Life & Rymes :50 cent Talks about pac n biggie

#1
I was just watching Life & Rhymes: 50 cent on MTV and of course 50 is promoting his new movie and in 1 part he mentions 2 rappers..Biggie and 2pac. He explained how they both talked about death so much, from Biggies Ready 2 die - life after death - Born again , to how 2pac always rapped about death or how he would speak as he was dead. What I noticed is when he said pacs name the crowd went wild, 50 tried talking over their roars .The he said something in the lines of “I wants to talk about Birthdays instead of death, that’s why he made” in da club.”

It was strange when Baggie’s name was said, no 1 really said anything but when 2pac was said , every1 went crazy .The fact it was taking place in NY , and most of the audience was a NY native.

2 me it showed how much luv ppl have 4 2pac especially in a NY and watching 50s lame performance and his little skits made me wish 2pac was here even more , and how much the rap game seems to be lacking these days…

just my 2 cents
 
#3
well i remember watching an interview where they called him the next pac and he denied it. He said there will never be anyone as great as pac was.


Tupac Tha Great said:
I bet 50,in his own thick little mind,thinks he is better than Pac and Biggie.
 

Shot 21

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#6
When I read the title I expected:

"I feel Tupac & Biggie are nearly on the same level as me. I mean they didnt sell 1.1 million in a short week like me, but if they was still around then I think they would have been so much more succesful because of me. We could have all hooked up and made the best track of their lives."
 
#7
Shot 21 I'm laughing my ass off at your post. That sums up what I think of 50 cent, he attributes the success of everyone else in the game to him...

as for this thread, I think it's safe to say that NYC has got more love for Biggie than 2Pac, no doubt about that. If you've ever been to the Bronx, Harlem, Brooklyn, even Queens and spoken to the cats their you'd know that.

Nonetheless, 2Pac still has a huge NY following. A real testament to his achievements in my opinion even though he dissed what was effectively the golden boy of the East at the time.
 
#8
mc_millionaire said:
Shot 21 I'm laughing my ass off at your post. That sums up what I think of 50 cent, he attributes the success of everyone else in the game to him...

as for this thread, I think it's safe to say that NYC has got more love for Biggie than 2Pac, no doubt about that. If you've ever been to the Bronx, Harlem, Brooklyn, even Queens and spoken to the cats their you'd know that.

Nonetheless, 2Pac still has a huge NY following. A real testament to his achievements in my opinion even though he dissed what was effectively the golden boy of the East at the time.

I doubt that. If you said that the NY music scene/industry/radio /dj's had more love for Biggie than Pac, I would believe it, but I don't necessarily believe the people of NY like Biggie more than Pac. The only place Biggie would get more points is in Brooklyn. I say this because I've spoken to cats in Harlem, Yonkers, & Bronx that feel 2pac to death. I remember there use to be a request show on Hot 97 before Angie Martinez had her baby and the listeners were able to call up and give out requests. And almost every single day Pac was always 1-3 out of the requests for the day. So what you say is arguable. Look at dipset, Juelz Santana, Jim Jones, and even Ja Rule. All of those mc's are straight NY mc's, but they feel Pac just as much as all the forum members on here.

Hey Shot 21, your 50 cent comment was hilarious.!!
 
#10
Hituup said:
I doubt that. If you said that the NY music scene/industry/radio /dj's had more love for Biggie than Pac, I would believe it, but I don't necessarily believe the people of NY like Biggie more than Pac. The only place Biggie would get more points is in Brooklyn. I say this because I've spoken to cats in Harlem, Yonkers, & Bronx that feel 2pac to death. I remember there use to be a request show on Hot 97 before Angie Martinez had her baby and the listeners were able to call up and give out requests. And almost every single day Pac was always 1-3 out of the requests for the day. So what you say is arguable. Look at dipset, Juelz Santana, Jim Jones, and even Ja Rule. All of those mc's are straight NY mc's, but they feel Pac just as much as all the forum members on here.

Hey Shot 21, your 50 cent comment was hilarious.!!
There was also a poll on Hot 97 which took place on Angie Martinez's show in which Biggie was named the greatest of all time above every other artist in the game. A poll which was voted for by predominantly NY cats.

Considering Pac has a bigger body of work with more radio friendly singles (Juicy, Hypnotise excluded) and has had a more prominent and lengthy run in the public eye since his death (posthumous releases, Dvd's, clothes, you named it) it's inevitable he would occupy the helm of any self respecting hip hop request slot on any coast. This does not constitute "points".

In addition to that I remember reading an article a while back from which I annoyingly can't remember the source which cited Biggie had the bigger bi coastal permeation ie- He sold more in LA than Pac did in NY.

Juelz Santana gives props to every dead artist.
Jim Jones is named after a cult leader who orchestrated a mass suicide in 1978 / 79.
Ja Rule - well, do I even need to address this one?
 
#11
mc_millionaire said:
There was also a poll on Hot 97 which took place on Angie Martinez's show in which Biggie was named the greatest of all time above every other artist in the game. A poll which was voted for by predominantly NY cats.

Considering Pac has a bigger body of work with more radio friendly singles (Juicy, Hypnotise excluded) and has had a more prominent and lengthy run in the public eye since his death (posthumous releases, Dvd's, clothes, you named it) it's inevitable he would occupy the helm of any self respecting hip hop request slot on any coast. This does not constitute "points".

In addition to that I remember reading an article a while back from which I annoyingly can't remember the source which cited Biggie had the bigger bi coastal permeation ie- He sold more in LA than Pac did in NY.

Juelz Santana gives props to every dead artist.
Jim Jones is named after a cult leader who orchestrated a mass suicide in 1978 / 79.
Ja Rule - well, do I even need to address this one?

I agree with you to some point. But the majority of people who voted are probably some Hot 97 hardcore listeners. And Hot 97 is a station that worships B.I.G. So if an everyday listener is being told everyday by Funk Flex or someone dj at that station that B.I.G. is the greatest of all time and playing his hits non-stop, of course the listeners would think that and vote for him in a poll. And I don't believe no Hot 97 poll anyway. Anything involving that station is full of scams. Personally, I think if every single person in NY that listened to Biggie and 2pac were asked this question, I think Pac would win. You've got to remember that a Hot 97 poll doesn't reflect everyone's opinion living in NY. And neither does "The Source", whether now or then. The poll may only reflect what those that listen to the station think.

FYI: Listeners were calling up requesting some non-single songs as well. Biggie was rarely requested. That's why I believe what I believe.
 
#12
Hituup said:
I agree with you to some point. But the majority of people who voted are probably some Hot 97 hardcore listeners. And Hot 97 is a station that worships B.I.G. So if an everyday listener is being told everyday by Funk Flex or someone dj at that station that B.I.G. is the greatest of all time and playing his hits non-stop, of course the listeners would think that and vote for him in a poll. And I don't believe no Hot 97 poll anyway. Anything involving that station is full of scams. Personally, I think if every single person in NY that listened to Biggie and 2pac were asked this question, I think Pac would win. You've got to remember that a Hot 97 poll doesn't reflect everyone's opinion living in NY. And neither does "The Source", whether now or then. The poll may only reflect what those that listen to the station think.

FYI: Listeners were calling up requesting some non-single songs as well. Biggie was rarely requested. That's why I believe what I believe.
I never mentioned ‘The Source magazine'; I merely said that I couldn't cite the source for the article I read. As a matter of fact, it was actually a well respected publication which I believe doesn‘t specialise in hip hop which would make it even more credible.

Nonetheless, your welcome to your opinion but it’s been refuted time and time again since the passing of both artists which makes it slightly ludicrous to me. If we examine hip hop as a genre, I think it’s safe to say that Biggie is generally considered to be the ‘G.O.A.T’ by most well respected hip hop academics. Now you can disagree with this as much as you like (I don’t want to start up a Pac vs. Biggie) thread.

Moreover my observation stems from listening to the majority of well respected hip hop stations on the East Coast; like it or not whilst Hot 97 does not represent the entire opinions of everyone in New York it’s still the market leader and has a bigger hip hop listening base on the East Coast than any other station.

Additionally, the majority of common listeners will make up their own minds about who they like better and will not be influenced by the likes of Flex shouting out BIG ONCE in a while. In saying that Biggie rarely got requested on Angie's show is contradicting your own arguement about everyone on HOT 97 trying to influience the fans anyway - the same people that listen to Angie also listen to Flex, Dayola etc...whats your point? they still voted Biggie as the greatest...requests mean nothing...like I said Biggie does not have a body of work comparable to Pac's and therefore no one is going to request songs they have heard a million times.

To be frank, It’s absolutely astonishing you still think NYC has more love for 2Pac than Biggie when there is so much evidence to suggest otherwise.
 
#13
mc_millionaire said:
I never mentioned ‘The Source magazine'; I merely said that I couldn't cite the source for the article I read. As a matter of fact, it was actually a well respected publication which I believe doesn‘t specialise in hip hop which would make it even more credible.

Nonetheless, your welcome to your opinion but it’s been refuted time and time again since the passing of both artists which makes it slightly ludicrous to me. If we examine hip hop as a genre, I think it’s safe to say that Biggie is generally considered to be the ‘G.O.A.T’ by most well respected hip hop academics. Now you can disagree with this as much as you like (I don’t want to start up a Pac vs. Biggie) thread.

Moreover my observation stems from listening to the majority of well respected hip hop stations on the East Coast; like it or not whilst Hot 97 does not represent the entire opinions of everyone in New York it’s still the market leader and has a bigger hip hop listening base on the East Coast than any other station.

Additionally, the majority of common listeners will make up their own minds about who they like better and will not be influenced by the likes of Flex shouting out BIG ONCE in a while. In saying that Biggie rarely got requested on Angie's show is contradicting your own arguement about everyone on HOT 97 trying to influience the fans anyway - the same people that listen to Angie also listen to Flex, Dayola etc...whats your point? they still voted Biggie as the greatest...requests mean nothing...like I said Biggie does not have a body of work comparable to Pac's and therefore no one is going to request songs they have heard a million times.

To be frank, It’s absolutely astonishing you still think NYC has more love for 2Pac than Biggie when there is so much evidence to suggest otherwise.
Okay first of all, how do you know the listeners will make up their mind on their own and are strong enough not to be influenced? Are you assuming that everyone in New York or everyone who listens to the station is a hip hop head. How do you know that the majority of the people that listen to the show aren't just some working class females who probably are more into r n' b that just happen to listen to the show on their way to and from work. I bet you those that voted just went on the site for some prizes and then made a vote on there way out or something. From observations, people that mostly listen to Hot 97 are casual female fans of rap music.

If I didn't know anything or too much about basketball and if I was to turn to a sports radio show that was the biggest radio sports show on the coast and then having to listen to the hosts of that station constantly talking about Jordan's stats and then hearing them say that Micheal Jordan is the greatest, I'm sure I will probably believe it. So my point is if you are not into hip hop as much as you are into another musical genre and you listen to Hot 97 on a common basis, then you'd believe what they say because like you said that station is the market leader and has the biggest hip hop base on the Eastcoasts.

I'm very sure that not everyone that listens to the station is into hip hop. So when Funk Flex is playing some of Biggie's dopest freestyles for about a half an hour up to an hour and saying " New York, put your lighters up for the greatest of all time", you best believe that this listener who doesn't know any better will believe that hype.

You have to remember also that plenty of true hip hop heads do not listen to hot 97 or the radio period. You'd be surprised how many people in NY hoods that buy all the mixtapes, bootlegs, and buy cd's do not listen to the radio. Yet alone participate in radio surveys or anything like that because plenty of people believe that Hot 97 is shady and promotes trash rap music. And then you also have to ask yourself this question about how many people in the NY hoods that probably are true hip hop heads voted on this poll. How many people in NY urban communities even have the internet or better yet computers to even go online and vote. In fact, How many people even knew about this poll? Like I said, everyone in NY didn't vote, so you can't just automatically assume that the majority of people out there like Pac less than Biggie. From about 97-98,people in NYC were eating up those Makaveli bootlegs on the street. So this is on a large scale.

You can't just sit up here and say well Hot 97 listeners, who mostly reside in NY voted for Biggie as the greatest, so most people in NY agree that Biggie is the greatest-That's the wrong concept you got.

I'm not arguing that NYC got more love for 2pac than Biggie, but my argument is that you shouldn't be so sure just because of a poll. A poll that is not even New York alone. Hot 97 listeners are in Connecticut, New Jersey, and New York, and I think some parts of Philly, so don't be so sure.
 
#14
I don't know, but this is sort of a hard question about whether NY loves 2Pac more or as much as Biggie? I sorta agree with hitup. 2Pac's fanbase is no joke. His fanbase is huge. I've met alot of people in NY that say well 2Pac is Brooklyn, so I'm feeling him or 2Pac lived in Harlem. Or even sets in NY try to claim Pac, well Pac was blood and down for him, so we feel him more, or 2pac be shouting out crips so we love him. I remember when Jay-Z had came out with Bonnie & Clyde 03' and received such a negative reaction from the Hot 97 fans that Angie had to try to take up for him on his behalf. I remember listeners calling up and bashing Jay-Z up and down for sampling 2pac's song. I also remember when the LA times article came up about Biggie setting up 2pac and many of the listeners called up to the station very emotional and started dissing Biggie over the airwaves. People call up the station confronting the dj's for some time about the biggie glorification and the lack of Pac on the air. Listeners get really heated sometimes. There are plenty of more instances that make me think the peeps in NY like Pac better. The radio lineup and DJ's may be the only think that may shift casual rap listeners to think otherwise, apart from that people feel pac. Just because ny is biggies territory some will think straight forward and say biggie has the fans on lock out there, but thats not the case. I also remember that requests show that was on the air too. cats was calling up like they knew pac and shouting him out like "yo I wanna hear some westide outlaw from my nigga pac". I was so shocked I said to myself, "it's hardcore pac fans everywhere." Angie had even said pac was the most requested for that show. It's very questionable, but I wouldn't be surprised if 2pac was to win the state of ny in a presidential type election poll against biggie by about 600-4000 more votes.
 

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