Rukas exposed; beef related.

[Rukas]

Not that I think it has anything to do with being or not being a vegetarian, I do not believe in evolution as I believe it is as much a science based on faith as any religion is, there simply is not enough evidence to prove it and it is something people "believe" just like some people believe in creation.

Both are systems of faith. But that is a whole other thread in Words of Wisdom.

 

[Rukas]

Maybe it is the fact that I am jetlagged or that it is 2am, but I find your attempt at humor extremely lame.

Because unlike your three year old and your dog, the pig isn't yours.

Who cares whose it is. I would not eat a strangers dog or three year old either. I would not eat any dog or three year old, therefore I will not eat any pig.

Still, don't let your guard down. A cow once pulled a switchblade on me.

And like I said, if an animal poses a threat to, or harms, me or someone I care about, I will stop it with force and kill it if necessary.

I just refuse to be involved in the murder of a life that has caused me no harm and puts me at no danger; and eating an animal's flesh is involving yourself in it's murder.

Regardless, these are my personal beliefs and I am not trying to change anyone. My girlfriend still eats meat I have no problem watching her do it and do not put pressure on her to change; Im not some sort of hippy freak on a crusade, this is just something I choose to do, or rather, not do.

 

[keco52]

Apes, in case you haven't noticed...................are vegetarian.

They eat lice off of each other...does that count as meat?

 

[Chronic]

Gorillas are vegetarian, chimpanzees eat meat, bonobos (our closest relative) are mainly vegetarian but will eat meat on occassion.

Instincts are a means of survival, that's it. Instinct can even work against animals. What makes us human is our ability to ignore our instincts when we disagree with them. Saying it's part of our nature to eat meat is irrelevant because we don't live like animals anymore (for the most part). We don't do plenty of things that are "natural" to us and for good reason.

It's your right to eat meat just like it's your right to cheat on your wife and sniff your daughter's panties. But should you? For the most part we don't need meat so it's a question of valueing the life of a living being over the enjoyment of a good piece of meat. Like Rukas said I don't care what kind of lifeform it is I just care it's alive. I don't want to be responsible for the killing of animals when all there is to gain is some really nice food.

Some people honestly think it's okay to eat meat. I thoroughly disagree with them but I guess I can respect it, if they provide valid arguments. A lot of people hide behind the fact that they're not forced to answer for their actions though. The suffering goes on behind the scenes and "everyone" does it. It's demand and supply, if you stop demanding meat from abused animals it will no longer be supplied. So no matter how you twist it you're responsible for everything that happens to those animals. For the most part I see people who simply want to eat meat because it's so great and go with any argument that will "allow" them to do it. "It's the way of life" is not a valid argument unless you completely ban all morality. You can't choose to go with "the way of life" when it suits you. Rape is very much a natural part of life (remember that turtle rape video on youtube?). So is murder and infanticide, when a male lion forces replaces the head of the pride he'll kill his cubs so only his DNA will be passed on. Animals will kill disabled infants so they can't reproduce and pollute the gene pool. On these things (most) people choose to go with the moral way of life. It makes me wonder if the only real reason why eating meat is so common is because animals can't talk back, they can't protest and verbally express their inhumane suffering. Makes it easy to ignore.

Oh and ... not THIS again!

 

[Sebastian]

I stopped reading Milis reply when he said apes are vegetarians....incredible.

 

[stefanwzyga]

Millions of living creatures get killed in the harvesting of fields everyday, so if your happy eating carrots/potatoes and whatnot your still contributing to the death of living animals wether you like it or not.


Like i said before i was a veggie for 8 years. I found it a pain in the arse explaining i was a veggie and that i cant eat that, or asking whats in this? At the end of the day i thought lifes to short, fuck it.

 

[Chronic]

^^
Biological food.

 

[S O F I]

I don't eat dog because it doesn't taste delicious.

I tried dog yeah.

 

[Glockmatic]

It's your right to eat meat just like it's your right to cheat on your wife and sniff your daughter's panties. But should you? For the most part we don't need meat so it's a question of valueing the life of a living being over the enjoyment of a good piece of meat. Like Rukas said I don't care what kind of lifeform it is I just care it's alive. I don't want to be responsible for the killing of animals when all there is to gain is some really nice food.

You know that vegetables and fruits are life forms right? We have to eat other living things to survive, it is a part of everything in the animal kingdom.

Some people honestly think it's okay to eat meat. I thoroughly disagree with them but I guess I can respect it, if they provide valid arguments. A lot of people hide behind the fact that they're not forced to answer for their actions though. The suffering goes on behind the scenes and "everyone" does it. It's demand and supply, if you stop demanding meat from abused animals it will no longer be supplied. So no matter how you twist it you're responsible for everything that happens to those animals.

We can use the argument against eating vegetables too. The spraying of pesticides and fertilizer kills people and animals and the water pollution kills many more. Now you'll say "We can just buy organic vegetables.", well you can also buy meat that hasn't been from abused animals.

For the most part I see people who simply want to eat meat because it's so great and go with any argument that will "allow" them to do it. "It's the way of life" is not a valid argument unless you completely ban all morality.
You can't choose to go with "the way of life" when it suits you. Rape is very much a natural part of life (remember that turtle rape video on youtube?). So is murder and infanticide, when a male lion forces replaces the head of the pride he'll kill his cubs so only his DNA will be passed on. Animals will kill disabled infants so they can't reproduce and pollute the gene pool. On these things (most) people choose to go with the moral way of life. It makes me wonder if the only real reason why eating meat is so common is because animals can't talk back, they can't protest and verbally express their inhumane suffering. Makes it easy to ignore.

Good things vegetables and fruits don't have faces because we would have nothing left to eat.

 

[Shahin]

LOL at a carcass-eater calling a vegetarian ignorant. Hypocritical much? I think you need to learn a little something, enjoy.

Do you even know the definition of ignorant? It wasn't an insult, you are extremely ignorant on this topic as is shown by the article you posted as an attempt at a rebuttal. To think that more room to grow more food will solve an issue as complex as world hunger shows logic on a 13-15 year old level.

 

[Cooper]

Not that I think it has anything to do with being or not being a vegetarian, I do not believe in evolution as I believe it is as much a science based on faith as any religion is, there simply is not enough evidence to prove it and it is something people "believe" just like some people believe in creation.

Both are systems of faith. But that is a whole other thread in Words of Wisdom.

Can you point me towards the thread...I don't wanna fill this thread with evolution evidence

Oh yea, on a side note, I respect your decision not to eat meat, but it's not for me. I don't agree with battery farming, Shechita and things like that, but I don't disagree with eating meat in general.

 

[Shahin]

^^yeah me too.

 

[Chronic]

You know that vegetables and fruits are life forms right? We have to eat other living things to survive, it is a part of everything in the animal kingdom.

I've always wondered when exactly apples die when you're eating them alive. After it's completely gone? Or does it bleed to death after the first bite?

We can use the argument against eating vegetables too. The spraying of pesticides and fertilizer kills people and animals and the water pollution kills many more. Now you'll say "We can just buy organic vegetables.", well you can also buy meat that hasn't been from abused animals.

Yes you can. I don't agree with eating animals when there are alternatives though.

Good things vegetables and fruits don't have faces because we would have nothing left to eat.

Yes.

 

[Cooper]

I've always wondered when exactly apples die when you're eating them alive. After it's completely gone? Or does it bleed to death after the first bite?

When it's picked from the plant I think.

 

[Glockmatic]

I've always wondered when exactly apples die when you're eating them alive. After it's completely gone? Or does it bleed to death after the first bite?

It doesn't matter when it dies, it is made of living cells like all other animals.

Yes you can. I don't agree with eating animals when there are alternatives though.

And I don't agree with eating only vegetables when there are other alternatives as well. Fantastic

 

[Chronic]

It doesn't matter when it dies, it is made of living cells like all other animals.

And I choose to eat the thing that doesn't suffer when I kill it.

And I don't agree with eating only vegetables when there are other alternatives as well. Fantastic

hehehehe?

 

[Glockmatic]

And I choose to eat the thing that doesn't suffer when I kill it.

Bolt guns are fairly humane

 

[Prize Gotti]

Look I don't care if people are vegetarian or not, but using "animal murder" or "we have a conscience not to eat" bullshit does not make you it ok for you to tell people it is not ok to eat meat. If you are saying its ok for other animals to eat meat because they have less intelligence/no conscience thought is only weakening your arguement, how can you care so much about animals if that is your opinion? Just because they don't talk or type away on computer, own a house and what not does NOT make them less equal to humans, they have just as much right to life as humans do and that is why it is ok to eat meat becuase they would eat you if they had the chance, just as how we eat them.

Anyway, as I said, if you want to choose not to eat meat, be my guest, just don't use bullshit arguments to dictate to people that they are wrong for eating meat.

 

[Da_Funk]

I smoke, so I didnt give up meat because it is bad for me, although I know it is. I simply do not want to be involved with the murder of animals.

It occurred to me the other week that I do not eat veal and lamb because baby cows and sheep are cute and I feel bad eating them. Ive always been like this, preferring steak to veal and never eating lamb. I realized in my revelation that being "cute" does not mean your life is any more valid than something else's; cute animals have no more of a right to live than ugly animals and vice versa, life is life.

Can you guys imagine if we killed humans based on their attractiveness?

I then realized that I do not want to eat any meat, and will not have my dictated by the appearance of the animal that is slaughtered.

Animals have families, parents, it is life, and they have done nothing to me, so I will not take that from them. If a dog attacked me, I would snap it's neck, but I will not be involved in the murder of an animal that has caused me no harm.

You guys dont have to follow my footsteps, I dont preach, but if you seriously can not at least follow my rational and see my point on life, I feel sorry for you.

See this is a respectable arguement and I think any intelligent person will not argue with you. However, when you have people who act like immature 15 year olds (Hi Militant!) it doesn't work so well.

 

[Chronic]

Look I don't care if people are vegetarian or not, but using "animal murder" or "we have a conscience not to eat" bullshit does not make you it ok for you to tell people it is not ok to eat meat

Why not? It's not like vegetarians just disagree out of principle.
And why exactly is it bullshit?

If you are saying its ok for other animals to eat meat because they have less intelligence/no conscience thought is only weakening your arguement, how can you care so much about animals if that is your opinion?

There is no "okay" in the animal world, there is no right or wrong. And carnivores serve a necessary purpose. I don't have a minimum intelligence requirement to respect something.

becuase they would eat you if they had the chance, just as how we eat them.

Best argument ever: animals do it so you can too!

Also when an animal kills it's usually for food, defense or a mistake. Only humans kill because they'd rather have meat than something vegetarian. So even if it made sense to compare humans with other animals it's still not valid since the reasons for killing are usually different. I have absolutely no problem with (for example) Amazonian tribes that eat meat because they have no alternatives and they live 'with' nature, not above it. They eat meat for survival, not simply enjoyment.