Forum not working on Sidekicks/other mobile devices?

[Eric]

In no way is a Sidekick a business tool (are we arguing this point, really?).
I use Microsoft Office via work e-mail daily--specifically Excel. This is something that has been around on mobile devices for awhile. They are on Windows Mobile devices (which I've owned but hated). But Sidekicks do not have Microsoft Office or Exchange. Sorry. Game over on that.

And if you don't even use it for business...like Rukas and Casey Rain...the iPhone has apps now that use beatmakers. There is an app on there that is basically an MPC touchscreen. Watch vids on youtube. Timbaland made a hot beat using it.

Fuck the Sidekick. I've had one. It's hardware is a great design but the software is years outdated.

 

[Casey]

In no way is a Sidekick a business tool (are we arguing this point, really?).
I use Microsoft Office via work e-mail daily--specifically Excel. This is something that has been around on mobile devices for awhile. They are on Windows Mobile devices (which I've owned but hated). But Sidekicks do not have Microsoft Office or Exchange. Sorry. Game over on that.

It depends on what your business is homie. I run all my business just great on the Sidekick, and without trying to brag, I most likely make more than anyone else on this forum. Of course I realize that not everyone can be a professional musician, but obviously myself and Rukas are so it suits us just fine, as well as most people in the creative/entertainment industry. I know big time graphic designers that do most of the bigger hip-hop album covers you see today that use Sidekicks, as well as movie directors, actors, screenwriters, record label A&R's....etc etc etc.

I have no need to use Excel, but if I did, there's a spreadsheet app for the Sidekick called Sidesheet.

And if you don't even use it for business...like Rukas and Casey Rain...the iPhone has apps now that use beatmakers. There is an app on there that is basically an MPC touchscreen. Watch vids on youtube. Timbaland made a hot beat using it.

Fuck the Sidekick. I've had one. It's hardware is a great design but the software is years outdated.

There's at least 7 or 8 beat-making apps on the Sidekick too, made by Larva Labs. In fact, they even have full MIDI support so I can make beats on the go and transfer them to my computer later and work on them properly. I've found them to be pretty useful so far.

I'd be afraid of a touchscreen beatmaker to be honest. I like to really pound the shit outta the MPC when I'm making beats!

The software has actually already improved leaps and bounds since you last owned one. Check out the new Sidekick 2008. No doubt this is partially due to Microsoft buying Danger and providing unlimited funds, but the software has come along leaps and bounds in the last two years. The latest OS has some even more amazing possibilities within the API, when developers begin to utilize some of these over the next few months, there is going to be some seriously ill software coming out for sure.

There still is not any other phone with IM clients to match the Sidekick service. The AIM on the iPhone is laughably bad. And I don't believe that anyone who is serious about using a phone as a communications device would use a touchscreen. I know plenty of business users that would use a touchscreen that also has a full QWERTY keyboard, like the HTC Tilt, but not a touchscreen on it's own. It's just grease-city after a while.

Oh yeah, and Apple charging a yearly subscription for MobileMe? When the Sidekick has been syncing data to a back-end server for years at no cost? That's pretty pathetic.

I think the iPhone has it's place for those who favor styles and trends over usability. And it certainly does have some cool apps too. But when I can type out an email with correct grammar and punctuation in a matter of seconds without navigating ridiculous alternative keyboards and without turning my phone into grease city despite being perfectly clean and non-sweaty..............I'm sticking with the Sidekick.

I'll close with some further reading on the subject.

 

[Prize Gotti]

The thing Apple is best at? Making it exciting to own one of their products. If Eric thinks it's a great business tool - so will millions and millions of others. Just wait until we see an iPhone on steroids - hehehe.

Eric thinks VirtuaGirl is a great business tool.

 

[S. Fourteen]

Okay, KC

You went from "iPhone is a toy - truth!" to Sidekick has equivalent software. hmmm

I don't believe that anyone who is serious about using a phone as a communications device would use a touchscreen

Ha! Tell that to the million people who bought the iPhone 3G in the first 3 days. Tell that to the manufactures who are creating their own version of touchscreen devices - the so-called iPhone killers. And please, not the trend thing - because people have been saying that shit for the last 8 years at least and the so-called Apple trend doesn't seem to go away. hmmm

As far as the grease goes - that comes from your fingers. It's on your Sidekick as well. I don't even see finger smears on my iPhone's screen - it's not a distraction by any means. The only time I do notice it is when the screen is turned off and that's when I wipe it off on my sleeve with ease. Lets not turn it into a big thing. I'm sure it's the same with Sidekick screens - when your skin comes in contact with the glass surface, it leaves a mark - it happens on every device. Obviously, it's a lot less noticeable on plastic keys - but the thing is - you can't change plastic keys. Your Sidekick is stuck with the same keys for the rest of its lifetime. As for the iPhone - it can be programed to display ANY type of input method - do you see the advantage in having a touchscreen now?

But when I can type out an email with correct grammar and punctuation in a matter of seconds without navigating ridiculous alternative keyboards

Ha! Bullshit with a capital B. You need to have a mental disability to make a claim like that. Navigating in the iPhone is very simple. Have you even used an iPhone before?

Go ahead and use the Sidekick, I don't care what you do - follow your fellow musicians and entertainers - but don't come in here and claim all that shit - some shit you probably read on another message board. Come on KC.

You don't even go into accelerometer - which gives the iPhone a huge advantage in function - especially in gaming. But of course you won't speak on that because you really need to own one and use it daily to understand the advantage it has over other devices like the Sidekick.

 

[Casey]

Okay, KC

You went from "iPhone is a toy - truth!" to Sidekick has equivalent software. hmmm

No, I didn't. My truth comment was directed at the latter part of Rukas' post. Don't try and twist this around, Mr. Numerical Figure.

Ha! Tell that to the million people who bought the iPhone 3G in the first 3 days. Tell that to the manufactures who are creating their own version of touchscreen devices - the so-called iPhone killers. And please, not the trend thing - because people have been saying that shit for the last 8 years at least and the so-called Apple trend doesn't seem to go away. hmmm

Listen, I may not be a fan-boy like you but I like Apple. I find Mac's superior to PC's, at least for creative purposes. I think the iPod range is great. Sorry, but the iPhone simply isn't. People can jump on the bandwagon all they want, that doesn't make it a good device.

As far as the grease goes - that comes from your fingers. It's on your Sidekick as well. I don't even see finger smears on my iPhone's screen - it's not a distraction by any means. The only time I do notice it is when the screen is turned off and that's when I wipe it off on my sleeve with ease. Lets not turn it into a big thing. I'm sure it's the same with Sidekick screens - when your skin comes in contact with the glass surface, it leaves a mark - it happens on every device. Obviously, it's a lot less noticeable on plastic keys - but the thing is - you can't change plastic keys. Your Sidekick is stuck with the same keys for the rest of its lifetime. As for the iPhone - it can be programed to display ANY type of input method - do you see the advantage in having a touchscreen now?

Well no shit Sherlock. I wasn't exactly claiming that grease comes from thin air. You've just reiterated my point. Of course it is less noticeable on plastic keys. That's the whole point.

What alternative inputs would I ever need? It's great in theory, but how many people are ever going to use any other than the default input?

Ha! Bullshit with a capital B. You need to have a mental disability to make a claim like that. Navigating in the iPhone is very simple. Have you even used an iPhone before?

Yes, I have. Extensively. A bandmate of mine has one. In fact, I used the original iPhone about 3 months before it came out, when, on a flight to Seattle, I happened to end up sitting next to a high-ranking Apple exec. Even he wasn't impressed with it. Says it all really.

Navigating may be relatively simple, but it's not as easy as it could (and should) be. That's a fact. I challenge anyone to type a message as fast on an iPhone as they could on a phone with a real QWERTY keyboard. It just ain't gonna happen. I don't want to be staring at my phone like a fucking moron every time I'm writing something, just like when I'm on my computer I don't want to stare at my keyboard when I'm typing.

Go ahead and use the Sidekick, I don't care what you do - follow your fellow musicians and entertainers - but don't come in here and claim all that shit - some shit you probably read on another message board. Come on KC.

I didn't read anything on any other message board, actually. I'm more than capable of formulating my own opinions. In fact, I don't care enough about the iPhone to go around looking for people's criticisms about it. Other than Maddox's article (which I read just as I read all his other articles which I find amusing), I haven't bothered to read up on what people dislike about the iPhone. I don't need to, I know what I dislike about it and that is therefore what I shall express. If my opinions match with what others are saying, then that just gives further weight to them - that others agree. I don't know if that's the case or not, but I suspect it is, simply due to you making that jab about "reading shit on another message board" in the first place.

You don't even go into accelerometer - which gives the iPhone a huge advantage in function - especially in gaming. But of course you won't speak on that because you really need to own one and use it daily to understand the advantage it has over other devices like the Sidekick.

I'm not disputing that, for some people, the iPhone may have certain advantages. For others, it won't. It's swings and roundabouts.

As for the accelerometer, it's a complete non-issue. You can install a file on the Nokia N95 (which my wife owns) to activate the accelerometer on that and it functions the same way the one on the iPhone does. We tried out and determined it was a complete waste of time and promptly uninstalled it.

What kind of gaming? Bullshit like Super Monkey Ball? Sorry, not interested. Oh wait! I think I saw something about a lightsaber app! Let me swing around my phone like a fucking moron!

 

[S. Fourteen]

Listen, I may not be a fan-boy like you but I like Apple. I find Mac's superior to PC's, at least for creative purposes. I think the iPod range is great. Sorry, but the iPhone simply isn't. People can jump on the bandwagon all they want, that doesn't make it a good device.

Fanboy, maybe - but not a blind one and you, sir, are a blind hater. iPhone is a mobile Mac. It runs a lightweight OS X. It's an iPod touch with a cellular network. And if you think the iPhone is not a good device just because it's a phone then you are mistaking. The iPhone has every bit of that Apple magic in it.

Well no shit Sherlock. I wasn't exactly claiming that grease comes from thin air. You've just reiterated my point. Of course it is less noticeable on plastic keys. That's the whole point.

But backtrack - it's not noticeable to begin with. Not some big deal that you're making it out to be.

What alternative inputs would I ever need? It's great in theory, but how many people are ever going to use any other than the default input?

Pffff. Try foreign languages. Try scratching music. Try having a mobile photoshop-like app - where's the brush and crop tools on your plastic keys? And biggest of all is something that we haven't thought of yet. This was Steve Jobs selling point. When somebody has a great idea 2 years from now - the iPhone can display the input method accordingly without relying on the same old plastic keys. That's called usability my friend.

Navigating may be relatively simple, but it's not as easy as it could (and should) be. That's a fact. I challenge anyone to type a message as fast on an iPhone as they could on a phone with a real QWERTY keyboard. It just ain't gonna happen. I don't want to be staring at my phone like a fucking moron every time I'm writing something, just like when I'm on my computer I don't want to stare at my keyboard when I'm typing.

I would say the difference is under the 15 seconds range when you're typing a simple paragraph. If it's short texts, then not much difference.
Not a big enough difference to call it ridiculous. Or call it a trend. Or calling it a bad device (not a good device, whatever).

As for the accelerometer, it's a complete non-issue. You can install a file on the Nokia N95 (which my wife owns) to activate the accelerometer on that and it functions the same way the one on the iPhone does. We tried out and determined it was a complete waste of time and promptly uninstalled it

Maybe because they suck at implementing it? iPhone ftw.

 

[Casey]

Fanboy, maybe - but not a blind one and you, sir, are a blind hater. iPhone is a mobile Mac. It runs a lightweight OS X. It's an iPod touch with a cellular network. And if you think the iPhone is not a good device just because it's a phone then you are mistaking. The iPhone has every bit of that Apple magic in it.

LOL, I was half-kidding when I called you a fanboy, and then you pop up with terms like "Apple magic". Oh dear. And I'm the one that's blind? You sir, and blinded by your loyalty, just as much (if not more) than I.

But backtrack - it's not noticeable to begin with. Not some big deal that you're making it out to be.

Perhaps not to you. It's noticeable to me. I was talking to a hot model recently, she got a call on her iPhone.....when the call ended, I looked at the screen and holy shit, you needed a box of Kleenex to clean that thing.

Being in the entertainment industry, I too have to wear make-up. Everybody does that has to be on camera. I'll be damned if I get foundation on my phone. I can just pop up the screen on my Sidekick if I need to make a call and voila! No mess on my screen. Now that's good design.

Pffff. Try foreign languages. Try scratching music. Try having a mobile photoshop-like app - where's the brush and crop tools on your plastic keys?

If I needed to use foreign languages, I would have bought a foreign phone. I mean come on, is that really necessary? How many people are really going to make a lot of use of that? Not many, I'd wager.

And how often do you really need to scratch music on your phone. LMAO. Quite honestly you would like a major dick doing that. Now, If you'd have said controlling Pro Tools remotely, shit I'd roll with that. That would have been a better argument. But that app is available for the iPod Touch as well, so I'll probably just get me one of those and leave the text-based communication to a REAL phone.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but that mobile Photoshop style app you speak of does not exist. Even if it did, anyone that would really edit images professionally on an iPhone is a moron. That's what a computer is for. I'm a graphic designer and there is no way in hell you could ever edit to the minute detail that I need to in order to get my work done on ANY mobile device. Hence why I haven't purchased the one that's available for the Sidekick (which you can brush and crop on, I might add) Touch screen or no touch screen, you're limited in function due to the small size of any mobile device.

And biggest of all is something that we haven't thought of yet. This was Steve Jobs selling point. When somebody has a great idea 2 years from now - the iPhone can display the input method accordingly without relying on the same old plastic keys. That's called usability my friend.

That is a complete nonsense argument. ""Ooh, it's good for functions we haven't thought of yet!!!" You can say that about any kind of technology. There are always functions that people haven't thought of yet. There's creative ways of utilizing the Sidekick's trackball that no-one's thought of yet. There's creative ways of wiping your butthole after you shit that no-one's thought of yet. GREAT!

I would say the difference is under the 15 seconds range when you're typing a simple paragraph. If it's short texts, then not much difference.
Not a big enough difference to call it ridiculous. Or call it a trend. Or calling it a bad device (not a good device, whatever).

That's a major difference. 15 seconds?? LOL are you fucking kidding me? Do you know how much I communicate on a daily basis? And you want to add up to 15 seconds for every short paragraph I have to type? No thanks. Like I said before - anyone SERIOUS about communication would NOT use a touch screen with no QWERTY keyboard.

Maybe because they suck at implementing it? iPhone ftw.

Explain how much better the iPhone is at implementing it. Software is software no matter what the platform. Actually there's problem better software for the Nokia implementing it because the platform is more open than Apple's. And I haven't seen a practical and useful implementation of the accelerometer on either the iPhone OR the N95. It's utterly pointless.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I have no further comment, really. Watching casey in a debate is like watching a mutt chase its tail.
I'll leave you with some easy to understand pictures.

 

[S. Fourteen]

 

[S. Fourteen]

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[S. Fourteen]

 

[Casey]

What a surprise that you have no further comment.

For the record, your debates are like a blunt pencil - pointless, and no use to anybody.

The fuck outta here with your iPhone fanboy bullshit.

Last I recall, the owner of the site wasn't too impressed with it either. Perhaps you should fuck off to a site run by fellow fanboys.

"I know! I don't have the intellectual capacity to debate any further when my points keep getting annihilated! Let me post some random pictures!" - sincerely yours, P.one-hundred-and-ninety-two

 

[Tha_Wood]

we stuck a pencil up micka's ass one time. perhaps it was blunt

 

[S O F I]

As I was cruising on my batpod, my sonar (I have it configured to triangulate locations of those with homosexual tendencies - in other words something like a gaydar but cooler because i'm batman) picked up something about a certain Simon (Casey Rain in the porn industry and streethop) putting on make-up.

Bruce Wayne says Casey Rain's gay.

 

[Flipmo]

I wouldn't waste my time with the IPhone, Mac is gonna come out with a new phone in the next 2 years anyways.

 

[Caesar]

In no way is a Sidekick a business tool (are we arguing this point, really?).

I use Microsoft Office via work e-mail daily--specifically Excel. This is something that has been around on mobile devices for awhile. They are on Windows Mobile devices (which I've owned but hated). But Sidekicks do not have Microsoft Office or Exchange. Sorry. Game over on that.

And if you don't even use it for business...like Rukas and Casey Rain...the iPhone has apps now that use beatmakers. There is an app on there that is basically an MPC touchscreen. Watch vids on youtube. Timbaland made a hot beat using it.

Fuck the Sidekick. I've had one. It's hardware is a great design but the software is years outdated.

Where did anyone say the Sidekick was a business tool in this thread? I mean, what exactly are you replying to here? Casey said it can be used for business AFTER you'd already LOLed at the notion. Plus it does have a spreadsheet but thats not what the sidekick is for anyway I dont think.

The iphone beatmaker is a total gimmick I installed it on my iphone. It sucks. It is not "basically an MPC" because it doesnt have the sample library. LOL. And the sidekick has a couple too.

Im on the fence. I own a 3g iPhone and love it, but it is all a huge gimmick. Ruk owns the Sidekick slide and I know he can type emails and smses a lot faster on that thing that Ive seen anyone do on the iphone, the touch screen just isnt as efficient as the old qwerty keyboard. But then, my browser is better and I spend more time with the multimedia stuff so it suits me, where as what I think Casey and Ruk are saying is they just want a simple device to communicate on efficiently and quickly and in that department the sidekick has the iphone beat.

 

[Caesar]

Hey casey i was just wondering, now that microsoft owns dangers, are they going to expand the sidekick to kind of be more multimedia and connect it with their zune service? just wondering if anything has been rumored or confirmed.

 

[Caesar]

Also s14, your images are funny. You are comparing pics of a Sidekick 2, thats what 10 years old? To a new iphone? That isnt fair.

The new sidekicks from what I have seen have full page browsers too.

If you are going to compare stuff at least compare the right stuff.

 

[S. Fourteen]

^ that is not the point - the point is the Sidekick is going to be the same regardless of what you want to do with it - and as for the iPhone, you can see that it can have multiple personalities, if you will.

and Flip - Tesla is going to come out with a better Roadster is 2 years - is that still a waste of time if you can actually afford one? NO.

 

[Bender]

I have tried accessing SH on my mobile in the past, it doesn't work for me, but then I only browse the essentials. I hate my wap connection.