the single?
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First Single (Feat. Bone Thugs) (Radio Rip)
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I agree that the diverse opinions is what makes 2pac fans great.
Here is the point. Those of you that have the argument that if 2pac was alive he would have worked with so and so. The last time I checked 2pac is deceased. It is like saying Elvis if he was alive would have worked with whoever. The RIGHT thing to do is to release the songs how they were originally mixed and market the hell out of it. Or release the songs remixed with today's producers and also release the original mixes as a double CD. :thumb:
Here is the point. Those of you that have the argument that if 2pac was alive he would have worked with so and so. The last time I checked 2pac is deceased. It is like saying Elvis if he was alive would have worked with whoever. The RIGHT thing to do is to release the songs how they were originally mixed and market the hell out of it. Or release the songs remixed with today's producers and also release the original mixes as a double CD. :thumb:
To all you people that think you're cool because you're apart of the minority of people that enjoy this remix, shut the hell up.
And to everybody saying "well atleast this is a good club song that the masses can dance to"... is this really what you're looking for in a Pac song? There's enough rappers on the radio making "club songs". Nobody whips out their 2Pac CDs when they want to get crunk. Pac's music is supposed to be emotional, you're supposed to feel it. I'm sure Pac never dreamed that a song as raw as Untouchable would be remixed by a mediocre producer for drunk clubgoers to bob their heads to. If you want a crunk track, cop Lil Jon's album. Or maybe that new Young Joc.
This isn't what Pac's music is about.
And to everybody saying "well atleast this is a good club song that the masses can dance to"... is this really what you're looking for in a Pac song? There's enough rappers on the radio making "club songs". Nobody whips out their 2Pac CDs when they want to get crunk. Pac's music is supposed to be emotional, you're supposed to feel it. I'm sure Pac never dreamed that a song as raw as Untouchable would be remixed by a mediocre producer for drunk clubgoers to bob their heads to. If you want a crunk track, cop Lil Jon's album. Or maybe that new Young Joc.
This isn't what Pac's music is about.
the collective members of all the 2pac internet forums make up less than 1% of people who buy the CDs. pac wanted his music to reach the masses. like it or not, this is the way.
so you need to shut the fuck up with these "this isn't what he would have wanted" posts. everyone's heard it all before.
pac is not here, and only pac would know what he'd want. not his friends, not his family. not us.
2pac's music changed immensely throughout the last years of his life. me against the world, all eyez on me and makaveli were all very different albums. pac was unpredicable. if he was alive today, im sure his music would be far from anything we currently consider something he would have wanted.
none of us could know what he would want.
think about this track.
* his vocals are not hi-pitched or fucked up like Ghetto Gospel.
* someone he actually worked with is on the track.
this is not a fairy-tale. this is the way shit works, and amaru is actually taking positive steps to please us forum-frequenters somewhat.
i'm sure there are much better tracks on the album, and when people buy it (after hearing the official single, which might be better than this), they might very well find a few songs which are so good that it encourages them to purchase the albums he recorded prior to his death and subsequently discover the real tupac.
i do think that songs don't need to be like this to reach the masses, but we are not likely to see truly great songs again.
you might ask:
but tupac recorded these songs with beats, so shouldn't producers keep the lyrics and beat in context? shouldn't they at least make beats that stay true to the theme set out in the originals?
my answer:
yes they should. the beats influenced his lyrics or, if he had pre-written lines, influenced his delivery. producers should recreate the rhythm and theme of the beats in order to portray his lyrics as close to the originals as possible.
but how many producers are there that can do that?
so you need to shut the fuck up with these "this isn't what he would have wanted" posts. everyone's heard it all before.
pac is not here, and only pac would know what he'd want. not his friends, not his family. not us.
2pac's music changed immensely throughout the last years of his life. me against the world, all eyez on me and makaveli were all very different albums. pac was unpredicable. if he was alive today, im sure his music would be far from anything we currently consider something he would have wanted.
none of us could know what he would want.
think about this track.
* his vocals are not hi-pitched or fucked up like Ghetto Gospel.
* someone he actually worked with is on the track.
this is not a fairy-tale. this is the way shit works, and amaru is actually taking positive steps to please us forum-frequenters somewhat.
i'm sure there are much better tracks on the album, and when people buy it (after hearing the official single, which might be better than this), they might very well find a few songs which are so good that it encourages them to purchase the albums he recorded prior to his death and subsequently discover the real tupac.
i do think that songs don't need to be like this to reach the masses, but we are not likely to see truly great songs again.
you might ask:
but tupac recorded these songs with beats, so shouldn't producers keep the lyrics and beat in context? shouldn't they at least make beats that stay true to the theme set out in the originals?
my answer:
yes they should. the beats influenced his lyrics or, if he had pre-written lines, influenced his delivery. producers should recreate the rhythm and theme of the beats in order to portray his lyrics as close to the originals as possible.
but how many producers are there that can do that?
when i first heard the track, i was like WTF? but after hearing it a few more times, i guess its coo... i cant imagine myself gettin down to it at a club... and i doubt it will get that much radio play or club play... especially since, I cant imagine them putting out a video to it... and whens the last time you've heard bone on a track in the club...
to sum it up... pac asks "AM I WRONG CUZ I WANNA GET IT ON TILL I DIE?"
The answer to that question depends on your opinion of whats coming out now... maybe he was wrong....
to sum it up... pac asks "AM I WRONG CUZ I WANNA GET IT ON TILL I DIE?"
The answer to that question depends on your opinion of whats coming out now... maybe he was wrong....
alright, i've listened to it a few more times... the hook stays in my head.... i like it... lol.... is it a classic... mmm... that remains to be seen... but right now...im diggin it... i like that line... "ya'll remember me, legendary, live eternally..." cant wait to see whats on the rest of the album... anyone know how many tracks? im guessin 13
That's a stupid excuse. They don't remix Pac's material so his message reaches the masses, they just do whatever gets them more money. I'm sure Pac didn't want his music to be remixed just so the masses - who don't even care for his lyrics and message - enjoy it. Like Dante said, he did make some club songs that would have made successful singles, why fuck with something like Untouchable?
You can argue that we'll never know what Pac actually wanted, but it's safe to say he would've rather had his music released in original format than have it remixed into a totally new vibe.
Like a few people in this thread have said, Pac's music is timeless. People today are still bumping his albums that were released while he was alive. Who gives a shit if 13 year old wannabe thugs flossing sludge metal chains enjoy a crunk Pac remix. They'll forgot about it in a month.
You can argue that we'll never know what Pac actually wanted, but it's safe to say he would've rather had his music released in original format than have it remixed into a totally new vibe.
Like a few people in this thread have said, Pac's music is timeless. People today are still bumping his albums that were released while he was alive. Who gives a shit if 13 year old wannabe thugs flossing sludge metal chains enjoy a crunk Pac remix. They'll forgot about it in a month.
you made some good points, but i know this much... when i take the time to create a concept for a song, produce an instrumental for the song by myself, and then record and mix the song, chances are i didn't intent on some random stranger coming back years later and completely changing the sound, concept, and structure of the song.
some day the studio footage of pac might leak out and when it does i think a lot of minds will be changed. to see pac hear the letz fight og pre-production beat and go crazy over it saying it's one of the rawest beats ever and how he wants to rip it up kind of makes you wonder how he'd have felt to hear it remixed as it and others have been. seems to me that he didn't just spit over anything, so surely undermining his artistic decisions can't always be a good thing, no?
some day the studio footage of pac might leak out and when it does i think a lot of minds will be changed. to see pac hear the letz fight og pre-production beat and go crazy over it saying it's one of the rawest beats ever and how he wants to rip it up kind of makes you wonder how he'd have felt to hear it remixed as it and others have been. seems to me that he didn't just spit over anything, so surely undermining his artistic decisions can't always be a good thing, no?
i know nothing about music production, but is it really that hard for producers "to recreate the rhythm and theme of the beats in order to portray his lyrics as close to the originals as possible"???
i dont want to be a hater, yet does the producer need to be outstanding master fuckin good in order to improve something???? i mean, he wont have to do it from scratch!
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