Tax Money

[keco52]

As boring as it sounds, you should save it. Remember it was YOUR money in the first place... You didnt get it for free

Pretty much. I like to have a certain amount in my savings account and a certain amount in my checking. If it dips below that point I start panicking and only eating ramen noodles until it comes back up.

 

[masta247]

What the hell is LED?

LED is usually just a marketing gimmick for selling inferior but slimmer tvs for more money.
Led is just LCD backlit with diodes instead of fluorescent lamps.
Most cheap LEDs are just Edge Leds that suck ball compared to "conventional" LCDs because technically fluorescent lamps offer a bit warmer image. There's that hype around them because they are slimmer.
Slim LCDs = edge LED.
Full Leds are only a tad better because they usually offer local dimming and no "flashing corners". However they are even thicker than traditional LCDs.
The cheapest one with full led is Sharp LE705 which doesn't have local dimming though.
However LED LCD is the technology that is the cheapest to manufacture but prices for these TVs are the highest since LED is "trendy" now. In the 2-3k $ area it's still better to buy a traditional LCD going only by image quality.
Plasma > LCD though if flickering doesn't bother you. It does bother me but word on the geek street is that Panasonic plasmas are the shit now.

 

[Pittsey]

Plasma > LCD though if flickering doesn't bother you. It does bother me but word on the geek street is that Panasonic plasmas are the shit now.

Is that true? Superior to Pioneer?

 

[masta247]

Is that true? Superior to Pioneer?

Pioneer has left the plasma game. If you can get a brand new Kuro then I guess it would still be better than new Panasonics if it comes to image quality. Not that much though and there are almost no new Kuros unfortunately.
If you're shopping for an entry level or mid end plasma then Panasonics are the best. They are the ones who minimized the Image retention and green ghosting effects on plasmas while their competition still struggles with these to a way bigger extent.
There's an issue with black levels on new Panasonics though. Paradoxally this year's LCDs have deeper blacks than Panasonic plasmas.

 

[Pittsey]

Pioneer has left the plasma game. If you can get a brand new Kuro then I guess it would still be better than new Panasonics if it comes to image quality. Not that much though and there are almost no new Kuros unfortunately.
If you're shopping for an entry level or mid end plasma then Panasonics are the best. They are the ones who minimized the Image retention and green ghosting effects on plasmas while their competition still struggles with these to a way bigger extent.
There's an issue with black levels on new Panasonics though. Paradoxally this year's LCDs have deeper blacks than Panasonic plasmas.

My isssue is with blacks and motion blur. When I buy a telly. This is why I was looking at a 200Hz + OLED screen. But I may stick with plasma.

 

[vg4030]

My isssue is with blacks and motion blur. When I buy a telly. This is why I was looking at a 200Hz + OLED screen. But I may stick with plasma.

 

[vg4030]

Pretty much. I like to have a certain amount in my savings account and a certain amount in my checking. If it dips below that point I start panicking and only eating ramen noodles until it comes back up.

Yeah Im kinda the same. If you bank with Chase I think they can set it up to automatically draw from your savings if your checking acc falls below a certain level or negative.

 

[masta247]

My isssue is with blacks and motion blur. When I buy a telly. This is why I was looking at a 200Hz + OLED screen. But I may stick with plasma.

There are no OLED screens in sale right now (except of some single small below 20inch which are expensive as hell). Some stores and manufacturers confuse people a bit.
There are only traditional LCDs, LED LCDs (which sometimes people confuse with OLED which is an entirely different technology) and Plasmas.
The first commercial OLED screen bigger than 30 inch is being developed by Panasonic and is supposed to be released sometime in between 2012 and 2014.

There's no motion blur on plasmas. There is motion blur on LCD but they did a good job minimizing it - especially with motion compensation algorithms (100/120/200/240"hz").
It was my main issue with LCDs too. Now the main issue for me is input lag (not the pixel response time).
All image enhancers steal precious seconds between the signal input and output on the screen which makes for example playing games not so comfortable. This year it's unfortunately the case with Sony and Samsung which add over 100ms of input lag. In theory that's just 1/10th of a second but still it's easy to feel that lag while playing games. Some people claim that they can also hear that while watching live concerts/music videos.
Other than that Sony and Samsung this year offer really great TVs. Almost no visible motion blur and fantastic black levels:

Mid-end Sony Ex500 (LCD) to the left and a Panasonic Plasma to the right.

edit: This is the biggest OLED screen that's available in stores:

A few thousand pounds for a 11-inch screen.

 

[_carmi]

Pioneer has left the plasma game. If you can get a brand new Kuro then I guess it would still be better than new Panasonics if it comes to image quality. Not that much though and there are almost no new Kuros unfortunately.
If you're shopping for an entry level or mid end plasma then Panasonics are the best. They are the ones who minimized the Image retention and green ghosting effects on plasmas while their competition still struggles with these to a way bigger extent.
There's an issue with black levels on new Panasonics though. Paradoxally this year's LCDs have deeper blacks than Panasonic plasmas.

really interesting info. i love reading about these things from people who have the knowledge. can't trust stores or sellers for that.
i thought LCD had won over Plasma TVs over the years. I guess not from what you are saying. but this is a battle a la HD DVD vs Blu Ray. which technology do you think will win?

 

[Rukas]

Save it for our trip to the snow.

 

[Pittsey]

There are no OLED screens in sale right now (except of some single small below 20inch which are expensive as hell). Some stores and manufacturers confuse people a bit.
There are only traditional LCDs, LED LCDs (which sometimes people confuse with OLED which is an entirely different technology) and Plasmas.
The first commercial OLED screen bigger than 30 inch is being developed by Panasonic and is supposed to be released sometime in between 2012 and 2014.

There's no motion blur on plasmas. There is motion blur on LCD but they did a good job minimizing it - especially with motion compensation algorithms (100/120/200/240"hz").
It was my main issue with LCDs too. Now the main issue for me is input lag (not the pixel response time).
All image enhancers steal precious seconds between the signal input and output on the screen which makes for example playing games not so comfortable. This year it's unfortunately the case with Sony and Samsung which add over 100ms of input lag. In theory that's just 1/10th of a second but still it's easy to feel that lag while playing games. Some people claim that they can also hear that while watching live concerts/music videos.
Other than that Sony and Samsung this year offer really great TVs. Almost no visible motion blur and fantastic black levels:

Mid-end Sony Ex500 (LCD) to the left and a Panasonic Plasma to the right.

edit: This is the biggest OLED screen that's available in stores:

A few thousand pounds for a 11-inch screen.

I like the B6000 Samsung. As it's also pretty reasonably priced. Only a couple of hundred quid more than the older samsungs.

 

[masta247]

really interesting info. i love reading about these things from people who have the knowledge. can't trust stores or sellers for that.
i thought LCD had won over Plasma TVs over the years. I guess not from what you are saying. but this is a battle a la HD DVD vs Blu Ray. which technology do you think will win?

Hard to tell. Plasma despite its few shortcomings still offer superior image quality.
LCDs outsell plasmas though. Most people think that LCD is newer and better.
Whenever people go shopping for a new TV LCDs look nicer because they are able to display much brighter image which looks better in a shop. Plasma looks better at home.
I think that both technologies will sell for the next few years but LCD is the one that most companies invest much more money into. They want them to sell well now.

I like the B6000 Samsung. As it's also pretty reasonably priced. Only a couple of hundred quid more than the older samsungs.

B6000 is a last year's Edge Led model. It looks very nice but if it comes to image quality it's maybe a bit average considering its original price tag. If you can get it at a reasonable price it's indeed worth considering.
There's also a c6000 model (2010 version of b6000) which is improved a bit:
Samsung C6000 (C6300) review - FlatpanelsHD

Considering the pricing model for this year's TVs you might be able to find it for even cheaper than last year's models.

 

[Stred]

snow it is