alright, i'm going to get blasted for saying this...

#1
but i honestly don't care if amaru releases more pac material or not.

here are my reasons:

1) pac's best work has already been released probably, with the exception of a few good cuts here and there. as much as i have enjoyed r u still down, still i rise, and better dayz, i really don't find myself going back and listening to those albums when i want to hear pac. it's always matw, tlv1, aeom, dk7, s4mn, or 2pacalyspe. those albums contain pac's best work, for the most part, period. songs are cut from albums for a reason, and while it's not always because they are worse songs, it usually is.

2) in not-hardcore pac fans' eyes, pac is almost this figurehead that won't die, but not in a good way. it's almost a joke to people, like "pac has another album out? haha who produced it, elvis? :rolleyes: " to me, that is just shitting on his legacy. quantity does not always trump quality, especially in music. people want every bit of material released (it won't, because some people have personal treasures that they choose not to share, i.e. ice cube), but if that means a cd of songs like 4 My Niggaz, My Own Style, and random freestyles, count me out.

3) in my opinion, interest in pac's life and music (posthumously) reached a peak of sorts when resurrection came out. since then, releases like 2Pac Live, House of Blues, and the Rose Volume 2 have a very small market of potential buyers. And obviously Lttg was handled improperly on so many levels, such as production, guest appearances, promotion, marketing, etc. that hardcore fans have begun to feel jaded towards amaru records.

4) it's tough to make a rapper, spitting over beats that were hot over ten years ago, sound good when remixed over beats today. that's why a lot of people say leave them alone and just release the originals, but realistically an album of og's probably would not reach the mainstream interest. face it, the number of die-hard 2Pac fans is extremely small relative to the audience that a mainstream rapper such as 50 Cent reaches.

5) i'll always listen to pac for my whole life, but it's time to move on. i want to pop in a cd and project myself back to 95-96 when he was hot and ruled the world. i don't want to, 20 years from now, pop in a cd and reminice back to 2008 when 2Pac was just another joke on dave chapelle's stand up routine.

Obviously, not everyone is going to agree with me nor should they. I'm interested to hear what people think, especially those who became fans after his death.
 

Diaz

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#2
I agree with some of what's being said there, but some of it is just stupid.

I don't know how it is around there, but there's a bunch of people here that still respect 2Pac and I swear almost every fan of him in my school thinks he's alive because more albums keep coming out... they don't think he's a "joke".
 
#3
I gotta agree with you, i love pac, i was a fan when he was alive, have been a fan since he died, and will continue to be a fan until i die. i love hearing "new" things they put out because i love hearin what pac had to say. i didnt mind loyal to the game, why? because i got to hear pac speak.

But i agree with you, it's gotten to a certain place where I hate to see pac made into a joke. Your number 5 point got to me, it's so true, when im 40 years old i want to pop in a 2pac cd and think back to 95, you know, i guess to a point i always will think back to the early ninetys when i listen to pac, but its not the same when i hear him saying gunit and trice. i, like most of you would be the first to go buy a cd with all the originals, because even if it doesnt sound as fresh as some of the rap now, its PAC, and people love him for who he was.

good post dogg
 
#4
Diaz said:
I agree with some of what's being said there, but some of it is just stupid.

I don't know how it is around there, but there's a bunch of people here that still respect 2Pac and I swear almost every fan of him in my school thinks he's alive because more albums keep coming out... they don't think he's a "joke".
i agree that most people respect him, but if they still think he's alive, doesn't that put a cloud of condescending fantasy over his life
 
#5
i gotta say i agree with a lot of what you said. I was a fan when he was alive and still am. And i agree with blackice, i like hearing what pac had to say, although imo, there is no excusing lttg, that album was just poorly done. However, you have to remember that not all of these songs are album "cuts" per se. a lot of them, especially the dr-era songs, were recorded for future albums pac was intending to make, or tracks he did for other artists albums that weren't released due to amaru not giving the rights to the songs back to the artists who did the work with pac. there are many gems in the unreleased vaults, in fact i think some of his best work has been featured on the past few albums, omitting lttg.

with that being said, i agree with your sentiment that pac has almost become a joke in the mainstream. i mean the guy's been dead for almost 10 years and yet still releases an album almost every year since he passed. i can't count the amount of times i've read in magazine or newspaper articles, or seen on tv shows, someone making a comment like "you're dead already! stop putting out albums!" i've even seen articles written where the writer actually believes these tracks are just cut and paste jobs of previous material, put out to exploit his memory and profit off of it. that kind of stuff hurts the legacy.

Diaz said:
I don't know how it is around there, but there's a bunch of people here that still respect 2Pac and I swear almost every fan of him in my school thinks he's alive because more albums keep coming out... they don't think he's a "joke".
i think cardella was more referring to non pac fans than actual fans. and as he points out, if people think he's alive because he's still putting out albums, thats not really helping his legacy either.
 
#6
cardella said:
i don't want to, 20 years from now, pop in a cd and reminice back to 2008 when 2Pac was just another joke on dave chapelle's stand up routine.
This was very nicely put.

I agree to an extent with what you're saying.
However, my environment never really saw the things that I saw in 'Pac, so I'm already used to those remarks and jokes. They just slide off you over time.
 
#7
Yeah good post, i agree with some of the things you mentioned however there's only been one real fuck up so far in LTTG. The house of blues are rose vols. don't really count. Let's just see what they put out in september and go from there.
 
#8
Cheesyphily16 said:
Yeah good post, i agree with some of the things you mentioned however there's only been one real fuck up so far in LTTG. The house of blues are rose vols. don't really count. Let's just see what they put out in september and go from there.
i agree with this..... i still cant figure out how LTTG got realeased. its a horrible sounding album production wise with exception to the bonus tracks and pacs words are changed. thats shitting on his legacy. its obvious eminem shitted on his legacy because me makes hot beats for every other rapper but pac, who he "looks up to". anyone else think the same thing as me?
 
#9
Marshall's beats suck for himself, for Pac and for everyone else he has done beats for.

I could have handled the horrible production, because it suffered on other posthumous albums. I couldn't handle Pac's words being cut, pasted, redone and/or entirely left off.
 
#10
************* said:
its obvious eminem shitted on his legacy because me makes hot beats for every other rapper but pac, who he "looks up to". anyone else think the same thing as me?

I disagree somewhat. I see it from 2 perspectives though. One, if i recall correctly, he did the beats for free (correct me if i'm wrong). If that's that case, then doing something for free isn't going to drive someone to do their best. Sure it's Tupac, which i'm sure he has a lot of respect for, but still.

Second, I assume he didn't get to hear the OG's and was handed the acapella's and was told "make a beat." Well, i think this would be hard to decipher the feeling of the song from his voice (ok, this doesn't apply to Thug 4 Life).
 
#11
JDeez said:
I disagree somewhat. I see it from 2 perspectives though. One, if i recall correctly, he did the beats for free (correct me if i'm wrong). If that's that case, then doing something for free isn't going to drive someone to do their best. Sure it's Tupac, which i'm sure he has a lot of respect for, but still.

Second, I assume he didn't get to hear the OG's and was handed the acapella's and was told "make a beat." Well, i think this would be hard to decipher the feeling of the song from his voice (ok, this doesn't apply to Thug 4 Life).
he still didnt have to chop shit up.... he knew what speed pacs vocals were at when he got them. he chose to change that. and he shouldnt have offered to do it for free if he was gunna do a shitty job. i still wounder why noone has talked about LTTG on tv or talked shit about eminem fucking it up.
 
#12
The thing that pissed me off the most was when i read that he spent 3 days on the whole project. I mean seriously 3 fucking days! I don't care if that's 72 hrs straight it still isn't enough for the album of a legend.
 
#13
************* said:
he still didnt have to chop shit up.... he knew what speed pacs vocals were at when he got them. he chose to change that. and he shouldnt have offered to do it for free if he was gunna do a shitty job. i still wounder why noone has talked about LTTG on tv or talked shit about eminem fucking it up.
Game menchined something about it , but during that time he had more problems going on 4 him (during the g unit fall out).
 
#14
hmmm 1 thread about not having any more pac releases , 1 thread about having 100 people put 5 $ and buying rares , and 1 thread about Amuru PLEASE PLEASE put out a 2pac box set....


Danm u guys r fuckin picky..lol

Im happy with more 2pac releases as long as they are done right..

Think if we didnt have songs like Fame, Kluminatie , As the world turns , good dies young, Wonder if heaven got a ghetton, hellrazor, last 1 left , ballad of a dead soulja ,when i get free, still ballin , thugs mansion, mamas just a little girl , ghetto star ,Better days , there u go , unconditional luv...... danmm the list is too long..

If Amuru went cardellas way we would lose out on some of pacs best works.... I say keep coming out with albums as long as they can.. LTTG was a doomed project but at least we have all the accapellas.

theres no artist ever like pac we should feel blessed that ur fav rapper whos been dead for 10 yrs still comes out with new music and movies.
 
#15
************* said:
he still didnt have to chop shit up.... he knew what speed pacs vocals were at when he got them. he chose to change that. and he shouldnt have offered to do it for free if he was gunna do a shitty job. i still wounder why noone has talked about LTTG on tv or talked shit about eminem fucking it up.
exactly. my guess is he didn't even make any of those beats particularly for the album. that would explain why he matched pac's words to the beats instead of matching the beats to his words like a good producer would've done. like you said, he shouldn't have written to afeni begging to do it if he was gonna do a shitty 3 day job on it.
 
#16
I don't believe that 2pac's best work has been released yet.I think that Amaru keep the best for the end like Pac used to do it.And people who bought All Eyez On Me,10 years ago are the same people who bought 50's Get Rich Or Die Trying.
 

Whizz

Active Member
#17
originally posted by Think_ThuGLiFE
hmmm 1 thread about not having any more pac releases , 1 thread about having 100 people put 5 $ and buying rares , and 1 thread about Amuru PLEASE PLEASE put out a 2pac box set....
lol... yeah riiiite
 
#18
Think_ThuGLiFE said:
Danm u guys r fuckin picky..lol

Im happy with more 2pac releases as long as they are done right..

Think if we didnt have songs like Fame, Kluminatie , As the world turns , good dies young, Wonder if heaven got a ghetton, hellrazor, last 1 left , ballad of a dead soulja ,when i get free, still ballin , thugs mansion, mamas just a little girl , ghetto star ,Better days , there u go , unconditional luv...... danmm the list is too long..

If Amuru went cardellas way we would lose out on some of pacs best works.... I say keep coming out with albums as long as they can.. LTTG was a doomed project but at least we have all the accapellas.

theres no artist ever like pac we should feel blessed that ur fav rapper whos been dead for 10 yrs still comes out with new music and movies.
Yeah you're right, though I prefer the Wonder if heaven's got a ghetto from the Keep ya head up single over the RUSD ones. ;)

I read a lot about "don't expect too much of the the new pac album" but I ain't feelin that. I think they've learned their lesson and the next album will be better, not another mixtape. I was happy with Better Dayz (and everything before) and still looking foward to new pac-shit. I'm glad they still releasing shit and didn't stop. Pac scrapped songs like Changes and IWIHGAG. I'm glad they released it.
Every good song they release i appreciate, better 9 bad songs released and one good track than nothin released.

And about the legacy: yeah people make jokes, most of the time they don't understand the tracks they release are unreleased. I don't feel that whole ''joke-part". It might be selfish but I wanna hear those songs, no matter what other people saying bout Pac after the 100th posthumus album.
 
#19
im sure amaru will gain my respect back when they release this years project. i expect something good, and i have a feeling they are putting a lot of time into whatever it is they are occupying themselves with.
lets hope im right
 

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