Ever get the feeling that maybe it was better for Pac that he died?

[masta247]

That's a crazy statement. I think most people would consider Unconditional Luv one of his greatest songs. That's just one of many examples too numerous to list.

Btw. Unconditional luv isn't originally Pac's song.

 

[cookies]

^^lol are u a pac fan? why u shittin on posthmous pac songs? smart ass

 

[warriorinjewelz]

Btw. Unconditional luv isn't originally Pac's song.

but he did write it and record it. whether he was doing it for hammer or not i don't really care. it's a great song. peace

 

[Morris]

Btw. Unconditional luv isn't originally Pac's song.

Of course it's originally Pac's song, regardless of whether Pac made it and wrote it for someone else to use.

I don't think him beating down Orlando Anderson would've gotten him into much legal trouble. Remember, when questioned, Orlando didn't want to file a report or press charges (because you know that's not how they deal with problems like these). I don't think that your average guy watching the security cameras in a hotel would realize that the guys are from the Death Row entourage (yes, we recognize Pac and Suge, but only because we know it's them), and had Pac not been shot that night, the camera footage wouldn't have been reviewed the way it was, and Suge probably wouldn't have been busted for parole violation either.

I disagree with this. Suge and Pac are pretty damn recognizable on that tape, and it's a clear violation of his parole. If anything, that incident may have accounted for the most possible jail time Pac would have been facing if he lived.

 

[Bender]

PAC LOST A FINGER?! Fuck off! I dont believe that, being that its the first time i've heard that said in over ten years of following 2pac.

This is a stupid hypothetical question.

 

[kyrus]

my thoughts...

it is true that the armored death row limo was to have been present in vegas, and likewise that pac was going to have to face the music with the rape case (and a multitude of others that remained pending). so let's imagine that pac wasn't shot that night in vegas. where would he be?

professionally makaveli was a character persona developed for pac's war with bad boy and his other rivals. obviously while he was recording makaveli tracks in the summer of 1996 he was also recording 2pac tracks, such as words to my firstborn for random example, so the point is illustrated that he was still 2pac and hadn't transformed fully into makaveli. one of pac's albums that he had recorded for release after makaveli sometime was entirely clean, and meant for the kids/parents/radio. this album is further support for makaveli being a phase, and not representing a constant facet he had developed.

it's likely that pac would have pursued acting more than recording after a time, since in the end that's where his roots are and how he got into entertainment in the first place, but we have to remember that he was on bought time. the fact that he was on borrowed and very finite time means that he'd probably have continued recoding like a madman until his time was up. this leads to...

legally pac was on bail, he wasn't free. he still had pending trials against him for a variety of charges in several states, and of course the most significant being the sexual abuse/sodomy case in new york. in all reality he was going away for a very long time. one might speculate that with his celebrity, being who he was might create an oj simpson type circus of a trial ending with his freedom, but the reality is that the climate at that time was very anti-rap music in white and wealthy america. shit, i even wrote a sarcastic letter to newsweek in 1995 praising them for panning literally every hip hop related project without fail or discrimination. point is that the world was against him, except for the minority of us who'd had called ourselves fans. a judge's duty is not only to enforce the law of the land, it's also to perform social justice based on the prevailing moral climate of the society as well as the punitive puritan code on which this country was established.

so then, what could we expect? well being that he had a multitude of cases and sentencings pending from prior events, these would most likely be relevant to establish his character in court. the prosecutor already took that route in the pretrial sessions (see the courthouse interview used in the uteot video), and she'd have been successful in the real trial as well. face it, we like the guy but pac was but he had a long rap sheet, came from a family of rebels and lawbreakers, his own mother was in prison for her involvement in a plot that took several people's lives (later acquitted), rapped of violence/misogyny/hate/provocation/drug abuse (which was interpreted as endorsement), and trouble seemed to follow him everywhere he went. when the jury would look at the big picture that the prosecutor would have painted of pac't life, he'd have been locked up for 10 years.

personally my thought is that pac would have fled the country as his trial wound to a close. in songs and interviews he constantly says that "they" will never lock me up again. you can interpret the outro of picture me rollin as pac speaking on his death (which most do) or as i do, which is speaking on his flight. close your eves and picture him rolling as he was here when he was happy, since he's gone and on the run now - never to lead his life the same again. i doubt he'd have gone out like david koresh, but pac's interviews of his time in prison painted it to be hell for him and he'd rather face death than that barren existence. i can't blame him.

relationship wise, sure pac and dada were very tight, but as stated before, i think pac just didn't lead the life of a family man. there was no time, and he may have thought that it would be unfair to share the burden of his flight. had he gotten caught, for example, his partner in flight would also face harboring charges. i would wager that pac's work would continue being put out much as it is now (albeit not as shittily) but he would not have much promotion or endorsement. for those who know of his story, pac would be the 2000 version of roman polansky, but possibly hunted like salman rushdie.

politically irrelevant. pac's criminal past prohibited him from becoming an elected official, but moreover the majority vote would never support someone like him. the people online who say he'd have run for an elected position are idiots. pac may have attended rallies (like the one for prop 217 [i think it was] in which he's dressed in a white suit) but that would be it. it would be destructive for a candidate to even have him on the same stage in support.

in the end my opinion is that pac would still be a legend in his own time, but there's no way he'd have the universal favor that his estate celebrates now. he'd have been sent to prison, there is no question about that, and that being the case it's also more than likely that he'd have vanished. kind of depressing when you think about it all, and even moreso when you ponder that all of this was on his mind every second of the day. i can understand why he didn't sleep and why he chain smoked, but it's mind boggling how he was able to channel a lot of this nervous energy into the mass production of amazing music.

awesome thread. as you can see i have a lot of opinions on the subject.

good post man . Everybody needs to read that.

But I think its weird that pac didnt even bother to do his community service. Its like dam. He was going threw all that sh*t and he still managed to keep it together on tv and in interviews. You would think he would do what he had to do and sh*t to avoid getting loccked back up

Its like when u see him in interviews hes all cool and sh*t but in reality he was facing felony gun charges, then he had that rape case, vilation of his bond for not showing up to community service, on top of all that he was still smokin a lotta weed hanging around the teenage outlaw immotals, add to all that he was still wachin his bullet holes heal up, and he had initiated the east coast west coast war. then he was still basically fresh off a 1 year prison bid so hes still had that mentality. I just think tupac was so preoccupied with the thug life that it influenced all of his moves. But then you see him in a interview talkin about one of his movies and he would appear like the consemant proffesional. Tupac was definatly 1 of a kind

 

[Lost Soul]

PAC LOST A FINGER?! Fuck off! I dont believe that, being that its the first time i've heard that said in over ten years of following 2pac.

This is a stupid hypothetical question.

I've read this numerous times.

Great topic BTW!

 

[masta247]

PAC LOST A FINGER?! Fuck off! I dont believe that, being that its the first time i've heard that said in over ten years of following 2pac.

This is a stupid hypothetical question.

lol I thought it's clear

 

[Kadafi Son]

Real Tight Thread

 

[masta247]

i've got a question bout unreleased Pac's work by the way. Mostly to Dante. Is there a song that is really tight n could be a big hit that most of us don't have? I'm askin this because 2pac was recording songs like changes, dear mama etc that were really popular. So is there a song like those that wasn't released yet?

 

[Dante]

i've got a question bout unreleased Pac's work by the way. Mostly to Dante. Is there a song that is really tight n could be a big hit that most of us don't have? I'm askin this because 2pac was recording songs like changes, dear mama etc that were really popular. So is there a song like those that wasn't released yet?

well yes i suppose. all depends on the image meant to be portrayed. a few originals that were changed on recent releases could have been single-worthy to me.

 

[Think_ThuGLiFE]

a few im thinkin off jus on top of the dome are ; who do u beleive in , hell 4 a huslter , my block remix , dont u trust me , black cotton , lil homies , last 1 left , mamas jus a lil girl , changed man, late night , fair exchange , street fame, and Killuminati.

They need harder singles , why are they trying 2 make 2pac some sesitive lil girl. He had 2 sides , good bad ying and yang. They need a balance. A hard song and a soft one , not a bunch of soft ones.

 

[Dante]

changed man for example would have been another california love if they had released it as og

 

[masta247]

a few im thinkin off jus on top of the dome are ; who do u beleive in , hell 4 a huslter , my block remix , dont u trust me , black cotton , lil homies , last 1 left , mamas jus a lil girl , changed man, late night , fair exchange , street fame, and Killuminati.

They need harder singles , why are they trying 2 make 2pac some sesitive lil girl. He had 2 sides , good bad ying and yang. They need a balance. A hard song and a soft one , not a bunch of soft ones.

yeah those songs would be dope. Also po nigga blues i think.

 

[masta247]

changed man for example would have been another california love if they had released it as og

Damn those fuckers at amaru should be shot Why they fuck up songs that are truely great. I suppose that if next Pac's album comes out they'll promote it with most fucked remix

 

[Mongol]

changed man for example would have been another california love if they had released it as og

is the og similar to cali love music wise or the track just great by itself?

Great posts everyone. I wish every damn thread would start off like these and continue a real nice discussions.

 

[Dante]

is the og similar to cali love music wise or the track just great by itself?

Great posts everyone. I wish every damn thread would start off like these and continue a real nice discussions.

the beat is something you could easily hear in most clubs and nate rips the hooks. very uptempo song and just amazing. in my opinion what they did to it was like what em did to ghetto gospel.

 

[masta247]

the beat is something you could easily hear in most clubs and nate rips the hooks. very uptempo song and just amazing. in my opinion what they did to it was like what em did to ghetto gospel.

Damn i could only hope it leaks some day. I wish i could hear it.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

the beat is something you could easily hear in most clubs and nate rips the hooks. very uptempo song and just amazing. in my opinion what they did to it was like what em did to ghetto gospel.

Any hints as to who produced the OG? I figure it must've been a short song, since Pac's verses on the retail version seemed short, and even with the T.I. verse it doesn't seem long.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Any hints as to who produced the OG? I figure it must've been a short song, since Pac's verses on the retail version seemed short, and even with the T.I. verse it doesn't seem long.

The original producer is Johnny J, it's listed in the Better Dayz booklet.