Gunman in Germany kills 16 in School

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"WINNENDEN, Germany (CNN) -- A gunman dressed in military gear killed 16 people Wednesday in a shooting spree in Germany before he was shot dead by police, police spokesman Rainer Kloeller told CNN.


Police and medics accompany people, believed to be relatives of school children, away from the school.

Tim Kretschmer, 17, began his rampage at a school where he used to be a student in Winnenden, a small town about 20 kilometers (12 miles) northeast of Stuttgart, said KIoeller, of the police in the nearby town of Waiblingen.

"The suspect broke into the school. He went into the classroom and shot wildly around himself and left the building and fled on foot," Hans Ulrich Stuiber, another police spokesman, said.

Three teachers and 10 students were killed at the Albertville-Realschule Winnenden school, Kloeller said. The shooting, which began around 9:45 a.m. (4:45 a.m. EDT), lasted about two minutes, police said. Kretschmer fired shots into three classrooms, Kloeller said.

On his way out of the school, the gunman killed a person who was working in a hospital nearby, then hijacked a car, taking the driver hostage.

He drove to the nearby town of Wendlingen, where he let the driver go, Kloeller said. The driver alerted the police.
Kretschmer was spotted by police in Wendlingen at around 12:20 p.m. (7:20 a.m. EDT) and shot two of them, injuring them. He then killed two more people before being killed himself in a shootout with police, authorities said

Kretschmer was on the loose for three and a half hours after the incident began, police said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it was "inconceivable that within seconds school students and teachers have been put to death by this terrible crime."

"It is a day of mourning for the whole of Germany," she said in a televised statement.

Police did not know the motive for the shooting spree, CNN's Frederik Pleitgen reported from Winnenden.


"No one seems to have an explanation for why this happened," he said. "Police officers have heard that this young man didn't cause much of a buzz, wasn't someone who was negative or known for violence. They have no idea why he did all this."

Police raided his parents' home later and found they had a sizable collection of guns, at least one of which was used in the killings, authorities said. German gun laws are fairly restrictive and require owners to control access to them. Do you think the gun control issue is taken seriously enough?

At least seven people were injured in the shootings -- five people in Winnenden and two police officers in Wendlingen -- police spokeswoman Renate Roesch added. She was unable to say how serious the injuries were.

Six teenagers from the from the school shooting were transported to the Waiblingen hospital with undisclosed injuries.

One of those patients has already been released from the hospital, according to a hospital spokeswoman. The families of the dead have been informed and are receiving counseling, Roesch said.

About 1,000 students attend the school where the killings began.

Authorities sealed off the town of Winnenden and launched an intense manhunt for the gunman after the school shootings. Police said the man was about 1.80m (5'11") and heavily armed.

"It is a small town, an idyllic town," said Frank Nipkau, the editor in chief of Winnenden Zeitung newspaper. "The town people are devastated and they can't understand why this is happening in this town."

Security at German schools has been an issue in the past.

In November 2006, an 18-year-old former student strapped explosives to his body and went on a rampage at a middle school in western Germany, shooting and wounding six people -- most of them students -- before killing himself.

In July 2003, a 16-year-old student shot a teacher before taking his own life at a school in the southern German town of Coburg.

A year earlier, 18 people were killed when an expelled student went on a shooting spree at his school in eastern Germany.


Another European country, Finland, is planning to toughen firearm laws after two school shootings there left 20 people dead. Those incidents occurred in November 2007 and September 2008.

Finnish news reports on Wednesday said an Interior Ministry working group has issued a proposal calling for age 20 as the minimum age for handgun ownership and 18 as the minimum for rifles. The proposal will be circulated among legislators."

R.I.P. to all the victims. my thoughts and prayers go out to their family and friends.
 

S O F I

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#4
^This is my perspective:

Most public and school shootings, more specifically, end with the gunman killing himself. Many people see that as cowardice, as inability to face your actions and taking the easy way out.

This guy was like "fuck that, I'm not giving up until you kill me."


A shoot-out with cops is gangster.
 

Duke

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Police raided his parents' home later and found they had a sizable collection of guns, at least one of which was used in the killings, authorities said. German gun laws are fairly restrictive and require owners to control access to them. Do you think the gun control issue is taken seriously enough?

Ho hum...
 

Jokerman

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#6
Police raided the homes of 30 million Americans who have never committed a crime and found they had a sizable collection of guns (read: more than one). You draw your own conclusions.
 

ARon

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^This is my perspective:

Most public and school shootings, more specifically, end with the gunman killing himself. Many people see that as cowardice, as inability to face your actions and taking the easy way out.

This guy was like "fuck that, I'm not giving up until you kill me."


A shoot-out with cops is gangster.

What if its one of those suicide by police things, not gangster.
 

Jokerman

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This guy was like "fuck that, I'm not giving up until you kill me."
The latest: "It was not clear if he died from injuries received in the police shootout or if he committed suicide. Regional police chief Erwin Hetger said police thought he had killed himself."

No gangsta. Just another pathetic loser. Most of his victims were female. He knew that school was full of female students. Let me guess: he had no luck with women.
 

S O F I

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#9
What if its one of those suicide by police things, not gangster.
I can see how suicide can be both taking your own life AND putting yourself in a position where your life will be taken. However, I would personally draw the line and say that even if you know you're going to get killed in a gun battle, you are not committing suicide by engaging in it.

However, if you decide to strap yourself to the train tracks, it's suicide.

The latest: "It was not clear if he died from injuries received in the police shootout or if he committed suicide. Regional police chief Erwin Hetger said police thought he had killed himself."

No gangsta. Just another pathetic loser. Most of his victims were female. He knew that school was full of female students. Let me guess: he had no luck with women.
appreciate the info.
 

Duke

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Police raided the homes of 30 million Americans who have never committed a crime and found they had a sizable collection of guns (read: more than one). You draw your own conclusions.

You show me the latest high school massacre by a crazy student using a knife, or a car or a sack of potatoes for all I care.

There aren't any. You're not gonna be able to kill 17 people with a K-Bar.


This is an inherent risk of irresponsible people having firearms around the house. You seem to be okay with this. Fine, your choice. But don't act like this German emo kid would have been able to do this if his parents didn't have a cabinet full of killing tools.
 

Duke

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BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Seven dead in Tokyo knife attack

Balowww. Hi Dukie.

Not 17 but close enough. Not as precise or speedy but it happens. I get tired of life but I'm not going down like that. I'm going to rat-ta-ta-ta-tat-tat his ass, and yes he deserved to die, and I hope he burns in hell!!!

It's not the same. That's a totally deranged adult, not a bullied and depressed teenager trying to wipe out their high school.

Also, when Japanese people go psycho, it's on. Imagine what havoc they could've wreaked if they had guns :)
 

S. Fourteen

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There are lot of talks in Japan right now about bullying in schools and it might be the case that this Japanese guy was a product of his environment - either way, his action added more fuel to the debate. Society creates people that don't fit it, and people that don't fit in get bullied as a child, and he turns out to be a loner otaku type that sits at home all day and get tired of life.

As far as Japan goes - people were wrecking havoc with katana swards 100s of years ago. Human nature maybe?

Dear Mr. President - taking away my gun doesn't solve anything.

Thank you,
and have a good night.
 

ARon

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#18
You show me the latest high school massacre by a crazy student using a knife, or a car or a sack of potatoes for all I care.
What about fist fights and things like that that happen numerous times daily. It doesnt sound as cool as school massacre but the violence still happens, a lot more frequently too. The problem is beyond which weapons are being used. Getting rid of guns is like using duct tape on a broken airplane wing or some shit
 

Flipmo

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Japan is an overworked and over stimulated society. They're machines, they pull 60 hour weeks like its normal. They taught to produce, produce, produce. Careers and professions come first everything else is 2nd. Their population currently is decreasing cause women aren't having kids anymore. I saw a documentary, and they asked some women; 'Why don't you want to have kids?' She'd reply with: 'Because my career is the most important thing to me, having children is weird anything, I don't want something coming out of me. It's horrible'

And usually the other women asked went along the same lines. A lot of them see love and having children as something unnatural.

So when you can a Japanese man going ape shit on you, understand he hit his breaking point, and you should just run like a mother fucker.
 

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