I think, why do Tupac fans put resistance on the opinions of other Pac fans, and their critical opinions? Calling me crazy, a lunatic etc ... If I am crazy then so is Pac. Pac wasn't crazy, he was insanely educated. As a Pac fan, calling me crazy when don't you apply critical analysis to his works to the same extent. One Tupac quote comes to mind here he said "People will know and understand what I was talking about in my death." He is saying that you are playing catch up.
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The chorus of the song goes:
I won't deny it I'm a straight ridah
You don't wanna fuck with me
Got the police busting at me
But they can't do nothin to a G
Even if "ridah" by some miraculous fuck-up was meant to allude to Tupac's poetic abilities, the rest of the chorus seems to have nothing to do with it. For one, no one uses writing to fuck with another writer in the sense that "you don't wanna fuck with me", "bustin at me" and "can't do nothin to a g" implies. Furthermore, the latter two lines when seen in context confirms that he is talking about being a rider, and not a writer. Why would the police go after a writer? And what about being a writer enables Tupac to not be phased when they attempt to bust on him? To flip the question around, does it not seem to make a lot more sense that the reason why the police can't bust on Tupac is that he is a ridah, not a writer, and that a ridah has the necessary skill sets to survive a police encounter (considering a "ridah" is a down ass motherfucker)?
I took this from urban dictionary:
1. rider
a straight up, easy going, dont give a fuck about what you think type a person.
2. rider
person whos down with their crew gets in on the action just with no gang affiliation and is down for life.
Now pardon my source as I make my point. Throughout the song, Tupac makes references to having battle scars, being rugged and raw, not giving a fuck about anybody cause that's what the public loves, having lots of wealth, frequently smoking weed and having sex, it being on because he said so, making a million, spitting at adversaries, rather dying before being caught by the police, fuck peace and the police, dying like a man when it's time to go, staying off the block and evading cops. He ends his last verse saying he's gonna get revenge on everyone that played him during the trial period, and everybody who was down with anybody who tried to play him. I ask of you, brother, how you can make any of these things out to support your theory that Tupac is rapping about being a great poet? To me, it sounds much more like he's trying to preach about how to keep your mind straight in the game. His verses end with "now you got me right beside you, hoping you're listening, i got you paying attention to my ambitions as a ridah. So he's suggesting he's reading over your words and making sure your poetry is strong? How do any of these qualities or actions that Tupac describe in his verses work in a writer/poet's favor, in the context of how good his writing is and how he can improve it? How is the fact that Pac doesn't give a fuck about the police a good argument for why you should pay attention to his ambitions as a writer?
I won't deny it I'm a straight ridah
You don't wanna fuck with me
Got the police busting at me
But they can't do nothin to a G
Even if "ridah" by some miraculous fuck-up was meant to allude to Tupac's poetic abilities, the rest of the chorus seems to have nothing to do with it. For one, no one uses writing to fuck with another writer in the sense that "you don't wanna fuck with me", "bustin at me" and "can't do nothin to a g" implies. Furthermore, the latter two lines when seen in context confirms that he is talking about being a rider, and not a writer. Why would the police go after a writer? And what about being a writer enables Tupac to not be phased when they attempt to bust on him? To flip the question around, does it not seem to make a lot more sense that the reason why the police can't bust on Tupac is that he is a ridah, not a writer, and that a ridah has the necessary skill sets to survive a police encounter (considering a "ridah" is a down ass motherfucker)?
I took this from urban dictionary:
1. rider
a straight up, easy going, dont give a fuck about what you think type a person.
2. rider
person whos down with their crew gets in on the action just with no gang affiliation and is down for life.
Now pardon my source as I make my point. Throughout the song, Tupac makes references to having battle scars, being rugged and raw, not giving a fuck about anybody cause that's what the public loves, having lots of wealth, frequently smoking weed and having sex, it being on because he said so, making a million, spitting at adversaries, rather dying before being caught by the police, fuck peace and the police, dying like a man when it's time to go, staying off the block and evading cops. He ends his last verse saying he's gonna get revenge on everyone that played him during the trial period, and everybody who was down with anybody who tried to play him. I ask of you, brother, how you can make any of these things out to support your theory that Tupac is rapping about being a great poet? To me, it sounds much more like he's trying to preach about how to keep your mind straight in the game. His verses end with "now you got me right beside you, hoping you're listening, i got you paying attention to my ambitions as a ridah. So he's suggesting he's reading over your words and making sure your poetry is strong? How do any of these qualities or actions that Tupac describe in his verses work in a writer/poet's favor, in the context of how good his writing is and how he can improve it? How is the fact that Pac doesn't give a fuck about the police a good argument for why you should pay attention to his ambitions as a writer?
You can't listen to Pac in a 1 dimensional concept. That is not pac. Writers obey the rules of the law like anyone else. For writers there are few certain rules they must obey bye law, these rules are slander, libel, and copywright. Tupac obeyed these rules as a writer, and is exactly the reason why the cops couldn't motherfucking touch him as a writer bitch. Are you dumb or what? Tupac was a guerilla poet, hahahahahahah!
You are not analyzing his lyrics, you are looking beyond all the clues and hints that are actually there, basing your idea on what exactly? Cause what I'm thinking is that you feel like some golden child that's enlightened. If not, I'm curious to hear you explain why you are the only person on these boards who hears what you claim to be hearing. At that, it's pretty weak and inspiration-less to write poetry about your own poetry.
But go ahead and give me some of your own lyrical analysis. Don't just say that Pac is a guerilla poet, explain to me why I'm supposed to think you're right.
But go ahead and give me some of your own lyrical analysis. Don't just say that Pac is a guerilla poet, explain to me why I'm supposed to think you're right.
yeshua, you are not analyzing Pac's lyrics, you are making your own interpretation out of his lyrics. i'm not even saying you're wrong, who knows, maybe you're right, but all you have done is read his lyrics and jump to conclusions. there is absolutely nothing on the surface, or even under, of Ambitionz that indicates that he is talking about being a "writer" and everything indicates that he is talking about being a ridah, yet based on nothing but illogical conclusions you believe he is talking about poetry. and yes they are illogical conclusions since there really is no logic to your belief, for example, that when pac mentions the pen (the place he had just spent 11 months of his life in, by the way) he is actually talking about the pen he's writing with. again, i'm not even saying you're wrong, but there is nothing there at all to back up this belief, and all the lyrics in the song seem to back up the fact that he's talking about being a ridah and being revitalized in the game from just getting out of the penitentiary.
and your comment on the "laws" of being a writer make me laugh. did Pac really worry about slander? he slandered half the east coast for no reason other than that certain rappers chose Biggie's side of their beef. if this had been any other business but the rap game, Pac could have, and probably would've, been sued for that. so much for your theory on the "laws' of being a writer.
and seriously man, you need to drop this arrogant attitude you have, this attitude that YOU are the only one here who understood what Pac was really talking about. you are constantly making comments about how you are so far above everyone else here intellectually, but i have to question this supposed intellect, since anyone with a brain knows that people who try to act so arrogant like you are usually hated, because no one likes a know-it-all. and you seem so surprised and confused at where all this hate for you comes from. maybe if you stop talking down to people and acting like you are so much smarter than them, and dismissing anything anyone says that doesn't go along with your beliefs, maybe, just maybe people may have more respect for your opinions.
and your comment on the "laws" of being a writer make me laugh. did Pac really worry about slander? he slandered half the east coast for no reason other than that certain rappers chose Biggie's side of their beef. if this had been any other business but the rap game, Pac could have, and probably would've, been sued for that. so much for your theory on the "laws' of being a writer.
and seriously man, you need to drop this arrogant attitude you have, this attitude that YOU are the only one here who understood what Pac was really talking about. you are constantly making comments about how you are so far above everyone else here intellectually, but i have to question this supposed intellect, since anyone with a brain knows that people who try to act so arrogant like you are usually hated, because no one likes a know-it-all. and you seem so surprised and confused at where all this hate for you comes from. maybe if you stop talking down to people and acting like you are so much smarter than them, and dismissing anything anyone says that doesn't go along with your beliefs, maybe, just maybe people may have more respect for your opinions.
May I say that I am merely trying to put my point across and get some kind of affirmation. This is the only place that I can do, or try to do, that.
It sounds funny to me after what I've said for you to say 'tupac spent 11 months in the pen'. An ironic statement for a poet.
It is true what I said about writing/publication laws. I know of not one libel lawsuit that Tupac had undergone. Even Delores Tucker didn't succeed there. Yes, maybe he did slander people in his lyrics, but pac had reason to. Such a lawsuit wouldn't have stopped Pac anyway, not where freedom of speech is concerned. Who knows, maybe the eastcoast/westcoast fued could have been solved by lawsuits, but that is not what happened. Because people was buying into all the hype.
I'm not asking for my opinions to be respected, or maybe I am in some kind of way, indirectly. I would like to be able to relate to other Pac fans on the same level as me, but even that ain't easy. I am arrogant in my opinions, but that is just me, don't take it personally. I'm here to talk about the man, not the man talking about man. As for my intellect, I share any knowledge that I have. I don't try to put other people down, but I hate being confronted with ignorance. Like an ignorant child will get beat down by his father until he learns the appropriate lesson, that is a lesson I have learned myself. So you can see my perspective. I have listened to Tupac for twelve years dayin/dayout, I know what I am talking about. He is my #1 artist. And being called crazy, or an idiot for talking about a passion that I have will be met with the total of my arrogance. So don't tell me to shut the fuck up when I am talking about Tupac, because in all honesty I can probably relate to the man more than you. I have something in common with Tupac.
It sounds funny to me after what I've said for you to say 'tupac spent 11 months in the pen'. An ironic statement for a poet.
It is true what I said about writing/publication laws. I know of not one libel lawsuit that Tupac had undergone. Even Delores Tucker didn't succeed there. Yes, maybe he did slander people in his lyrics, but pac had reason to. Such a lawsuit wouldn't have stopped Pac anyway, not where freedom of speech is concerned. Who knows, maybe the eastcoast/westcoast fued could have been solved by lawsuits, but that is not what happened. Because people was buying into all the hype.
I'm not asking for my opinions to be respected, or maybe I am in some kind of way, indirectly. I would like to be able to relate to other Pac fans on the same level as me, but even that ain't easy. I am arrogant in my opinions, but that is just me, don't take it personally. I'm here to talk about the man, not the man talking about man. As for my intellect, I share any knowledge that I have. I don't try to put other people down, but I hate being confronted with ignorance. Like an ignorant child will get beat down by his father until he learns the appropriate lesson, that is a lesson I have learned myself. So you can see my perspective. I have listened to Tupac for twelve years dayin/dayout, I know what I am talking about. He is my #1 artist. And being called crazy, or an idiot for talking about a passion that I have will be met with the total of my arrogance. So don't tell me to shut the fuck up when I am talking about Tupac, because in all honesty I can probably relate to the man more than you. I have something in common with Tupac.
lol man you missed the entire point of what i was saying. the thing is you act like you KNOW what Pac was talking about when he says this and that. you don't act as if these are things you just think, or believe, or that this is your opinion. you act like you know for a fact that Pac really was talking about being a poet on Ridah and had nothing to do with what the lyrics are obviously saying. i mean, were you there with Pac when he wrote the song? did he break down the meaning of the song and all the lyrics to you? because if not, then you really don't know any more than anyone else here, no matter how much you like to think you do. is your belief possible? yes. the thing about words and sentences, regardless of who said them, is that they can usually be interpreted in many ways. the Bible (or any religious book for that matter) is a perfect example of this. but what you believe is just that, your belief. it is not a fact that can't be disputed, it is just your belief of what you think Pac meant on this song. but as soon as anyone points out a different opinion on it, you try to tell them they're wrong. no they are not, they just see the song differently. so stop getting all twisted because people don't see it the way you do.
the only reason why C. Delores Tucker had her libel lawsuit against Pac dismissed is that she tried to sue him for something that had nothing to do with her. she sued because she believed that the song Wonda Y They Call U Bytch was about her, when it was not. if the song had been about her, she would have won. it's funny tho how you say Pac followed the rules of a "writer" in one post, and then in another you said that even if he was sued it wouldn't have stopped him. well if that's the case, then he wouldn't be following those rules very well now would he?
honestly Yeshua, i feel what you're saying about how people always want to see him with the thug image. but HE WAS A THUG. he lived that lifestyle. he was more than that, but you can't just take that part of him away, it's a huge part of who he was. even if you want to talk of him being a writer, what was his main topic of choice to write about? being a thug, living the thug life. you can't separate that part of his image from the rest of him. to me that is just as wrong as the people who only look at the thug side of him and try to portray him as a no good criminal. Pac had many sides to him, and all of those sides made up who he was. to try to take one of those sides of him away is doing him an injustice in my view.
honestly Yeshua, i feel what you're saying about how people always want to see him with the thug image. but HE WAS A THUG. he lived that lifestyle. he was more than that, but you can't just take that part of him away, it's a huge part of who he was. even if you want to talk of him being a writer, what was his main topic of choice to write about? being a thug, living the thug life. you can't separate that part of his image from the rest of him. to me that is just as wrong as the people who only look at the thug side of him and try to portray him as a no good criminal. Pac had many sides to him, and all of those sides made up who he was. to try to take one of those sides of him away is doing him an injustice in my view.
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