Depression

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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#41
Plus.... I think you can probably take different bits from the book at different times of your life. It can help you when you feel alienated by adult life.... Or if you are experiencing grief, for example. Good Book...

And may I add..... Posh Spice's favourite... :)
 

Casey

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#42
I thought it was fairly obvious that Holden changed because of the death of his brother and it made him a more bitter, internalized person. That's why he smashed the window, and mostly ran away from everything and did everything that led up to him being institutionalized (where the book begins). My last post was kind of tongue in cheek. Obviously I get the more subtle meanings of it.

Also, +1 for what Joker said about the loss of childhood innocence and his frustrations with that. That's why he gets upset at reading the scrawled "Fuck You"'s written on the walls, with the thought of Phoebe having to read it. That's something that would pull her into the adult world and it's not what he wants for her, himself, or anyone.

Damn, now I'm feeling like reading it again for the 945th time.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#44
I just saw The Avengers. It's all about the loss of childhood innocence. Loki lost his when he found out Odin wasn't his real father, that's why he acts out. He's actually grieving for the loss of his brother Thor now that he knows he was adopted. It's what makes The Hulk break windows and run away from everything. He doesn't want to be institutionalized and put in a cage. Captain America yearns for the innocent 40s when people had ideals. He gets upset when he sees "Stark" on the building, with the thought of The Wasp having to see it in a future movie. He knows that the unmitigated capitalism of Tony will pull her into the adult world and it's not what he wants for her or for Susan Storm or for the She-Hulk.

Maybe Captain America is a socialist.
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#47
Everything is one.

No, but really. I really wanna attack this thread. I just cba because I have so many thoughts on the matter.
 

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