is still no data showing higher rates of mortality among marijuana smokers. If this was a significant cause of cardiovascular disease, where are the bodies?"
Marijuana may up heart attack, stroke risk: study - Yahoo! News

I guess weed is what cause Nate Dogg to have a stroke.
 
#3
wtf 78!!them boys be having week in week out sessions ,i mean day in day out..maaaan...only time ill be smoking plus tht is from next few week in the suuummmmeeerrr timee after i get these xams out the way....

the keyword there being "may".may do,may not.

nate couldve got it from weed or those greasy burgers he been eating,fact of the matter is its meant to be.

whats obvious is tht mcdonalds can do you more harm than these 350 joints a week as shown in'super size me' where you can notice the difference on the guy...so it'd make sense to ban mcdonalds and FREE THE HERB!!!

would y'all agree?
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
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I'm between 20-80 joints a week. I'm more interested in comparing results after someone like that quits.

You're lighting something on fire and inhaling the fumes. Keeping that in mind this statement "Chronic marijuana abuse is not so benign" makes me say "NO SHIT". Long-term use of any drug is a hazard to your health. No one defending weed, except the 'tards, is saying that weed is harmless but compared to alcohol and other drugs that are legal and morally accepted it's not that dangerous, that's the whole point. Including the many benefits of hemp it would make a lot more sense for weed to be legal and alcohol illegal, or as long as alcohol is legal for weed to be legal as well. It pisses me off when I'm at a party watching drunk people (intoxicated on hard drugs) stumbling around, puking, passing out, fighting and screaming like madmen and I have to go outside in the cold to smoke a joint which results in me being happy, calm and still very much in control of my intoxication. I've never met a weed junkie or known anyone that has (not saying they don't exist) but I've met plenty of alcoholics and seen the adverse affects of simply drinking for 1 night. Compared to alcohol, where is the danger for society in marijuana? I'm allowed to posion my body with cigarettes, alcohol, junk food etc. but I can't poison my body with weed? And if some fucking pothead can't handle weed (some people can handle particular drugs, some can't) but still decides to continue smoking and fucks up his life, let them. At least this person will just be a burned out piece of shit instead of a violent piece of shit that terrorizes their family.

"We're talking about the marijuana equivalent of the guy in the alley clutching a bottle of cheap wine"

Indeedy. If I did as much alcohol as I did weed I'd be an alcholic (or a junkie if you will) but I'm mentally/physically fine with my weed abuse.

Yes weed has its dangers and we should definitely conduct more research on how exactly it can be dangerous but give me a fucking break, the only weed epidemic is idiots that can't handle it smoking. You inform yourself, you smoke, you watch for signs of mental dependency, you choose to detox yourself every now and then (simply being out is not the same) and see how you do and again see how you do when you start smoking again. If you don't want to risk your health you smoke very moderately... or you use instead of abuse.

I can't be fucked looking up the statistics of drugs in The Netherlands, where weed is legal, but I think they're relatively low ... maybe later.

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you know it's amazing how many people i talk to who seem to think that weed is completely harmless, and it's useless to try to talk sense into these people cuz they don't seem to understand long-term effects. they figure if i can smoke everyday, and i'm still healthy today, then it can't be bad for you. there is also a much higher rate of alzheimer's disease and dementia in heavy weed smokers too. completely harmless? right. :rolleyes:
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#10
I will miss Preach and Chronic.

pz
Read my blog fucker. New things, new things.

Dante told me when THC is processed through your liver, it is split into more than a hundred, if it weren't more than a thousand psychoactive substances. That is, one substance that regulates your hunger, one that regulates anxiety, one that regulates happiness, one that regulates something else. Which is why taking a hit from a bong or smoking a joint is such a much more complicated process than drinking alcohol. There have been extensive studies on alcohol which proves that the effects are bad, but at least we know the exact effects from both studies and experience. This is not the case with weed. I've heard stories about people who stopped smoking and went crazy six years later. I've heard all kinds of crazy urban myths, rumors, and alleged studies. The fact of the matter is, at the end of the day, when I toke up, I don't actually know what is happening in my body. I don't know each and every possible effect, and I don't know which are more likely than others. Since there is such a vast pool of substances involved compared to alcohol, the effect is also more so individual, which causes problems when you are to make universal rules and regulations for this shit.

I still toke, but I am very aware that it's a russian roulette.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
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Read my blog fucker. New things, new things.

Dante told me when THC is processed through your liver, it is split into more than a hundred, if it weren't more than a thousand psychoactive substances. That is, one substance that regulates your hunger, one that regulates anxiety, one that regulates happiness, one that regulates something else. Which is why taking a hit from a bong or smoking a joint is such a much more complicated process than drinking alcohol. There have been extensive studies on alcohol which proves that the effects are bad, but at least we know the exact effects from both studies and experience. This is not the case with weed. I've heard stories about people who stopped smoking and went crazy six years later. I've heard all kinds of crazy urban myths, rumors, and alleged studies. The fact of the matter is, at the end of the day, when I toke up, I don't actually know what is happening in my body. I don't know each and every possible effect, and I don't know which are more likely than others. Since there is such a vast pool of substances involved compared to alcohol, the effect is also more so individual, which causes problems when you are to make universal rules and regulations for this shit.

I still toke, but I am very aware that it's a russian roulette.
Are you sure he said when it's processed through your liver? That doesn't make sense. That would be THC leaving the body, not binding.

What he was talking about is basically that there are thousands of cannabinoid receptors all over the body, including your gut, which would explain munchies, in layman terms. The place where there are no cannabinoid receptors I believe is the spinal cord, and hence why you can't overdose on marijuana.

Anyway, when you smoke weed is when THC passes the BBB and binds to the receptors. When weed is processed through the liver, then you have Delta 8 THC remaining in your system for a long period and therefore drug tests will detect it, even though delta 9 thc left your body. But, delta 8 doesn't actually do anything to you, as far as I know.

Anyway, alcohol is unique in the sense that it just kind of marinades your cell membranes, instead of binding to any receptors. But yeah, potheads are probably better off than alcoholics. Although you might just be substituting liver disease for lung disease in the long run.
 

Jeremy

Well-Known Member
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20-80, Chronic? That's a big gap. 80 is over 10 a day for the week. Your tolerance must be jerked. That seems like a lot to me. In my hay day I don't think I was smoking that much.
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
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I don't reach the 80 point every week. I'll have periods where I smoke from the moment I wake up and periods (like the past 2 weeks) where I smoke 3-4 in a day. But naming the amount of joints you smoke is somewhat irrelevant, 1 person's joint may be the size of 3 of someone elses.
As for my tolerance, I don't get high fast. I remember I smoked with 3 friends and they were fucked up for 2 hours, I felt a slight buzz for 10 minutes. One contributing factor is that I can't inhale as deeply/much as I used to cause of my stomach though. Using a bong makes me throw up. Nothing to do with the weed but smoke does trigger it.
I'm only smoking so much because my situation allows for it right now, in the future I'll cut back.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
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Preach if your blog is remotly near the length of your posts I will pass on that and go check out the sports section on msn.com instead.

Feel free to pm me a very short summary of your blog/blogs.

pz
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#19
Weed is good, gotta get some soon. Oh yeahh.


And so what if I die from it later. I ain't scared from death, only scared of the pain before it.
 

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