Couple random thoughts... "What If's"

[Fataldawg]

Im bored as shit and after i read that Jay-Z article I posted before I started thinking about a few things..

1. Would the South be on top like it is today if Pac didnt die?

After Pac passed Master P started his comeup.. I remember the first time I really heard of his music was when he had a video "If Theres A Heaven For A Gangsta" that was on the Rhyme And Reason Soundtrack.. Im 99% sure it was No Limits 1st major video on a major channel (MTV) and basically in the vid it had a guy (maybe master p, long ago so i cant remember correctly) wearin a bandanna and the track was about the dead..

I know Master P had already sold alot of units for his Ice Cream Album but would he have been on top of the mainstream if he didnt have Pacs style to use? Chances are that vid and song would never have been recorded so would he have gotten his chance at a spot on MTV? And of course as everyone knows, No Limit blew the fuck up in the next 2-3 years changing the game which caused other small independant labels like Cash Money to get a piece of the pie.. which snowballed basically into what it is today.

So basically, If Pac hadnt died, Master P never would have came out with that video and song and I doubt he would have took Pacs style imo. Especially with Hit Em Up released, I doubt P or C-Murder would have attempted jackin his flow knowin that Pac would have smashed them for doing so.

2. Would Pac have "won" the East/West war?

When Pac passed he had some of the greatest MC's pissed... Big, Nas, Jigga, etc.. If Pac was alive when the Makaveli album was released how would everyone have reacted to "Against All Odds"?
Of course, since Pac DID pass most of the rappers named in that song dont talk horrible about pac in interviews and such in respect to Pac's death, but if he didnt die, what would they have done? Could we have seen some crazy battle record with Nas, Jay, and B.I.G spittin over a Premier beat answering to Hit Em Up? I think we could have seen another 1 or 2 great battle songs from both sides.

I know Pac had the 1 Nation album going on, but even if it was released it probaly wouldnt have been out till late '97 or so the earliest, and by then all the big name east coast heavy hitters would have had their diss songs recorded and probaly released. Plus the Outlawz solo album probaly would have dropped with maybe songs like "All Out" or "Hell 4 A Hustler" that would have added even more fuel to the fire. Alot of West Coast artists would have come to Pacs defense too of course.

I honestly dont think Pac could have takin down BadBoy, as much as I would have loved to see him do it.. But I also dont think BadBoy could have "takin out" DR had pac stayed alive. With Mase's album, Puff's album (unfortunately) and Big's album dominating the radio waves 97 to 98 BadBoy still would have sold as many records as they did imo. In fact the east/west fued have probaly would have created maybe even higher sales for both DR and BB.

3. Had Pac lived I wonder what would have happened with the whole Snoop situation?

Would they have made up or started REALLY beefin? Unfortunately if they did start beefin, would DeathRow members back up Snoop or Pac? Both were Platinum artists and the bred-winners of the Row but with Snoop being there longer and having closer ties to Daz, Kurupt, and alot of other DR members, would they side with Pac over Snoop? Would this have caused DeathRow to "implode" upon itself with members choosing sides?

There really is no point to this post, I'm basically just sittin here thinking about "what would have happened".. Feel free to comment on your thoughts of what I typed or if you wondered about your own "what would have happened", go ahead and type it :thumb:

 

[Morris]

#1 - Is the South really on top? Also, I wouldn't say Master P totally jocked Pac's style: his shit isn't good enough to be considered a worthwhile biting.

#2 - Pac ended the beef with Nas, Against All Odds and Bomb First probably would have been different, and the West would have won the "war." Like he said, if it was a game of chess, the West would have been screaming checkmate 3 years earlier.

#3 - Who knows. Maybe another Dre situation. Maybe Snoop would have gotten his act together.

 

[ChubbyChu]

The south was already on the comeup. OutKast, Geto Boys, Scarface were already big back then. I don't think Tupac's death had any impact on that movement.

However, I know this opinion is probably going to be unpopular, but Pac's music probably would have started to fizzle out, similar to Snoop's. You can't be 25 forever. You can't honestly tell me that all unreleased/originals that he recorded on Death Row were really up to par to his previous albums.

 

[KO]

However, I know this opinion is probably going to be unpopular, but Pac's music probably would have started to fizzle out, similar to Snoop's. You can't be 25 forever. You can't honestly tell me that all unreleased/originals that he recorded on Death Row were really up to par to his previous albums.

I disagree with that so so, so much, I don't think i have ever come across anything I disagree with so much in my entire life lol


You cannot judge a man on what he DID NOT release, for alls we know, all of the unreleased tracks Pac left behind when he died, he could of thought they sucked and he might of never ever wanted them to see the light of day and thought they were simple studio scraps, im sure Jay Z, Nas, Biggie, 50, Eminem, The Game or any rapper you can name has unreleased tracks that they did not deem good enough for official release.


as for Pac "fizzling out" in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM would this of happened, he had legions of fans and his fanbase was growing, the Snoop Dogg comparison just doesnt slide, Snoop has nothing on Pac, we all know that, Snoop would probably even admit that, he doesnt have the charisma of Pac, he just ISNT what 2Pac was....2Pac has been dead 10 years and he still goes platinum with every release even though his albums have no promotion, no videos and are about half as good as the stuff he put out when he was alive, so are you seriously telling me that if Pac was alive to make his own videos, promote the album himself, it wouldnt sell, and he'd fizzle out? not a damn chance.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

1. It's hard to look this far into the future of an alternate timeline, but the South as hip-hop fans view it today is different from the South you speak of--the Dirty South. The Dirty South, specifically artists from No Limit and Cash Money, probably wouldn't have blown up the way they did. As aforementioned, a lot of No Limit's acts incorporated elements of Pac's style into their own music, perhaps too much. With No Limit specifically, it was at the point where it went beyond being influenced to straight up duplicating. This is clear without even listening to their albums, all you'd have to do is take a look at their album covers, read their album titles and check out a few song titles. Everybody's a don, a made nigga, a boss, a ridah, etc. And curiously, Master P puts out West Coast Bad Boyz, yet he's from New Orleans, clearly for marketing and publicity purposes. But they wouldn't have had their turn to shine (at least not to the level they did in 1998). The modern South probably still might've come out, but there's no way that they would've been as successful as they are today had Pac been alive.

2. I think Pac won the "war" before he died. First of all, Pac was incredibly influential and didn't just have the West Coast behind his back; he had a lot of people around the country supporting him as fans. And as it turned into more of a "war," Pac knew that he didn't want it to be about West versus East, so he started making alliances, with the One Nation project being one extension of it. Only his existing battles would've continued. And even if people dissed Pac, he could've easily convinced other Death Row artists or other allied rappers to rally alongside him and fight back.

3. Pac and Snoop would've squashed it. I'm sure somebody mutual at the time--whether Suge or Daz or whoever--would've sat them down and handled it.

 

[Fataldawg]

1. It's hard to look this far into the future of an alternate timeline, but the South as hip-hop fans view it today is different from the South you speak of--the Dirty South. The Dirty South, specifically artists from No Limit and Cash Money, probably wouldn't have blown up the way they did. As aforementioned, a lot of No Limit's acts incorporated elements of Pac's style into their own music, perhaps too much. With No Limit specifically, it was at the point where it went beyond being influenced to straight up duplicating. This is clear without even listening to their albums, all you'd have to do is take a look at their album covers, read their album titles and check out a few song titles. Everybody's a don, a made nigga, a boss, a ridah, etc. And curiously, Master P puts out West Coast Bad Boyz, yet he's from New Orleans, clearly for marketing and publicity purposes. But they wouldn't have had their turn to shine (at least not to the level they did in 1998). The modern South probably still might've come out, but there's no way that they would've been as successful as they are today had Pac been alive.

True. No Limit always bit ideas from Pac... Especially this one

I cant front though its not a bad album like 90% of there other stuff.

However, I know this opinion is probably going to be unpopular, but Pac's music probably would have started to fizzle out, similar to Snoop's. You can't be 25 forever. You can't honestly tell me that all unreleased/originals that he recorded on Death Row were really up to par to his previous albums.

I gotta disagree too. I think Pac woulda been at the same level Jay-Z is at now or even beyond. Yea he'd have alot of haters still from the east coast west shit but he'd still be on top of things one way or another. I doubt Makaveli Records or the Outlawz would have flopped... Plus Pac would be putting out his own new shit too.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

^ I actually mentioned that cover originally, but I took it out before I submitted my post since I didn't want to point out specific examples, because there would be too many.

 

[Euphanasia]

I know Pac had the 1 Nation album going on, but even if it was released it probaly wouldnt have been out till late '97 or so the earliest

I believe One Nation was going to drop before the end of 1996. I read somewhere that 'Pac wanted to hold the record for dropping 3 albums in the same year.

 

[critikaldesignz]

He influenced:

T.I.
Z-Ro
Trae
Scarface
Trick Daddy
Young Buck
Master P
Ludacris
Paul Wall
Lil Flip
Outkast
Young Jeezy
and more

 

[ThugPound]

its hard 2 say what would happen in da future
But 4 me its looks like snoop n pac could work it out
i think both snoop n dre was more pissed of cuz suge was ridin wit pac and was always on his side witch turned 2 be true
pac was the light of deathrow, he put them on the history

 

[BIG NASTY]

If pac would have lived, there would be no way in hell there would be BIG, Nas, and Jay on one track. BIG didn't like Nas (Kick In The Door) and didn't Nas & Jay already have somethin brewin together?

 

[underdog]

scarface influenced pac first, then pac influenced face

 

[Kadafi Son]

I like this pointless thread.

I remember when I first heard Master Ps "The Last Don" it looked and sounded like a generic version of All Eyes On Me. No Limit definately bit Pac's style (except for Silk Tha Shocker and Mystikal). But tha south back then is way different to modern day south I think. Even tha south from tha 90's wasn't all about "materialism". But modern day south is too simplified for my taste. (It hurts to say this in the words of 50 cent.) You could actually like southern music back then, even No Limit too an extend. Not today.

Pac won tha "war" when he dropped Hit Em Up. Nobody was sayin nuttin after that, and if they were, it was subliminal. It was just unfortunate people had to die for it stop. But I believe One Nation would've dropped late 96-early 97. After that, tha war by then probably would've died down a lil.

And Snoop & Pac would've definately ended wat ever problems they had. I think because Snoop, at that age, wasn't that big on dissin nodody like Pac was. But since Pac was about to finish up One Nation and work with New York artist, Pac and Snoop would've chilled out and have an understanding. I was just a matter of where DeathRow was goin' though. Pac said he wanted to lay off livin like a "ridah" and settle down. Thats tha same think Snoop is doin, but in some way, isn't makin' much since, but I know Pac would alway remain doin what he does best: influence and give back to communities...

 

[Mo_Murda]

Yeah good post, best "pointless post" i've read in a while..

For question no. 3, i believe Suge Knight would've sat back and watched them go at it, if the beefing got worse... there is only one thing Suge cares about and thats making money and the beef would've made him a ton of money.