Melle Mel just dissed your god on hot97

[LyricalDisguise]

I agree that pac didn't brought only possitive messages but also negativity, but which human being haven't?? nobody is perfect.. and certently pac wasn't a role model..

But in no way he's responsible for today's 'young thugs',
if 50 cent, the game, g-unit & all those other 'studio-gangstas' were really influenced by pac, which I doubt, they just didn't understand his real message (and the other side of pac)

 

[hoax]

pac is what i call real. we humans have sometimes good and bad moods and to put this emotion to his art that is the truest work that an musician/actor/writer/sportmen etc. could do. i dont wanna see an fake artist who are fake in his work.
so please dont blame pac for all this bullshit in the world.
why they dont diss mr. bush? he's a real gansta.

 

[Giz]

I can't believe you people are agreeing with this guy?

"He ushered in a NEGATIVITY to the game", I have listened to pretty much everything Pac put out and I disagree with this! Sure Pac had his bad days, but the overall message was way more positive than the opposite, come on man!

I miss the days when people wasn't afraid to be a fan of Pac, these days everybody are so busy trying to prove how little they actually like the man!

 

[Kadafi Son]

pac is what i call real. we humans have sometimes good and bad moods and to put this emotion to his art that is the truest work that an musician/actor/writer/sportmen etc. could do. i dont wanna see an fake artist who are fake in his work.
so please dont blame pac for all this bullshit in the world.
why they dont diss mr. bush? he's a real gansta.

Gotta agree. Some of ya'll makin it seem like Pac only had a positive and a negative side in his music. But he had neither of them. All those songs he put out were just a man's feelings. Your not gonna rap just for the hell it. Haven't ya'll seen Resurrection or Tupac VS?
And another thing. Why in the hell did somebody say it was because of 2pac that hip-hop died? As far as I remember, in the middle of the 90's, rap was at its best. Pac was there. Jay-Z, Nas, Big, Bone Thugs, Ice Cube, the song "I Got 5 On It" was the shit. 2pac isn't responsible for the phony artist (50 Cent, Cash Money, Lil Jon, the whole radio station) coming out today. Tupac said in interviews to support the real. But some of ya'll support the phony out today.
The only song I can't back Pac on was Hit Em Up. But hey, he was just expressin his anger at Bad Boy and wanted ya'll to see them for the phonies they might've been. But songs like Fuckin With Tha Wrong Nigga or Fake Ass Bitches were just a day in the life. Ya'll act like Pac said, "Listen to this shit, nigga. It's gonna make you fake and wanna name yourself 50 Cent or Ying Yang or some shit like that. Just talk about money and the rap game is yours." And Pac never really talked about being rich like Cash Money. Let me rephrase that. Artist like Cash Money got videos were the just got bitches and $20 necklaces all in your face as if they were trying to make you jealous. And then, thats what their whole album is about. Whenever 2pac would talk about money, he'd talk about it like it was a dream come true. "Still Ballin, til the day I die. You can bring your crew but WE REMAIN TRUE."
I like Melle Mel. I know his songs. He influences me. And even though Mel was part of starting the whole Hip Hop revolution, Pac had the greater impact. Not just on the so-called "young thugs", but on single mothers, abused kids, people in poverty, teenage mothers, hustlers, people in depression. He had a impact on people like that. And some of ya'll might say I'm riding 2pac dick, but I'm one of those same people who used to be in depression, living with an alcoholic mother and a broken family. Tupac's music helped me get over a lot of the hard times in my life and other peoples lives.

Feel Me?

 

[Kid_Viciouz]

Im Sorry But Without Negativity Hip Hop Or Rap Would Not Be Around Anymore. Lets Take It Back To The Late 70's And Early To Mid 80's When Hip Hop Was Born The Shit The Furious 5's And The LL Cool J's As Well As The Melle Mel's Was Doing Was Fine For That Time Period. But Lets Face It That Shit Got Hella Boring. And Hip Hop stop Making Money It was On Its Way Out Until People Like NWA Came Along And Injected Some Life Into The Music. Yes It Was Violent Yes It Was Brutal But It Kept Hip Hop Alive. People Were Tired of That Founding Fathers Rap. Think About It This Way Take Will Smith For Instance In 1982 He Would Have Been A Top Mc But Nowadays Nobody Wants To Hear That Bullshit. So Before People Throw Stones Lets Remember Negativity Made Hip Hop Sell And It Also Made It Interesting. So To Say That A Man Is Not A Top Rapper Because Of The Negativity Around His Music is Ignorant. Im Not Dissing Melle mell I Got Alot Of Respect For That Cat I Just Think He's Being A Hater But He Can Have His Own Opinion That's What Makes Us Human.

 

[LyricalDisguise]

^ nice you didn't forget your capslock unlocked

But i agree that without negativity in the rapgame there would only be Will Smith's around

 

[Khaled]

i agree with mel
had it not been 4 pac, rap artists 2day would be holding hands and singing "we are the world" and be drinking coke

 

[Pain Of Depth]

i agree with melly mel. 2pac did bring that 'fuck everybody' im a thug' image into hiphop and commercialized the shit out of it and now everyone goin around bitin off the same image. so i think 2pac had alot to do with the death of hip hop, which wasnt about money or how much of a thug you are. what? 2pac didnt rap about making money or being rich??


saaphir your only basing your info on singles son, you cant compare the singles that they play on the radio with other more real songs like hold ya head. apples and oranges son, apples and oranges...

god you almost had me there , I ALMOST took you seriously ... you *****
death of hip hop by rapping 'bout money? I don't think so , 'Pac wanted it to be more about money , so they could use that to help the community the rappers came from .. ( I'm sure u heard the interview )
while 'Pac actually wanted to put the money in the community , most of these rappers nowadays don't .. and that destroys hip hop , cuz rappers say/rap anything just to make themselves some money & if that means making no meaningful songs , they don't care ...
not what 'Pac did , is it?

 

[Kadafi Son]

god you almost had me there , I ALMOST took you seriously ... you *****
death of hip hop by rapping 'bout money? I don't think so , 'Pac wanted it to be more about money , so they could use that to help the community the rappers came from .. ( I'm sure u heard the interview )
while 'Pac actually wanted to put the money in the community , most of these rappers nowadays don't .. and that destroys hip hop , cuz rappers say/rap anything just to make themselves some money & if that means making no meaningful songs , they don't care ...
not what 'Pac did , is it?

Correct. But people ain't seeing this. If they got a tight song, then hip hop is back on its feet? Hell naw. Pac also said something like, "Look at the phonies. They don't care about our communities. You have to give back to the community that raised you." Something like that. But you guys have to watch Tupac VS to understand some of Pac's reasons in his music. I had a lot of people watch it and that made them understand. I'm a couselour in the community I live in. The kids ask me how to deal with some things in life, and tell them to listen to some music to calm there souls. I ask what they listen to, and they tell me 2pac, Warren G, and other shit.

 

[AmerikazMost]

I don't think Pac ever intended to have the effect he did, but the truth is that all the gangsta gangsta shit is because of him. These rappers and record companies look at all the controversy around him and all the records he sold, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that they weren't linked. You think All Eyez on Me would have sold the millions it did without the sexual assault/shooting/East-West beef? Nope, and you're kidding yourself if you say otherwise. The average fan doesn't buy the music, it buys the rapper. You think if Nas did "Ass Like That" people would eat it up? Hell no. But when Eminem does it it's the funniest song ever.

Ask Rakim how many records raw talent sells.

The fact is these rappers are 'thugs' because Pac was a thug and it sold records.

 

[Kadafi Son]

I don't think Pac ever intended to have the effect he did, but the truth is that all the gangsta gangsta shit is because of him. These rappers and record companies look at all the controversy around him and all the records he sold, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that they weren't linked. You think All Eyez on Me would have sold the millions it did without the sexual assault/shooting/East-West beef? Nope, and you're kidding yourself if you say otherwise. The average fan doesn't buy the music, it buys the rapper. You think if Nas did "Ass Like That" people would eat it up? Hell no. But when Eminem does it it's the funniest song ever.

Ask Rakim how many records raw talent sells.

The fact is these rappers are 'thugs' because Pac was a thug and it sold records.

I agree on that to, but if rappers wanted to be so much like 2pac, then why didn't they make a song where they tapped into there emotions and expressed there agony and shit like that. Don't they realize that Brenda's Got A Baby, Dear Mama, So Many Tears and I Ain't Mad At Ya were the tracks Pac was most credited on. Pac's "gangsta" songs was cool, but they didn't give him the status he got. The emotional songs did. That's why celebrities (who respect Pac) give him praise. He had something ELSE to say. But rappers today only have the SAME concepts in there songs.
But I'm not saying all rappers today are lame. I like The Game, Nas, DMX and a few more, cuz they have stories and shit on their albums. But the positive songs never get played on the radio. At least where I stay (South Florida). All I ever hear is that annoying ass crunk music. I barely listen to the radio anymore.

 

[LyricalDisguise]

I don't think Pac ever intended to have the effect he did, but the truth is that all the gangsta gangsta shit is because of him. These rappers and record companies look at all the controversy around him and all the records he sold, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that they weren't linked. You think All Eyez on Me would have sold the millions it did without the sexual assault/shooting/East-West beef? Nope, and you're kidding yourself if you say otherwise. The average fan doesn't buy the music, it buys the rapper. You think if Nas did "Ass Like That" people would eat it up? Hell no. But when Eminem does it it's the funniest song ever.

Ask Rakim how many records raw talent sells.

The fact is these rappers are 'thugs' because Pac was a thug and it sold records.

I agree it's all the hype, but should you blame tupac for that, or should you blame these ignorant, talentless, creativity-lacking copycats themselves?

 

[AmerikazMost]

I agree on that to, but if rappers wanted to be so much like 2pac, then why didn't they make a song where they tapped into there emotions and expressed there agony and shit like that. Don't they realize that Brenda's Got A Baby, Dear Mama, So Many Tears and I Ain't Mad At Ya were the tracks Pac was most credited on. Pac's "gangsta" songs was cool, but they didn't give him the status he got. The emotional songs did. That's why celebrities (who respect Pac) give him praise. He had something ELSE to say. But rappers today only have the SAME concepts in there songs.
But I'm not saying all rappers today are lame. I like The Game, Nas, DMX and a few more, cuz they have stories and shit on their albums. But the positive songs never get played on the radio. At least where I stay (South Florida). All I ever hear is that annoying ass crunk music. I barely listen to the radio anymore.

They don't want to be like Pac, they want to sell as many records as Pac.

 

[AmerikazMost]

I agree it's all the hype, but should you blame tupac for that, or should you blame these ignorant, talentless, creativity-lacking copycats themselves?

Blame him? No, but you can't say he's not the reason. Pac didn't choose to get a bogus (IMO) sexual assault charge, Pac didn't choose to get shot, and Pac didn't tell the media to blow up his beef with Biggie like they did. The fact is, however, they did.

I think you also have to look at DMX for this though. Pac may have made the formula, but X proved it works.

 

[Kadafi Son]

You know, I think this thing is bigger than Pac, X, or anything. Everything is based on opinions, but some opinions are just so ignorant that you have to debate. Don't go at 2pac. He never said it was cool to shoot somebody. Don't go at Snoop Dogg (Old school Snoop). He and Pac never said get a sexual assault charge so you can sell and destroy hip hop. I don't know who to blame actually, because I got love for everybody making money and doing something positive with it. I'm playing Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas right now and this debate on whether it was 2pac's fault for destroying hip hop (I have to laugh at that quote. Its one of the most ignorant things I've heard all day) is disturbing my time trying to kill Ryder in the pier. My friend needed help doing it. So ya'll think about what I said, and look between the lines. Peace.

 

[2Pac_Forever_1]

The fact that Melle Mel is a "Founding father of Hip-Hop" doesn't really mean shit to a grown ass man especially when you're disrespecting that man, one of the first to ever do it or not you can't go around talking shit about someone and expect the person you're blasting off towards not to respond cuz shit we're all humans before anything, Melle Mel's a man Pac's was a man not he's a spirit, which brings up another point why do people choose to diss the dead if Melle did say that shit that's straight pussy after the man's been gone for damn-near a decade he wasn't popping that shit when the man was alive! Furthermore, when it comes down to disrespecting a man and what he stands for whether it's positive or negative, U better be prepared to handle that shit, besides niggaz rather thugs nowadays chose to mimic what Pac did back then they chose to adopt the lifestyle, fuck that Hip-Hop founding father that's cool shit great cuz we've been blessed with the genre which is beautiful, but to diss a man means U better be prepared to suffer the consequences if that's what it comes down to, or shut your fuckin' mouth!

 

[Kadafi Son]

The fact that Melle Mel is a "Founding father of Hip-Hop" doesn't really mean shit to a grown ass man especially when you're disrespecting that man, one of the first to ever do it or not you can't go around talking shit about someone and expect the person you're blasting off towards not to respond cuz shit we're all humans before anything, Melle Mel's a man Pac's was a man not he's a spirit, which brings up another point why do people choose to diss the dead if Melle did say that shit that's straight pussy after the man's been gone for damn-near a decade he wasn't popping that shit when the man was alive! Furthermore, when it comes down to disrespecting a man and what he stands for whether it's positive or negative, U better be prepared to handle that shit, besides niggaz rather thugs nowadays chose to mimic what Pac did back then they chose to adopt the lifestyle, fuck that Hip-Hop founding father that's cool shit great cuz we've been blessed with the genre which is beautiful, but to diss a man means U better be prepared to suffer the consequences if that's what it comes down to, or shut your fuckin' mouth!

LOL^^^Pretty angry there, but that's true though.

 

[Rain244]

why is that anyone who has mad love for someone has to be a dickrider? Fuck i just don't understand why people are labeled dick riders cause they like Pac. If u get a hard on figuring out who Pac dickriders are then you no longer need to find a cure for ur impotence cause most of us are Pac dickriders if by ur criteria it means we respect Pacs work and bump his music. Peace and may a dick be down ur throat always.

 

[EDouble]

i agree with melly mel. 2pac did bring that 'fuck everybody' im a thug' image into hiphop and commercialized the shit out of it and now everyone goin around bitin off the same image. so i think 2pac had alot to do with the death of hip hop, which wasnt about money or how much of a thug you are. what? 2pac didnt rap about making money or being rich??

you Could argue this as true and somebody Could hold up these opinions on the shit but god damn its like both sides in this argument gives a fuck past the outer edges. 'pac brought negative, u cant deny' 'NO, PAC BROUGHT POSITIVE, LOOK' 'look, melle mel is a pioneer listen to him.' "FUCK THAT FAGGOT MELLE WHY WOULD HE SAY THIS WHEN HE WAS FEATURED ON 'ONE NATION, HE KNOW NOTHIN "

its like nobody is mentally fukin prepared to comprehend a full picture of anythin


but shit...as for that what u said Kingdizzy..... u could argue that like i said, just like another could argue bout 'PAC BROUGHT ALL POSITIVE'. but it seem wats lost is that u could argue more that, pac diein had alot to do with the "death of hip hop." so some other shit seem to get crossed out

Pac of course has sum influence on lot of these fools out here good bad etc. mostly they try to potray by pursuing the negative aspects.
but its the same shit with anythin lol.

But anyway with, what melle mel sayin hes sayin he cant be considered one of the greatest cause of all these thug rappers with negative mentalities runnin around. which is clearly a smart assesment with a solid point

 

[GhostOfRazgriz]

i somewhat agree with points from both arguments but i mean comeone do u want pac to lie and make songs about how good life is and how everything is great. cmon now.