Anti-Tupac Article; Let's destroy this argument

Euphanasia

Well-Known Member
#1
I was surfing the web this afternoon and came across this article. Although it's not really surprising to read something so biased and truthless, especially coming from someone who is an admitted West Coast hater, I must profess that I felt nothing less than shocked and appalled after having read the article. Obviously, as both a member of this board and avid fan of the late Tupac Shakur, I could not disagree more with this individual. I thought it would be appropriate to paste this article so that you guys could share your thoughts. Here it is:



May 18, 2005


Tupac Shakur Is Way Overrated


For some reason, a few readers of this site have labeled me as being a hater of the late Tupac Shakur. I know, I know, I’m from the East Coast and happened to be down with P. Diddy and the Bad Boy crew (no homo) during the middle of the East/ West coast beef, but I never saw myself as a hater. As a matter of fact, one of my favorite hip hop songs ever is “Hit Em Up” where he basically told me “fuck you too” for being down with Bad Boy. Anyways, I was extremely saddened by Mr. Shakur’s untimely demise back in 1996 and even commemorated his death by purchasing all of his cd’s that I didn’t own at the time. At the time of his death, there was a lot of talk about how dude was a poet, a leader of our generation and so on and so on. Of course I associated all this talk with the type of sentimental shit that’s said upon someone’s passing. As time passed though, I became intrigued by how dude was becoming some type of legend. I also became annoyed as fuck.

Last week, I was going through all my songs on my ipod and since all of 2pac’s material came up first, I decided that I would give dude a second chance and listen to his music, just in case I had been unfairly judging his status as a hip hop icon. I listened to his first lp, “2Pacalypse Now”, released in 1991, and believe me when I emphatically say that that album sounds like pure effin garbage and I’m somewhat pissed off that I shelled out some of my hard earned cash on this piece of possum shit. There’s like no decent sounding track on it and I can’t decipher what’s worse, his feeble attempt to rhyme or the piss poor sub par production. Even the “breakout” hit single “Brenda’s Got A Baby” was pure kaa kaa, but being that that was like the first rap song dedicated in it’s entirety to every hood rat ghetto single mother across the country, it was deemed to be prolific by every baby momma alive. Eff that, that shit was weak by any hip hop classic standard. “2Pacalypse Now” got a expeditious delete from my library and I realize I must have been pretty effin amped up a year ago, upon getting a new ipod , what with me importing trash like this unto my itunes library.

Next up was his 2nd Lp, “Strictly For My N.I.G.G.A.S” released in 1993. First and foremost, the title deserves a huge NO HOMO sticker on the cd cover, what with some gay ass title like that. Secondly, I don’t know if the periods embedded in “N.I.G.G.A.S.” is supposed to mean something encoded or some strange Tupac form of Ebonics, whatever, I couldn’t give a rats scrotum about it’s meaning as it’s just plain stupid, then and now!!! The only song on that album that comes even close to being hot is “I Get Around”, but I always saw that as being a Digital Underground song featuring Pac as their weed carrying side artist. What with his first LP being all whack, the Underground decided they would help their lil homey out, similar to how Jay Z helps his lil homey Memphis Bleek out every now and then. Production on that song was tight, Pac’s flow improved dramatically overnight, but Shock G stole the show with his classic line “I’m Shock G, the one who put the satin on your panties.” The rest of the album really really really sucked much moose cock and once again I was pissed that I spent some cash on this vile piece of cat vomit. As I expeditiously deleted this crap from my library, I realized that I must have really been emotional when dude died, what with me including this shit in my music collection. Now I know this lp was released shortly after Pac’s “stunning” acting debut “Juice”, and a whole bunch of people got caught up in his portrayal of the “Bishop” character, but to me, his character suffered from a severe case of bi-polar based mental issues and since I actually knew cats like that back in the day in Brooklyn, I wasn’t impressed since they were all mental bitch made niggas until they had a gun in their hands. In addition, since “Juice” was Pac’s movie, why was the hottest song on the actual soundtrack “Know The Ledge” by Eric B. and Rakim? Sheet, Pac’s music was nowhere on the whole effin cd!!! A lot of people bought into it, but I for one didn’t sip the “juice”.

Next up was “Me Against The World” released in 1995. Now I gotta hand it to that nigga Pac, the hype surrounding this album’s release was incredible and effin unheard of at the time. First, dude got all shot up with five hot ones in his ass (no homo) in a New York studio in 1994 and SURVIVES!!! He then checks himself out of the hospital for “security” reasons and also, because he has to make it to court on a rape charge. I remember the image of Pac getting wheeled out of the courthouse days after being shot, all bandaged up with his middle finger pointed straight to the heavens and thinking “What a gully ass crazy muh fucker this dude is turning into!” He then gets sentenced to a bid in jail and starts blaming like the entire East Coast for all of his misfortunes and I’m feeling really sorry for dude, what with his little ass getting all plundered (no homo) all Oz style behind bars. Then the single “Dear Mama” comes out and it’s the first time dude has great production, rapping skills are intact and he’s saying some shit EVERYBODY can relate to. That song right there is genius in the same way Stevie Wonder’s “Happy Birthday” is geniuos, its an effin holiday song that will get played like forever and ever. An effin Mother’s Day song!!!! The only other song on there that’s worthy of a playback is “Old School” what with its tight production and Pac’s improved rhyme cadence. The rest of the album is ehh, lukewarm, not as bad as his prior two releases, but decent enough, especially since the hype behind it made it damn near impossible not to wonder what this crazy ass nigga was talking about!!! Other than the two aforementioned songs, the rest of the lp got deleted from my library.

1996 was the year “All Eyez On Me” hit the streets. With this lp, the world was introduced to the “new and improved” Tupac Shakur. Now down with the infamous Suge Knight and signed to the most dangerous record label of all time, Death Row Records, Pac was geared to drop a classic, especially since he was now armed with one of hip hop’s greatest producers of all time, Dr. Dre. In addition, Pac single handedly orchestrated the weird but historical East/West coast beef and spit venom in every interview about Bad Boy, Diddy, B.I.G. and almost all things East related. Man, dude was like one unstoppable train wreck, impossible to turn away from. Album wise, dude was at the top of his game with the instant classics “Ambitionz As A Ridah” and“Hearts Of Men” (no homo), but now that dude has demonstrated that he has finally learned how to rhyme, he fucks it up by putting too many corny sounding weed carriers on his album. Yeah, cats like Snoop, Richie Rich and even Nate Dogg I can understand, but what in the eff is a Big Syke and a Rappin 4 Tay doing on this joint? Even “Got My Mind Made Up” featuring Method Man and Red Man sounds forced what with Pac declaring civil war on New York. How the fuck did they end up on that track? Finally, I don’t know whose idea it was to make this lp here a double cd, but with too many cuts and too many effin weed carriers, shit just got confusing along the way and would’ve been a better (not classic) cd with like only ten songs.

Finally “The Don Killuminati, The 7 Day Theory” recorded right before and released right after his death in 1996. (I in no way count the hundred or so other albums released after this one, since dude is dead and who knows what the fuck type of “studio magic” went into putting those other shits together.) I have to admit, this was really Tupac at his best, with his new character Makaveli sounding all raw and angry, dude really let you know he had gone way the fuck off the deep end and had become one crazy mother fucker!!!! Beats were tighter than anything ever produced for him, dude had rabid venom in his voice like he was infected by rage, and boy did he let everyone have it, from Jay Z on down to his own producer and label mate Dr. Dre!!!! No one was safe from his insane verbal ass whipping. This was the closest dude had to having a classic album. The reason it fell short? 25 more unknown weed carriers included in almost every effin joint!!!! If I were Pac and had blazing tracks like “Hail Mary” or “Intro/Bomb First”, there’s no way in hell I would allow my whack ass lackey’s to be featured on those tracks, NO EFFIN WAY!!! That being said, this lp had like four solid joints on it, the two I just mentioned along with “Toss It Up” (no homo), “Me And My Girlfriend” and “Against All Odds” which was the perfect song to end his career with. Throw in my favorite “Hit ‘Em Up” which was also recorded around the time this album was being produced (sans weed carriers off course) and you have a decent discography of like 16 strong records (actually 10 strong records once weed carrier and side artist elements are factored in).

After taking all of this in, I can understand the Tupac hype, which comes down to two points:

1) Tupac, if he deserved any accolade, was that throughout the course of his career, he never let go of his initial acting role in “Juice” and lp by lp, he perfected that role until he eventually and actually became that psycho bi-polar crazy ass nigga “Bishop”. If anything, he should have been nominated for a new type of Oscar, one where the actor really and truly becomes the character like five years after the movie came out.

2) You know how every chick with mental/emotional issues loves Sade? Well Tupac touched (no homo) every gangbanger, thug and thug wannabe with mental/ emotional issues. I’m sure most of those dudes are pretty eff’ed up in the head what with them losing homey after homey every other week in ‘da hood due to gunfire and gang warfare. Instead of going to see a therapist (which I can’t even imagine those dudes ever doing) ‘Pac became like their Sade. I even remember some dude posting on this site about how he sits in his truck, listens to Tupac and starts crying like a lil bitch. So yeah I get it, Tupac is like a thug’s Sade,, difference being that Sade dropped like 4 classic albums

That being said, the late Tupac Shakur is waaaaaaaay overrated.

Here's the website where I found this: http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/05/tupac_is_way_ov.html

I do not have time to respond to this article right now, but I will check in later to share my thoughts.

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masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#2
I think it's been written by someone who has many complexes after Pac winning beef with bad boy because Bad boy was scared to reply and now when Pac died he tries to diss him back. He doesn't bring any serious argument except "i don't like Pac's music, it suck, it sounds like..." etc

Plus he totally doesn't understand that situation and talking like he's totally not into hip-hop. lmao at "weed carriers"
 

FroDawgg

Well-Known Member
#6
everyone has their own opinion, and even though i respect that, i don't have to agree with it. and dude sounds like a total homophobe who scared of being labeled gay, because he types "no homo" every other sentence, even when naming songs, like "heartz of men"! i guess he didn't know that that phrase had been around long before the song.
 
#8
DRAVEN007 said:
He Must Be Some Bad Boy Fagat I'm In New York And From Brooklyn Its Bad Boy Killaz 4 Life Pac Is The Best Rapper Ever Fuck Bad Boy.
shut the fuck up.




it's this dudes opinion but damn he sounds like a hatin bitch. strictly 4 my niggaz only good song is i get around? shit i stopped reading the damn thing after that
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#9
^exactly. hes impaired & at the same time is actually a writer for XXL

i remember readin this last year when he wrote it, he also wrote one like 'i smoked with tupac', when what happened was someone in his crew I think jacked a jacket of Pacs backstage at a concert (without knowin it was his) and they found weed in it.

......
 
#10
i can easily destroy any argument which is against 2pac.....show me another rapper who was an activist, show me another rapper which made in bout 5 years more work then 2pac..and then show me another rapper which gave a speech like malcolm and try to help them poor black and white poeples out...he was an poltician

show me nother rapper who made a track like "letter to the prezident" fuckin awesome lyrics

they all should watch ressurection

PS:its like muhameed ali, he fought for human rights too, and poepls still say he was an overratet boxer.,...its buthing but jealousy

2pac:
Heavenly Father may I holla at you briefly
I wanna meet the President, but will he meet me?
He's scared to look inside the eyes of a Thug Nigga
We tired of bein scapegoats for this capitalistic drug dealin
How hypocritical is Liberty?
That blind bitch ain't never did shit for me
My history, full of casket and scars
My own black nation at war, whole family behind bars
And they wonder why we scarred, thirteen lookin hard
Sister had a baby as an adolescent, where was God?
Somewhere in the middle of my mind
is a nigga on the tightrope, screamin let him die
Can't lie I'm a thug, drownin in my own blood
Lookin for the reason that my momma's strung out on drugs
Down to die, for everything I represent
Meant every word, in my letter to the President
at least anyone who say pac is overratet say fight for human rights is overratet

edit:
I listened to his first lp, “2Pacalypse Now”, released in 1991, and believe me when I emphatically say that that album sounds like pure effin garbage and I’m somewhat pissed off that
he should learn english, the message of all tracks is pure reality, but he judge the album oze of the quality..hater bitch
 

SonOf2pac

Well-Known Member
#11
i've read this before... obviously he's not a 2pac fan because he was down with bad boy... from there on you know it's a biased paper... this could go the other way with a die hard death row fan and biggie
 
#13
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo

jesus christ
 
#15
omgwtflol said:
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo
no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo no homo

jesus christ
i was going to mention that... haha but you got to it before me.
 

Bobby Sands

Well-Known Member
#16
If 2Pac is over-rated then why can i listen to his music on a continuous.I first got into 2Pac(no homo lol) in 95 and i bought my first 2Pac album,Greatest Hits, in 98.Since then i have collected about 400+ rap/hip hop albums.Iv heard everything thats any good.2Pac is the only artist i can listen to along with the Wu-Tang Clan on a continuous basis without getting sick of the music.
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#17
Tupac Tha Great said:
If 2Pac is over-rated then why can i listen to his music on a continuous.I first got into 2Pac(no homo lol) in 95 and i bought my first 2Pac album,Greatest Hits, in 98.Since then i have collected about 400+ rap/hip hop albums.Iv heard everything thats any good.2Pac is the only artist i can listen to along with the Wu-Tang Clan on a continuous basis without getting sick of the music.
lol exactly the same here :eek: except the fact that i became his fan after buying greatest hits. Oh and i haven't had so many hip-hop albums :thumb: i was too young to have that much cash :cool: But i can listen to wu-tang and 2pac all the time :thumb:
 
#18
honestly i know all the great rap albums and all the rapper, but at the end i only listen 24/7 pac, coze his voice is his style is pure motivation for me..u can really feel he smoked a shit load weed and drunk bottles of hen..luv it
 

S. Fourteen

Well-Known Member
#19
I listen to Pac and Pac only because he's the greatest MC and no other rapper can match his skills. I think he's a genius because he's able to rhyme like "Picture perfect, I paint a perfect picture".

DRAVEN007 said:
the new gay z song is whack tupac has about the best new song out right now.
 
#20
PurelyPac said:
but what in the eff is a Big Syke and a Rappin 4 Tay doing on this joint? Even “Got My Mind Made Up” featuring Method Man and Red Man sounds forced what with Pac declaring civil war on New York.

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Hard to be mad at this. this guys is just obviously very ignorant how is pac gonna declare a civil war on new york. does he understand the word civil. civil war would be if hes was calling for new york to destory its self. he had problems with biggie everyone wanted to jump in like biggie wasn't a big boy and could take care of his self so he got at them. he didnt wage war against new york if that was the case im sure he wouldn't have been able to clear the sample from method man's bring the pain for no more pain. this guy needs to know the facts before he opens his mouth cause he comes off like an idiot.
 

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