7 About You

[Bobby Sands]

how does that lack intelligence? i'll have you know my suicide jokes are rather witty.

and its not ignorance thats just my opinions and beliefs.

yes it is ignorance of the highest order, extremely insensitive and sick.

not nice for those who have known people who have committed suicide to have to read that kind of shit. i have read the same bullshit from so many other people on this board as well. sick of it tbh.

You have no idea what is going on in another person's head. For a person to even seriously contemplate taking their life, then things must be pretty bad for them.

 

[Tha_Wood]

i find it selfish and weak.

just my opinion though.

 

[Chronic]

What's your opinion based on though? A proper understanding of human psychology or experience with severe depression (for example)? There's a reason why a lot of depressed people kill themselves and it's not because they think it's the easy way out. Their minds are so polluted they no longer have the luxury to think straight and their brains make them think suicide is actually a good solution.

You're entitled to your opinion but unless it's based on the necessary knowledge it's worth ass and it's just plain ignorance, like Bobby said.

 

[Bobby Sands]

look,

if a person commits suicide they dont just say "oh im a bit down today i think ill go hang myself". as i said before, the person must be in a desperate state of mind to even seriously contemplate it.

if you have a nice life and everything goes well for you then who are you to judge someone who has committed suicide and had to put up with some amount of shit in their life and just couldnt take anymore.

Unless, god forbid, you are in that situation yourself you will never understand it.

 

[Flipmo]

1. I have never been in a serious relationship. I get bored really easily and like "complicated" women.

2. The amount of times I have drove after a couple of beers on my probationary license and not got caught amazes me. No registration or P plates either.
Now I have my full license and its legal for me to have a couple of beers and drive.

3. One time I went through a red light camera driving, did a U-turn, got out my hammer and smashed the camera. i never received the ticket.

4. My mother and I lost everything we own in a fire a couple of years ago. No insurance. We were moving at the time and put everything we own in storage, the shed burnt down. We had to start from scratch

5. I am self conscious, I care about my appearance and what others think about me.

6. I make friends with random people all the time when I'm intoxicated. They will come up and talk to me a week or two later and I have no idea who they are

7. I seen my first set of set of Stickam boobies the other week. They were nice

1. I went through that stage also, now after years of going mental cause of them ... I like the simple gals.

2. lmao, I went through the same. A whole year with my probationary license and I never got caught. That was a while ago, but yeah, still pretty funny. It's the same with parking tickets, it's like I'm immune to them. I leave my car for 6 hours in a spot without paying parking and I come back and have no tickets.

3. lmfao.


4.

 

[Flipmo]

As for suicide, there is an act of selfishness involved. What about those around you affected by your death? What the about the person's parents who lost their only son or daughter? Or someone that lost their best friend? I understand that to contemplate suicide means you must be in a horrible mind-state where just getting out of bed feels like being nailed to a wall, but lets be honest suicide hurts everyone. I have a friend who's still tormented by it years after her cousin did it. So to say there is nothing selfish about it is not looking at the whole picture and consequences of it.

Still I wouldn't say they're weak though - we all have our emotional tolerances. Some of us can take more punishment than others, also think about it; for a man or woman to put that gun to their head, count down from 3 knowing that they're going to die and pull the trigger takes a lot more courage than one may believe. I can't imagine being in a mind state where you feel like just disappearing, must be horrible.

If I look at my grandfather for instance, his father was lynched in front of him after the Italian occupation of Southern Croatia, his mother died from pneumonia a few years later and he spent most of his youth in extreme poverty eating grass, living in fields, etc and was blacklisted by the then Yugoslav government. You obviously wouldn't have a normal mind state after all that, so imagine the pain and darkness people who committed suicide went through... It's very sad.

 

[Tha_Wood]

of course there are some cases of suicide that are not funny, and i guess i should have clarified this because it will look like i am backing down. im not sure what it is like in your country's but over here we have a bit of a teen suicide problem, i have known kids who have done it, my mother works at a school where about 6 kids did it last year, its become very common. and these arent kids who have had to deal with much in there life, certainly not enough to kill your self. i know a lot of people who have dealt with a lot more fucked up shit then these people and are happy people.

and yes i may be an ass for holding this view but i dont really care. i have been bullied a lot of my life, i have had close relatives die, other stupid teenage shit that has made me a little unhappy. i am in ten thousand dollar's of debt, my credit rating is fucked. im still happy though.

 

[S O F I]

As for suicide, there is an act of selfishness involved. What about those around you affected by your death? What the about the person's parents who lost their only son or daughter? Or someone that lost their best friend?

But why should it be my responsibility to be alive to those who'd be "affected by my death"? If they need me alive, are they not selfish, too? "I need you to be here, don't leave". That's selfish. Point is, selfishness exists in relationships from both sides. To love others and expect them to be there is selfish. I'd be pretty pissed off if I committed suicide (hihi), and someone called me selfish. Like, fuck you, you're the selfish one for thinking I should put up with this pain just so you can see me alive and use me.

While I understand the concept of selfishness in "leaving" those who are accustomed to your presence, I don't agree with considering selfishness in the context of suicide.

 

[Flipmo]

Sure you can look at it that way, but I don't.

The way I see it is that selfishness is a negative act that brings about negative consequences. It's not selfish for parents to 'want you here' ... parents love you and are here to help you through hard times. That is not selfish, it's giving a shit. When you're suicidal, you're not in the right mind state, and don't see the grand scale of things; you're lost in your own pain, sorrow, stuck in tunnel vision and expect the worst from everyone - which is probably not the reality of things. There is treatment to depression. Friend and family aren't asking you to stick around so you rot in your pain, and use you, they want you to stick around so they can help you.

I don't know if you've ever had a friend or family member go through extreme depression, but it's the most horrible feeling to want to help, but can't.

So, from the suicidal person's point of view I believe you're right, but from the grand scale of things, I just don't agree.

 

[keco52]

How can you be pro-abortion but think suicide is a selfish act? Bc I remember in the D4L thread not many ppl were against abortion. Seems conflicting to me. You can't handle a baby=you kill it. You can't handle life=you kill yourself....right?

 

[Flipmo]

I said there is some selfishness involved with it, but I don't hold them against it knowing they are not in a right mind state. As I explained in my past posts which I agreed with Sofi to an extent. I'm looking at this from all sides - and it can't be denied that there is some when you look at it in general and not from the person's point of view.

I also don't see the connection between abortion and suicide. Extreme depression can be treated with the right support group and help and maybe can save a life by preventing suicide. A woman being raped and forced to give birth to a child that she did not want is just messed up to me.

As for me being pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice true, but I don't agree with it being used as a form of birth-control. Women who get knocked up over and over again and keep getting abortions without a care is an abuse of the procedure which is already painful enough, not to mention insulting to women who have been raped, or have gotten it due to medical reasons, etc.

Edit: By the way, I'm not trying to insult anyone here who may have lost a loved one due to suicide. As I've said, it takes balls of steel to say: "Well, fuck this, I'm offing myself". It must be the toughest thing to do in the world. I just like looking at all issues from all angles instead of making a black/white decision. So if I have offended anyone, I appologize, this is all for the sake of discussion.

 

[keco52]

^I was talking to wood mostly but thanks for the response. I don't disagree with you. I'm pro-choice as well. Depression can be treated for some but not cured.

It just seems like someone who goes through abortion is getting more sympathy and understanding than someone who is going through such unbearable pain that they turn to suicide. I wasn't being condescending.

 

[Flipmo]

Oh - I thought you meant me mostly.

It's true that depression cannot always be cured, I feel for them especially if they tried hard to recover, and if that is their final solution I cannot hold it against them. I do agree that someone who goes through an abortion is getting more sympathy nowadays than someone going through tremendous emotional pain that they feel the only way out is to off themselves. I think it's mostly because people assume that people going through depression are weak, lazy, apethetic, etc, so they don't get as much closure and attention.

The province of Quebec where i live used to have the 2nd highest rate in suicides in the world (not sure where it stands now), so the provincial government enabled all kinds of social programs to fight it, such as calling centers, places you can just sit and talk to people who have been through the same problem as you, etc.

It was more of an issue than abortion, actually, abortion is an almost non-existant issue here for the most part. So, I can't relate to living in the USA, but from what I've seen and heard from friends, and what I'm sure most of the world has seen - it's the 'hottest' topic and social issue going on there with gay marriage.

By the way, Elmira, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread.

 

[Shadows]

^Most of the active people already said what they needed/wanted, than it went to a discussion about someone's thing about them, I don't believe it jacking at all.

Stred: Sorry about the whole fire thing. Although you guys probably went through a lot, you don't seem like you ever considered anything like suicide, which is what I believe Tha Wood is trying to say.

I can agree with both sides, but only to an extent.

I will have some remorse, but if the kid took the easy way out, I don't think I'd care as much. Easy way out or not though, I would not laugh at it, because I know there is much more than one person effected.

As for depression, my sister is depressed. She relapsed yesterday after 5 months of being sober.
Let me tell you something, my whole life I've been dealing with her addiction of Meth for the last 12 years, (she's 26). Anyway, to keep her addiction, she has to sell other drugs because she lost her medical asst. degree or something....

I wouldn't be surprised if they let her out in 5 days or w/e and she tries something; but at the same time I know deep down in my heart she wouldn't because she has people that know that love her and her kids.

This is why I would care. Not because it's my sister but for someone to be in situations and know people still love and would help for anything but STILL off themselves.

Question to you guys (I won't take it personal):

If someone like that suicided themselves, would you care less, knowing that (s)he stopped selling drugs??

Because I remember I got angry when something happened with my sister and I said a comment like that that pissed my mom off.

 

[S O F I]

When you're suicidal, you're not in the right mind state, and don't see the grand scale of things; you're lost in your own pain, sorrow, stuck in tunnel vision and expect the worst from everyone - which is probably not the reality of things.

I disagree on a fundamental basis. Color me existentialist, but life itself is pretty absurd. I don't think seeing the grand scale of things is recognizing that it's better to live life than be dead. Actually, if you look at the grand scale of things and how life is lived globally and how people are treated, I'm surprised more people don't off themselves. To me, life and death are the same. It's just that you know life before you know death. You "experience" both in the end. I don't see the need to say one is the right state and one is the wrong state.

There is treatment to depression. Friend and family aren't asking you to stick around so you rot in your pain, and use you, they want you to stick around so they can help you.

There is treatment but no cure and effects vary quite a bit. I believe someone said in the thread that there's a cure for depression, which I don't believe there is.

 

[Flipmo]

^Most of the active people already said what they needed/wanted, than it went to a discussion about someone's thing about them, I don't believe it jacking at all.

Stred: Sorry about the whole fire thing. Although you guys probably went through a lot, you don't seem like you ever considered anything like suicide, which is what I believe Tha Wood is trying to say.

I can agree with both sides, but only to an extent.

I will have some remorse, but if the kid took the easy way out, I don't think I'd care as much. Easy way out or not though, I would not laugh at it, because I know there is much more than one person effected.

As for depression, my sister is depressed. She relapsed yesterday after 5 months of being sober.
Let me tell you something, my whole life I've been dealing with her addiction of Meth for the last 12 years, (she's 26). Anyway, to keep her addiction, she has to sell other drugs because she lost her medical asst. degree or something....

I wouldn't be surprised if they let her out in 5 days or w/e and she tries something; but at the same time I know deep down in my heart she wouldn't because she has people that know that love her and her kids.

This is why I would care. Not because it's my sister but for someone to be in situations and know people still love and would help for anything but STILL off themselves.

Question to you guys (I won't take it personal):

If someone like that suicided themselves, would you care less, knowing that (s)he stopped selling drugs??

Because I remember I got angry when something happened with my sister and I said a comment like that that pissed my mom off.

Sorry to hear about your sister. If it helps, I can sympathize with you as my broke is a coke (and more) addict, been in and out of rehab, oddly enough, he's only 2 years older than your sister. So I can completely understand where you're coming from.

I've said fucked up since about my brother too, but it's just in the heat of the moment. It happens to us all, even the quietest of people. Everyone is human after all.

I disagree on a fundamental basis. Color me existentialist, but life itself is pretty absurd. I don't think seeing the grand scale of things is recognizing that it's better to live life than be dead. Actually, if you look at the grand scale of things and how life is lived globally and how people are treated, I'm surprised more people don't off themselves. To me, life and death are the same. It's just that you know life before you know death. You "experience" both in the end. I don't see the need to say one is the right state and one is the wrong state.

I'd call you a pessimist if anything (or a realist in your eyes?)

I agree with you though that life is absurd and unpredictable, but I am generally an optimist to I look beyond that for the most part. I do believe as you, that the way people live and the way they're treated is far from ideal, but things I believe are slowly getting better. I think there is as much good as bad, we're just sadly always bombarded with images of pain, sorrow and displeasure cause it's human nature to be curious about these things, maybe because it stands out more than someone helping an old lady cross the street?

To be honest, it may sound crazy, but I think people were tougher before, mentally and emotionally. People used to go through hell, would walk miles just to get to school or work and never complained, they were happy with the little they had and they shut the fuck up. Now people I feel have it easier, yet complain more. That's a discussion for another day though...

Would you say a 16 year old that offs himself experienced life to the fullest? Or even a 20 year old nowadays? Many of these youngsters still live under their parents house, rules and observation. Life experience is on a daily basis, until you die. Shit, this may sound cliche from a movie, but dying is probably the greatest 'adventure' someone can go through (if you believe in an afterlife or not) the process of it, and looking back on your life is something on it's own... So I personally wouldn't say they're similar, one is making your mark in the world, the other is leaving your mark behind.

As for depression, there are cases of it being cured (I think it was Keco that brought it up), but I agree that for the most part, I think it's just treatable and many will find themselves falling into depression for a week, sometimes a month, but their quality of life is much greater than what they were going through.

Anyways... you're a smart man Sofi, too bad you're a homo that wears leotards. 2

 

[Duke]

As for depression, there are cases of it being cured (I think it was Keco that brought it up), but I agree that for the most part, I think it's just treatable and many will find themselves falling into depression for a week, sometimes a month, but their standard of living is much greater than what they were going through.

Anyways... you're a smart man Sofi, too bad you're a homo that wears leotards. 2

As for depression, it's a psychological thing and as such it has nothing to do with standard of living.

Sofi is a fag, though. Agreed on that.

 

[Flipmo]

I meant that depression affects one's quality of life, as all psychological illnesses do. So if the treatment is working, they're living obviously more fulfilling lives than when they were going months on end in sorrow in pain. That's the point I was trying to make.

Mistake in terms

 

[Jokerman]

Look at cows. Look how bad they have it. Do they kill themselves, no. We can learn a lot from them.

 

[Elmira]

No worries about the hijacked thread thing. These things happen. I've learned that half of this board is comprised of individuals who make ignorant statements without hesitation, and the other half of whom love to force their opinion down someone's throat. All in all the discussion ends up washed-up, a smattering of the same regurgitated bullshit that's been discussed on this board for years. It seems to me that aside from the 'God' and meat-eating debate, suicide and abortion are really the happening topics these days.

I hate eating. I get sick of thinking about what to eat and when to eat and how much money I need to eat. I usually eat once a day. I probably have 2 servings of vegetables a week and 1 serving of fruit every couple months.

Is this a common trend? And Jokey said before that he wonders if he really feels the need to eat. When did eating, nourishing the body, become a chore around the house: like washing dishes, or taking out the thrash? Something you just want to get out of the way. That's wild to me, maybe I have a bias because I love food, but don't you get any satisfaction out of your kitchen? Coming home, cooking a meal for yourself, and sitting down at the table to enjoy your dinner? Now is it to do with a particular financial situation, or just the very thought of it, or everything together...?