I took offence at when he said “monkey-like” and I’m not even black...
Hey, we're all monkeys. If there's any racism here, it's your assumption that I was talking about black people
It's not to be taken 100% literally

I guess energy is a better word? Hiphop is full of youthful, naive and immature energy. On every hiphop forum everyone's still like "yeah word, that's dope" and coming from Germany. I don't know what else to say, like most things it has a lot of good elements and a lot of bad elements, but it's a young culture, and very finite. If you truly get deeply interested in anything hiphop has to offer, say like the social aspect of hiphop culture, or poetry, or the history of the oppressed, or yadda yadda, then that automatically branches into something that extend far beyond hiphop.
It's also not a subjective statement. We can measure it in the amount of information needing to be processsed to perform the art. To actually perform jazz you need to know a great deal about music theory. That's like knowing a lot of maths. It's not intuitively logical, it takes time and investment to learn, and it's useful. It's not confined to jazz. Music theory is in a sense related to physics, and it's tough shit. To be able to rap you don't have to even finish high school, and you can already be going at it large. It's more instantly gratifying to create a rhyme, and it's more natural to us., than it is to learn music theory The mannerisms that go hand-in-hand with hiphop music are part of the culture so again, it's something that's being picked up on from an early age and naturally embodied. That's not true of reading notes. This is not even an attempt to put down hiphop. There's many things that are more basic than jazz (or music theory), or more complex than hiphop, that's neither a put-down to those things or necessarily saying anything about jazz, other than that it's more difficult than many things and easier than some things. They are also incomparable in some ways, so that's something I guess. Hip-hop is younger than many art other forms, meaning it has had less time to mature. Meaning, effectively, it is less mature. It's also a physical thing. I think that's part of why people grow out of it. Like, it seems obvious to me that there's a relevant connection between the fact that when you're young, you're more hormonal, and that the music that young people listen to is more physical and emotionally amplified.
Which is why at some point, it was no longer super interesting to me. Doesn't mean I hate it, just means it doesn't get my blood pumping anymore.
There was so much wrong with what you said Preach that I just can't...lol
The part about old people not getting into hiphop? Or the part about it being less complex than jazz? I don't think I'm wrong about those things.