Stupid People

[masta247]

I believe that the test was legit since it was posted on Gamespot's main site and IF it was biased then I think it was biased towards Microsoft's rivals (thus the title).

Of course they still fail but it's not like buying a console right now is "risky" and it's stupid how people are scared of buying a new console because of RROD. Microsoft's warranty is 36 months long and even IF something goes wrong you get a brand new console within a few days. That's what warranty is for. Chances are that most probably you will get bored/buy a new console by the time this one fails.


Most sites right now say that RROD problem for 65nm chip based consoles is somewhere between 1 and 4 %.
23% is an overall fail statistic for ALL xbox360 consoles and like I said most people bought their consoles in 2005 and 2006 when they:
a. really had a lot of bugs
b. they are old by now so even a decent hardware and best cooling lose a lot of their reliability.
Considering that Jasper (the newest Xbox) is good enough to help Microsoft raise their reliability statistics that much then yes, I think it's more reliable than PS3 that haven't ever been 'fixed'. I don't know about Ps3 Slim since it's too early to say though. However we're still talking about funny, little numbers that in no way should stop anyone from buying any console right now.
And no, I wouldn't buy a 360 in 2005 or 2006 though I know people who did and had no problems at all.

Right now I know at least 10 houses with Xbox360s including mine and all of them fortunately work flawlessly.

PS. Funny thing is that European 360s are totally different thanks to EU standards. The GPU is soldered using different, more 'eco-friendly' methods.

 

[ARon]

Most sites right now say that RROD problem for 65nm chip based consoles is somewhere between 1 and 4 %.
23% is an overall fail statistic for ALL xbox360 consoles and like I said most people bought their consoles in 2005 and 2006 when they:
a. really had a lot of bugs
b. they are old by now so even a decent hardware and best cooling lose a lot of their reliability.
Considering that Jasper (the newest Xbox) is good enough to help Microsoft raise their reliability statistics that much then yes, I think it's more reliable than PS3 that haven't ever been 'fixed'. I don't know about Ps3 Slim since it's too early to say though. However we're still talking about funny, little numbers that in no way should stop anyone from buying any console right now.
And no, I wouldn't buy a 360 in 2005 or 2006 though I know people who did and had no problems at all.

Right now I know at least 10 houses with Xbox360s including mine and all of them fortunately work flawlessly.

The ps3 was already using 65nm chips and the ps3 slim uses a faster 45nm chip, see here.

If we're thinking most problems were caused by the 90nm getting too heated then it's safe to assume that the new 360 and old ps3 are neck and neck, the ps3 slim is now where the old ps3 was a couple years ago, ahead of the curve.

 

[Preach]

Whether you want a PS3 or a 360 is just a matter of preference. What ticked me off when I read comments like the guy's that I quoted, was that these seemed to be your typical people that believe that everything should be guaranteed 100%. you know that urban legend type story about the burglar that fell on a knife and sued the person whose house he broke into, and won? they're that kind of people. just assholes. "i pay for a service you provide, and since you provide it i expect you to move the earth and change the sky so that it may work 100% optimally for me 100% of the time."

Listen, I appreciate good customer service since I happen to work in the field, and admittedly my rage has to do with dealing with similar customers from time to time, but it's just a selfless, ignorant, retarded and disrespectful attitude. Fuck em.

 

[masta247]

The ps3 was already using 65nm chips and the ps3 slim uses a faster 45nm chip, see here.

If we're thinking most problems were caused by the 90nm getting too heated then it's safe to assume that the new 360 and old ps3 are neck and neck, the ps3 slim is now where the old ps3 was a couple years ago, ahead of the curve.

Not a faster 45nm - it just works on a lower voltage which means a bit less heat. However it's safe to assume that the temperature of the PS3 Slim system is still higher since it's box is smaller.
It's not those chips that are the problem.
65nm are on average only a few degrees less hot than 90nm. The difference between 40nm and 65nm is just a few %. The main difference is that these chips are cheaper to make since it's technically the same chip but smaller.
Both xbox360 and ps3 are well made but "shit happens". Ps3 uses hardware of slightly better quality but Xbox360 was constantly researched and redesigned thanks to all those technical problems with older versions. Older 360s had a problem with GPU that was soldered to the motherboard (and actually it still is in every console).
Temperature after a long game combined with a cooling system which always keeps getting less efficient with every day contributed to the problem of GPU losing it's contact with the motherboard thus first creating artifacts and other visual problems and then when it loses it's contact the famous RROD occurs.
The E71 error which is the second biggest problem for many 360 users is also a GPU error.

 

[ARon]

That article I got from yahoo says it's speedier in the first sentence.

Degrees matter no matter how miniscule it is. If the box is ventilated properly the size of it doesnt really matter either. I'm sure we'll have people doing temperature comparisons in no time.

 

[masta247]

Xbox has great ventilation. After a year the temperature inside can rise up to 15 degrees celsius with a great cooling system in any console. It's perfectly normal that it happens with time. Even in our PC's it rises a few degrees.
Size of the case does matter. If you open up your xbox you'll see that it could be way smaller.
There are many empty spaces. I bet that if it was in fact smaller it would be twice as faulty. People actually spend weeks to design a console's case for good air circulation. The smaller the case the harder it is though.

I haven't seen any tests yet but it can't be faster if it's the same processor, just smaller thanks to going 40nm. First test mean that it's slower to boot and slower to run Blu-Ray disks.

However we'll see with time how faulty those PS3 Slims will be.

 

[ARon]

Xbox has great ventilation. After a year the temperature inside can rise up to 15 degrees celsius with a great cooling system in any console. It's perfectly normal that it happens with time. Even in our PC's it rises a few degrees.
Size of the case does matter. If you open up your xbox you'll see that it could be way smaller.
There are many empty spaces. I bet that if it was in fact smaller it would be twice as faulty. People actually spend weeks to design a console's case for good air circulation. The smaller the case the harder it is though.

I haven't seen any tests yet but it can't be faster if it's the same processor, just smaller thanks to going 40nm. First test mean that it's slower to boot and slower to run Blu-Ray disks.

However we'll see with time how faulty those PS3 Slims will be.

That's why i said if ventialted properly the size of the case does not matter.

And you should know by now those tests aka youtube videos were done using different firmwares.

And everywhee I read it is faster

The PlayStation 3 Slim gaming console from Sony Computer Entertainment is not only smaller and cheaper, but adds hardware enhancements that make it speedier, including a new Cell microprocessor.

...Sony has made some enhancements under the hood to boost its processing speed and power efficiency. The gaming console will carry an upgraded version of the Cell microprocessor, which is being jointly developed by IBM, Sony, and Toshiba.

Slim Carries Updated Cell Chip

In this PC World article it also says Sony wont reveal the speed of the chip but that's common so whatever

 

[masta247]

Slim Carries Updated Cell Chip

In this PC World article it also says Sony wont reveal the speed of the chip but that's common so whatever

okay, my bad if it's really faster. It's that I recall hearing different info before.

I doubt that the Ps3 slim will use the same firmware as normal PS3s though.

 

[ARon]

Yeah man the thing is ps3 slim was shipped using firmware 3.0 and 3.0 didn't go live til last monday or whatever it was and those videos came out like the week prior or on that weekend so the original ps3's in the video were still using 2.8. They're using the same firmware now

 

[masta247]

Same like the very same firmware files? Since both consoles rock different motherboards and chips these are probably different firmwares that are similar or something.

Anyway is PS3 slim booting faster now?