Gaddafi captured (killed) ???

[Flipmo]

USA came out as a victor in WW2, amongst many other allied countries, that is obvious, but to say they are the main reason why WW2 was won by the Allies is a complete crock of shit. Even when the USA and Britain dropped over 150,000 bombs via air raids on 6-7 German cities (including the complete destruction of Hamburg) the Nazis did not surrender. It's when the Red Army came storming through mutilating, and raping (see rape of Berlin) everything was when the Nazis said: "Aww, fuck..." ... and there are historical reasons that go even before WW1 that play a part in that. That's for another discussion though. Personally, I think the Brits don't get enough credit for their victory during The Blitz... That's just my humble opinion.

Long story short; USA was victorious, but did not win (meaning single-handedly) the war. That's all, folks.

 

[dilla]

 

[S O F I]

USA came out as a victor in WW2, amongst many other allied countries, that is obvious, but to say they are the main reason why WW2 was won by the Allies is a complete crock of shit.

Agreed. No one said this, though. We're not taught like that in school here, either.

Even when the USA and Britain dropped over 150,000 bombs via air raids on 6-7 German cities (including the complete destruction of Hamburg) the Nazis did not surrender. It's when the Red Army came storming through mutilating, and raping (see rape of Berlin) everything was when the Nazis said: "Aww, fuck..." ... and there are historical reasons that go even before WW1 that play a part in that. That's for another discussion though. Personally, I think the Brits don't get enough credit for their victory during The Blitz... That's just my humble opinion.

Yeah, the Soviet role in winning the war is as documented as the US dropping bombs on Japan. By that, I mean there's no doubt and it's pretty much common knowledge now.

Long story short; USA was victorious, but did not win (meaning single-handedly) the war. That's all, folks.

Yep. Moving on.

 

[S O F I]

video of Gaddafi captured alive. The villagers are pulling at his hair, damn.

 

[dilla]

What will happen to Tragedy Khadafi? Bet he feels like shit now. If his rap career didn't already.

 

[ill-matic]

This shit is disgusting.

 

[The.Menace]

Well, he couldn't expect compassion after everything that happend. It's not 'good' that he was killed that way, but somehow understandable how that situation turned out. He wanted to fight this til the end so that's what it is. He could have left the country months ago. But probablly wasn't able to accept that it's over, and well, that's what you get for it, being a dictator.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

When you rule a country with cruelty you die with cruelty. Can't expect anything less for yourself. It's horrible he created a situation for himself to die that way, but it was his fault.

Hope the next leader of Libya isn't as disgusting as this man was.

 

[masta247]

It's disgusting to see people acting worse than animals there. Unfortunately countries like those aren't ready for "democracy", they need someone to keep their mouths shut to function relatively safely and Gaddafi was good at that for so many years. It'll be like Iraq without Hussein - you won't be able to leave them by themselves now.

 

[Pittsey]

Just because America didn't play the main part in the victory against the Axis powers doesn't mean it wasn't victorious. To say otherwise is ludicrous.

I know what Flip is saying and what Masta is saying. However, the US emerged as a winner regardless if it wasn't the main reason for victory. We're differing on definitions of winning. Some of you seem to have a very precise, primitive definition of what winning is.

I agree. Depends on your definition.

Britain didn't jump in when it was supposed to either. Fucked Poland over a little. It's only when the war hits your doorstep that you get involved. Unless you have an oil or Zion based agenda that is...!

In regards to Gaddafi. It seems to me that the Libyans have swapped one regime for another. 20 years of turmoil coming up. Suits some though I suppose.

 

[Prize Gotti]

USA came out as a victor in WW2, amongst many other allied countries, that is obvious, but to say they are the main reason why WW2 was won by the Allies is a complete crock of shit. Even when the USA and Britain dropped over 150,000 bombs via air raids on 6-7 German cities (including the complete destruction of Hamburg) the Nazis did not surrender. It's when the Red Army came storming through mutilating, and raping (see rape of Berlin) everything was when the Nazis said: "Aww, fuck..." ... and there are historical reasons that go even before WW1 that play a part in that. That's for another discussion though. Personally, I think the Brits don't get enough credit for their victory during The Blitz... That's just my humble opinion.

Long story short; USA was victorious, but did not win (meaning single-handedly) the war. That's all, folks.

Surrender or just giving up does not count as a Victory for the opposing for force. The allied forces, UK, USA, Russia and so forth won nothing, they just successfully defended their land. Some people have a misconception of what "Victory" means, it means to defeat some one. Retirement from battle does not count as defeat. Like America "winning" the war of Independence. America didn't win shit, the Red coats just said "fuck these yanks" and left.

 

[Flipmo]

You can see it your way if you want to go into details, but if you're able to repel the enemy and force them into surrender - you are a victor in the general sense of the word. While the Allies didn't particularly annex Germany/Axis nations, they imposed the terms of surrender. Germany did indeed lose territorial claims, the Oder-Neisse line comes to mind, and they were "occupied" by the allies for quite some time, and the aftermath of West and East Germany.

Britain's withdraw in the American War of independence can be seen as a defeat since they didn't achieve their goal, the United-States did on the other hand. Britain lost territories in the Americas and through the Treaty of Paris the United-States accomplished their goal.

Now if there was a retirement from battle, and the status-quo returned, then yes - not a victory - just a stalemate. When you submit the terms of surrender, and they are granted - that's a victory imho.

 

[Prize Gotti]

You can see it your way if you want to go into details, but if you're able to repel the enemy and force them into surrender - you are a victor in the general sense of the word. While the Allies didn't particularly annex Germany/Axis nations, they imposed the terms of surrender. Germany did indeed lose territorial claims, the Oder-Neisse line comes to mind, and they were "occupied" by the allies for quite some time, and the aftermath of West and East Germany.

Britain's withdraw in the American War of independence can be seen as a defeat since they didn't achieve their goal, the United-States did on the other hand. Britain lost territories in the Americas and through the Treaty of Paris the United-States accomplished their goal.

Now if there was a retirement from battle, and the status-quo returned, then yes - not a victory - just a stalemate. When you submit the terms of surrender, and they are granted - that's a victory imho.

No where in the dictionary does it define "victory" as "repel the enemy and force them to surrender" in any sense. It does mention several times about superiority and defeating the enemey though, because, after all, thats what the word means. Please, check the dictionary for yourselves, because alot of you seem to be unfamiliar with it.

 

[Flipmo]

vic·to·ry

   [vik-tuh-ree, vik-tree]
noun, plural -ries.
1.
a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war.
2.
an engagement ending in such triumph: American victories in the Pacific were won at great cost.
3.
the ultimate and decisive superiority in any battle or contest: The new vaccine effected a victory over poliomyelitis.
4.
a success or superior position achieved against any opponent, opposition, difficulty, etc.: a moral victory.
5.
(initial capital letter

) the ancient Roman goddess Victoria, often represented in statues or on coins as the personification of victory.

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Surrender and repelling the enemy is a consequence of having a superior position as well as being successful against an opponent. Hence, it stands as a victory. The context still fits.

Edit: Thanks Gotti, now I'm in a conversation where I'm excited to get a response, so I keep coming back looking for one. This is an excellent use of office-time.

 

[S O F I]

Let's see if this argument applies to more common, daily occurrences. If you step up on my block, I tell you to go fuck off, you fuck off, I WON THAT FIGHT.

You will try to tell your friends otherwise, but they won't believe you or agree with you. You pussied out, you lost. End of story. Shove a vagina where your balls used to be.

 

[S O F I]

In regards to Gaddafi. It seems to me that the Libyans have swapped one regime for another. 20 years of turmoil coming up. Suits some though I suppose.

Except it's going to be worse. Serbia had good ties with Libya for a long time so its press was sympathetic to Gaddafi. I don't have proof for what I'm saying, but this is what they were saying. Under Gaddafi:

1. Free healthcare
2. Free college education
3. You get married, you get an apartment

As for the CIA Factbook stats:

1. Relatively high GDP per capita
2. High literacy rate
3. Good sanitation
4. Low public debt

So what if he killed a few people here and there. If you shut up, work, you will live a relatively good life, a life that many in America can only dream of.

 

[dilla]

Speaking of territories in turmoil, when will Palestine just get the hell out and let Israel be?

 

[vg4030]

So what if he killed a few people here and there. If you shut up, work, you will live a relatively good life, a life that many in America can only dream of.

Thats what I tell my wife

 

[ArtsyGirl]

Speaking of territories in turmoil, when will Palestine just get the hell out and let Israel be?

Or when will Israel just get the hell out and let Palestine be?

See tit for tat.

 

[hizzle?]

Except it's going to be worse. Serbia had good ties with Libya for a long time so its press was sympathetic to Gaddafi. I don't have proof for what I'm saying, but this is what they were saying. Under Gaddafi:

1. Free healthcare
2. Free college education
3. You get married, you get an apartment

As for the CIA Factbook stats:

1. Relatively high GDP per capita
2. High literacy rate
3. Good sanitation
4. Low public debt

So what if he killed a few people here and there. If you shut up, work, you will live a relatively good life, a life that many in America can only dream of.

Libya had a better literacy rate than most Western and industrialized countries.

And the first 3 facts under Gaddafi were true.

That country was not that bad. Hell, I'd live under a dictator if I could get an apartment with my wife and free healthcare for my children... Fuck freedom of speech, none of us have anything smart to say anyway...