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[yak pac fatal]

yeah I'm he will definitely ruin the development of the younger players. The problem right now with the Cavaliers is that he takes the ball and hangs onto it because he thinks he has to do everything. That's why I bringing in Kyrie and Kevin Love didn't seem to do a whole lot and their careers kind of stagnated either through injuries or just not getting the ball enough.

totally agree. it's the same problem okc has with westbrook. he wants to do everything. all the offense has to run through him (hence this generations inflated stats). either you spot up, slash or watch westbrook/lebron(or any other ball dominant player) dribble and dribble til they decide what to do. none of the cavs player really have the confidence to create plays for themselves or others. certain players like korver pair up great with lebron and others just slowly rot because their role has diminished.

 

[dilla]

I think this embarrassing, impending loss will be what takes LBJ out of Cleveland.

But I think a better catalyst would have been a more competitive Eastern Conference. I thought we'd have that this year with Kyrie and Hayward in Boston, but injuries ended that. I thought there was some hope with Toronto having a surprisingly good year, #1 seed, but that turned out to be smoke and mirrors. I thought the Heat still being kind of relevant and making a push for the playoffs was also a positive sign, too. But at the end of the day, Cleveland is representing the East for the fourth year straight, as is GS. GS has a reason; it's a super team. What does the East have? LBJ? One guy can deflate an entire conference on his own? Garbage.

I think the path towards Super Teams is paved with a weak East. Get someone to keep LBJ out of the Finals for a year or two, and we'll see a shift in dynamic back to the East. Keep putting LBJ in the Finals and you'll see playoff teams make adjustments just to face GS or LBJ in the playoffs, and that's it. The other teams will play with their dicks and hope to land a once-in-a-generation player in the lottery and play each game just to cover up their tanking to avoid getting fined by the league.

Also, my Bulls have been straight up taint the past 3+ years. Which is funny that my interest in the NBA has grown more since the Bulls have sucked and dealt with the whole DRose fiasco.

 

[yak pac fatal]

I think this embarrassing, impending loss will be what takes LBJ out of Cleveland.

But I think a better catalyst would have been a more competitive Eastern Conference. I thought we'd have that this year with Kyrie and Hayward in Boston, but injuries ended that. I thought there was some hope with Toronto having a surprisingly good year, #1 seed, but that turned out to be smoke and mirrors. I thought the Heat still being kind of relevant and making a push for the playoffs was also a positive sign, too. But at the end of the day, Cleveland is representing the East for the fourth year straight, as is GS. GS has a reason; it's a super team. What does the East have? LBJ? One guy can deflate an entire conference on his own? Garbage.

I think the path towards Super Teams is paved with a weak East. Get someone to keep LBJ out of the Finals for a year or two, and we'll see a shift in dynamic back to the East. Keep putting LBJ in the Finals and you'll see playoff teams make adjustments just to face GS or LBJ in the playoffs, and that's it. The other teams will play with their dicks and hope to land a once-in-a-generation player in the lottery and play each game just to cover up their tanking to avoid getting fined by the league.

Also, my Bulls have been straight up taint the past 3+ years. Which is funny that my interest in the NBA has grown more since the Bulls have sucked and dealt with the whole DRose fiasco.

before this season started i believed lebron is leaving regardless if he wins or not. the last 2 times he's shown lack of commitment to the team he left.

they need to get rid of eastern and western conferences. 16 best teams make it to the playoffs. the east has been comedy the last 8 years or so. lebron doesn't face real comp til the finals. raptors are terrified of lebron, the sixers are still puppies and boston unfortunately had to deal with injuries.

i'm a spurs fan. my interest has severely dropped since durant signed with the warriors.

your bulls have decent young talent. lavine will be a 20pt scorer, lauri already is a great 3pt shooter (he's got hit the weight room though) and dunn looked pretty good out there.

 

[dilla]

before this season started i believed lebron is leaving regardless if he wins or not. the last 2 times he's shown lack of commitment to the team he left.

they need to get rid of eastern and western conferences. 16 best teams make it to the playoffs. the east has been comedy the last 8 years or so. lebron doesn't face real comp til the finals. raptors are terrified of lebron, the sixers are still puppies and boston unfortunately had to deal with injuries.

i'm a spurs fan. my interest has severely dropped since durant signed with the warriors.

your bulls have decent young talent. lavine will be a 20pt scorer, lauri already is a great 3pt shooter (he's got hit the weight room though) and dunn looked pretty good out there.

True, but basketball is one of the easiest sports to develop talent and has the highest turnaround. One draft can lead to results in the next season or two. We seem to be getting worse with each draft. The Mirotic hype in like 2013 was so huge and the dude just kind of fizzled out. Lauri has been good but the Lavine acquisition, the verdict is still out on that. I guess we had to get rid of big players like Butler and Taj. lol they even took classic Bulls trash like Jamal Crawford and Aaron Brooks. Poor MIN for that.

I just don't see GarPax turning it around anytime soon. People have wanted them out for a long time now. We can never decide if we're tanking or making a playoff push. And then you get what we saw in last year's playoffs against Boston. WTF was that?

Bulls fans are the biggest Stans, though. They'll defend DRose and him sitting out and shitty play til the day he dies. I remember they sucked Snell's dick when he got here and now it's all about Lauri and Portis. I'm no expert but I don't know which player currently on our roster is a player we can build around. Either with development or durability/injury-wise, no one seems to be here for the long haul. Or is playing like it.

 

[yak pac fatal]

True, but basketball is one of the easiest sports to develop talent and has the highest turnaround. One draft can lead to results in the next season or two. We seem to be getting worse with each draft. The Mirotic hype in like 2013 was so huge and the dude just kind of fizzled out. Lauri has been good but the Lavine acquisition, the verdict is still out on that. I guess we had to get rid of big players like Butler and Taj. lol they even took classic Bulls trash like Jamal Crawford and Aaron Brooks. Poor MIN for that.

I just don't see GarPax turning it around anytime soon. People have wanted them out for a long time now. We can never decide if we're tanking or making a playoff push. And then you get what we saw in last year's playoffs against Boston. WTF was that?

Bulls fans are the biggest Stans, though. They'll defend DRose and him sitting out and shitty play til the day he dies. I remember they sucked Snell's dick when he got here and now it's all about Lauri and Portis. I'm no expert but I don't know which player currently on our roster is a player we can build around. Either with development or durability/injury-wise, no one seems to be here for the long haul. Or is playing like it.

minnesota timberwolves basically became minnesota bulls. heard thibs was even interested in noah too.

drose kind of did it to himself. after the injury he didn't change his reckless style of play and thibbs didnt help the situation because he refuses to monitor the minutes rose or any other player. milked the life out of rose, deng, and noah. i'm also not a big fan of hoiberg.

i'm sure the plan is to build around lavine, at least for now but he definitely doesn't look like the first option on offense type of player. bulls fans were really that high on snell? lol. you probably can blame jimmy butler for that because he was a late first round pick who turned into a superstar.

 

[dilla]

minnesota timberwolves basically became minnesota bulls. heard thibs was even interested in noah too.

drose kind of did it to himself. after the injury he didn't change his reckless style of play and thibbs didnt help the situation because he refuses to monitor the minutes rose or any other player. milked the life out of rose, deng, and noah. i'm also not a big fan of hoiberg.

i'm sure the plan is to build around lavine, at least for now but he definitely doesn't look like the first option on offense type of player. bulls fans were really that high on snell? lol. you probably can blame jimmy butler for that because he was a late first round pick who turned into a superstar.

They weren't that high on Snell as much as they just had a circle jerk and made memes about it. Not necessarily disparaging memes, either. Just post-draft talks the past few years, some Bulls Stans try to make every pick seem like the next DRose. I know all fans do this to some extent but it's annoying when it's your own team's fans. And none of them pan out and are traded away for peanuts.

I heard Thibs might be on his way out after the Finals. Yeah, the biggest knocks against him was running young players in to the ground with excessive minutes played. He was still a defensive-minded coach, though, and once he left the Bulls sucked on defense just as much as they did on offense.

I think Hoiberg had a lot of critics early on because of his resume, or lack of, but I think more and more fans are warming up to him.

 

[yak pac fatal]

so called "goat" quit on his team... "bu bu but i played with a broken hand"

LeExcuses

better not sign with the spurs

 

[Rukas]

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I think Curry wants out. Don’t think he ever wanted to play with Durant.

 

[yak pac fatal]

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I think Curry wants out. Don’t think he ever wanted to play with Durant.

curry kd beef or klay $$$ or lebron made the call

i swear to god if this guy joins the warriors i'm done with the nba

 

[Rukas]

No way they can afford him without gutting the team. And plus I don’t think he’d do it.

 

[ARon]

Steve Kerr's is probably going to quit citing his back problems. This probably came up half way during the season and I'm guessing that's what all this talk is about

 

[dilla]

Whichever team knocks off GS in the Finals is going to be America’s nba team. That’s if GS doesn’t break up before then.

So many people mad and upset with the sport. Th8s is the fourth straight Finals with the same two teams. I can’t believe the narrative is about LeBron carrying his team to the Finals and not people being upset that for four years it’s been the same teams and some rather uneventful basketball being played.

I’m a big CFB fan and this feels a lot like what happened when the SEC, specially Bama, kept winning the NC for like six year straight. Which inevitably brought out a playoff system.

I wonder if anything will be done about the NBA’s parity problem that sees a change as revolutionary as the CFB Playoff system.

 

[Rukas]

I think they will get rid of the conferences and just have top 8 teams in playoffs.

 

[ARon]

I want them to get rid of east and west but no way will they drop 8 teams from the playoffs. So much tv money they'd be throwing away. I can see them doing 1-16 and maybe dropping the first round or two to 5 games again so we don't get a most likely 4 game sweep of 1 vs 16 all the time

 

[dilla]

Bulls signed Jabari. I remember him and Bennett being back to back highly touted prospects out of college but it seems both kind of fizzled out. Injuries, at least for Jabari.

Looks like we got another Chicago kid to hype up. Funny enough, he's had the ACL tears that DRose had. Twice. The signing doesn't makes sense to me, other than the fact our starting 5 are going to be young as hell.

 

[Ristol]

Knicks are getting Jimmy and Kyrie. Book it. It's gonna be exactly like when we got LeBron in 2010

 

[yak pac fatal]

Bulls signed Jabari. I remember him and Bennett being back to back highly touted prospects out of college but it seems both kind of fizzled out. Injuries, at least for Jabari.

Looks like we got another Chicago kid to hype up. Funny enough, he's had the ACL tears that DRose had. Twice. The signing doesn't makes sense to me, other than the fact our starting 5 are going to be young as hell.

when he's healthy he can ball. even though he's getting paid a lot of money it's a low risk pick up imo because i think the 2nd year of his contract is team option. yall got some good young talent.

oo and thibs isn't there to run the young talent into ground.

 

[dilla]

when he's healthy he can ball. even though he's getting paid a lot of money it's a low risk pick up imo because i think the 2nd year of his contract is team option. yall got some good young talent.

oo and thibs isn't there to run the young talent into ground.

lol I hate the hate that Thibs got but it's hard to argue against it. But that is a plus, that our youth won't have 90 year old knees at the age of 23.

 

[yak pac fatal]

lol I hate the hate that Thibs got but it's hard to argue against it. But that is a plus, that our youth won't have 90 year old knees at the age of 23.

he sucks at managing the minutes of his players. i remember when lavine got hurt when he was the wolves and people were like "thibs just added another player to his body count". he's a good defensive coach but oddly enough the wolves suck on defense. neither towns or wiggins gives much effort on that end of the floor. it's a shame because during his rookie year, wiggins was looking like he was gonna be a solid defensive player. i think that's why jimmy butler wants out.

what do you think hoiberg?

 

[dilla]

he sucks at managing the minutes of his players. i remember when lavine got hurt when he was the wolves and people were like "thibs just added another player to his body count". he's a good defensive coach but oddly enough the wolves suck on defense. neither towns or wiggins gives much effort on that end of the floor. it's a shame because during his rookie year, wiggins was looking like he was gonna be a solid defensive player. i think that's why jimmy butler wants out.

what do you think hoiberg?

I think we've had a discussion on Hoiberg in the Lebron thread or the Finals thread. He was an unpopular hire when it happened but I think Bulls fans respect him for sticking through the Bulls slow descent in to suckage and now are open to letting him help coach this rebuilding/rebuilt team.

I listen to a lot of local sports radio and Chicago media, in general, can be very unforgiving to underachieving players and coaches and even GMs and above positions. Hoiberg gets some criticism but I feel like it could be a lot worse. The Bears have been sucking for about as long as the Bulls have, probably longer, but every coach since Lovie left got piled on. Trestman and Fox got shat on at every corner after every game. Rightful so. But I haven't heard much criticism of Hoiberg the past two seasons. I've seen tons more criticism of GarPax in the past three seasons and even that seemed to have died down this past season. I guess Bulls fans have accepted we sucked the past few years and we sort of suck now but there's potential. I still haven't read much about Jabari's acquisition as yet and the reactions to it but we'll see. I don't like him being branded as the Chicago kid after Rose was branded that when he was drafted. Its not like the title/moniker belongs to any one player but I feel it won't be long before fans start to expect some type of Rose-esque player in Jabari. And the longer he stays in Chicago, the more the fans are going to want him to stick around and we might have a LeBron situation on our hands if he decides to leave. If we suck or don't improve much, it'll be a clean break. If we have some success but Jabari plays well and earns a better contract elsewhere, fans will dump him like Cleveland did LBJ the first time. I think Parker should just be treated like any other player acquisition, especially since he's coming off an injury-shortened season.


Back to Hoiberg, NBA coaching is funny. There are fewer coaches in the NBA compared to the NFL but the barrier between the NFL and CFB is very porous. It's not like that for the NBA. You really have to fight tooth and claw to break the NBA barrier to be considered for a coaching job for an NBA team. So if fans do get tired of Hoiberg, who replaces him? I don't watch enough college hoops to know who the rising coaches are. Who the next Saban or Harbaugh or possible Urban Meyer is. It feels like the NBA just recycles coaches. Thibs goes from the Bulls to the TWolves. Forgot where he was before the Bulls. I heard Tim Floyd was still coaching? lol Tim Floyd. I guess he's doing college hoops but...man..you gotta think real hard before firing your current coach because it feels like the pickings are slim for NBA coaches. It's usually someone that got fired after a team tanked 5 years straight and ate ass anyway.