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#21
^^ as far as i could understand, this discussion is cause u said that mob deep's survival the fittest was released after pac died.

Demari said:
he wasn't even alive when the song came out. where did you get this from??? he was probably mad at mobb deep because of their beef with the west
 

Mr.Deuce

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#23
Demari said:
jesus christ am i living in the fucking twilight zone here??
TRACK 3 IS SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST
he's talking about "it's mine" feat nas. which came out in 99 there tupac never heard it therefore all that bullshit he said was false

stop acting like you know
shut you stupid-shit-talking "wanna-be a fan"-idiot ass up

"THUG LIFE, WE STILL LIVIN`IT" (Survival Of The Fittest)
"THUG LIFE IS MINE" (It`s Mine)

*scarface accent* JOU GOT DAT,HUH?
 
#24
shutup you fag i was thinking of another song i just mis read it

it doesn't change the fact the other 90% of your points were RETARDED
 
#25
Oh dear...don't cha love it when people start making up shit with an ill founded basis?


Morris said:
Pac was dissing them because he felt they disrespected his crew at a Mobb Deep concert..
Wrong. Pac stated in the Street vibe publication that the beef about Mobb Deep came about because he had heard that they were responsible for encouraging the rumour that he got raped in jail and so took them to task about it.

Morris said:
Pac was mad at LL over a technical sound issue at an event. Also, LL's song was called I Shot Ya..
Wrong. This beef commenced when LL mentioned him on phenomenon and Pac (for no reason) took issue with it. Previous to this, there had been an altercation at a concert between the two but this got cleared up straight away and led to no animosity.


Morris said:
He also accused Biggie of taking his style.
Yep. You could be 90% deaf and know that this Pac observation was a little crazy.

Morris said:
Nas talked about leaving the hospital the same night after getting shot in The Message. Pac was dissing him for copying his style and wanting to be him..
Yep....but the beef got resolved before Pac passed.

Morris said:
Jay Z was obviously down with Biggie, thus Pac went at him. No mystery there..
Which is a contradictory move considering Pac had made such an issue about other people jumping into his beef when he maintained it was only between him and Biggie. By mentioning Nas, Jay Z et al it would look as though he was attempting to construct an East coast vs West Coast beef although I don't believe this was his intention.

Morris said:
Pac was mad at them because they were talking about shit that they knew nothing about. Pac wasn't going at Bad Boy because of an East Coast/West Coast thing. .
It was a crazy move to diss Da Brat and them in view of the fact that they hadn't warranted any dissing. Particularly the diss on Ride On Our Enemies is a bit stupid considering Wyclef and Lauryn Hill had always thought Pac was dope. (Vibe 95', Alaceers 94')

Morris said:
Pac was also mad at him because Dre was also taking credit for work done by Daz and Warren G. And of course, Dre left the company, another reason they went at him..
Fabrication. You seem to be viewing this from a Suge Knight prospective when in reality you don't know that this is true.

Morris said:
The shooters were Black Mafia gang members affiliated with Bad Boy. Pac was set up going to a studio to do a track for Lil Shawn while the entire Bad Boy crew was at the same studio.
You know this when the whole of NYC Police department (who have periodically been dealing with the case for five to ten years) don't have a clue? damn, when did you turn into Quincy!?
 
#26
Yea i must say Pac was a paranoid dude.. and to be blunt, probaly mentally insane like alot of great artists (not including music, Van Gough for example)

1. "I got Gladbags of enemies cut up so they remember me soaked up in hennesy so they relatives know its me"

2. "Saw the devil in my empty glass of hennesy"

3. His whole flow on All Out..

Yea, Pac definately had a couple loose screws! He even said it himself lol
 
#27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris
Pac was dissing them because he felt they disrespected his crew at a Mobb Deep concert..

Wrong. Pac stated in the Street vibe publication that the beef about Mobb Deep came about because he had heard that they were responsible for encouraging the rumour that he got raped in jail and so took them to task about it.
Pac's own words ( http://www.angelfire.com/ca/outlawz/5mobb.html )

When I was in jail, when they came out with that song, when they was like, "Thug Life, we still livin' it"... you know in that song that they have. I took it as a dis'. So from jail, I'm calling my lil' homies in Atlanta and was like, "yo, they got a show out there, get with them bustas". So my homeboys roll and was like, "what's up?", them niggas cowards. In the car looking forward like they didn't see my homboys going, "Thug Life muthafucka, what's poppin?". You know what I mean? So I hate niggas like that.
That's not very hard to find, considering Pac's interview is on the In His Own Words CD. You basically accused me of making up something that came right out of Pac's mouth. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Morris
He also accused Biggie of taking his style.

Yep. You could be 90% deaf and know that this Pac observation was a little crazy.
Style doesn't simply mean rapping style, which obviously didn't come from anything remotely like Pac. When Pac was talking about Biggie taking his style, he meant things like Biggie changing his raps to appeal to women for commercial appeal and rapping about the same things that Pac rapped about etc.

Yep....but the beef got resolved before Pac passed.
I never said it didn't. The guy wanted to know what the Nas beef was about. I told him what it was about.

Which is a contradictory move considering Pac had made such an issue about other people jumping into his beef when he maintained it was only between him and Biggie.
I don't think it's that surprising or unusual that Pac would take issue with those who he perceived as siding with Biggie.


It was a crazy move to diss Da Brat and them in view of the fact that they hadn't warranted any dissing. Particularly the diss on Ride On Our Enemies is a bit stupid considering Wyclef and Lauryn Hill had always thought Pac was dope. (Vibe 95', Alaceers 94')
Pac was mad that people were talking about "East/West beef" and telling the sides to stop without knowing what they were talking about ("When I came out of jail I told you it was just about Biggie. Then everybody had to open their mouth with an opinion" etc.) Thus he tells Da Brat to keep her mouth closed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris
Pac was also mad at him because Dre was also taking credit for work done by Daz..

Fabrication. You seem to be viewing this from a Suge Knight prospective when in reality you don't know that this is true.
You're right. I fabricated this straight out of the Making of All Eyez On Me article. http://www.hitemup.com/newsarticles/post/ThemakingofiAllEyezOnMei.html

"Got My Mind Made Up"
Featuring Daz Dillinger, Inspectah Deck, Kurupt, Method Man and Redman
Produced by Daz Dillinger

Daz Dillinger: We did that song at my house. [Tupac was] flossing like, "I got a beat with Method man, Redman. Dre made it." That's what Dr. Dre told 2pac. That's how the whole fued started between Dre and 'Pac. 'Cause I happened to be walking by the studio like, "That's my beat. I did that." Tupac [was] like, "That's your stuff?" From that situation, that's when he and Dre started fueding. Dr. Dre was taking credit and wasn't doing nothing, wasn't coming around.
So if Daz Dillinger = Suge, you're right. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Morris
The shooters were Black Mafia gang members affiliated with Bad Boy. Pac was set up going to a studio to do a track for Lil Shawn while the entire Bad Boy crew was at the same studio.

You know this when the whole of NYC Police department (who have periodically been dealing with the case for five to ten years) don't have a clue? damn, when did you turn into Quincy!?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Tut was behind it when Tut admitted to ordering the set up, telling an undercover informant that Pac "needed to be disciplined." ( http://www.answers.com/topic/tupac-shakur-feuds and reported in the New York Daily News ).

Anyway, it's a fact that Pac was going there to do a verse for Lil Shawn. It's a fact that the Bad Boy Crew was there. It's widely accepted that the Black Mafia has financial ties with Bad Boy. And it's widely accepted speculation that Tut and the Black Mafia set Pac up after he refused to sign to Bad Boy.

The police department's inaction doesn't mean they don't know who did it. Las Vegas Metro and the Compton police knew Orlando Anderson shot Pac before Pac was dead. The reason the police department investigations went nowhere in 94 and 96 was due to nobody wanting to cooperate with the investigations, instead wanting to handle things in the streets.

Besides, Tut's in jail for life already anyway, and Anderson is dead.

Oh dear...don't cha love it when people start making up shit with an ill founded basis?
Next time you want to call out someone who's been a board regular for 6 years, you better have your own facts straight first. Because personally I don't love it when newbies start spouting off and don't have a clue what they're talking about.
 

Kareem

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#28
Morris said:
The police department's inaction doesn't mean they don't know who did it. Las Vegas Metro and the Compton police knew Orlando Anderson shot Pac before Pac was dead. The reason the police department investigations went nowhere in 94 and 96 was due to nobody wanting to cooperate with the investigations, instead wanting to handle things in the streets.

Besides, Tut's in jail for life already anyway, and Anderson is dead.

:thumb: Yup Couldn't have said it better Morris, thats why people crack me up with the Suge Had Pac killed bullshit. Pac beat the crap outa some one who was a REAL gangster an unfortunately it cost him his life. Anyway more on that subject of Orlando Anderson, I could have swore I read somewhere years an years ago the LAPD was close to issuing a warrant for Anderson in the Tupac Murder case but he was killed before it could be executed.
 
#29
I read somewhere years an years ago the LAPD was close to issuing a warrant for Anderson in the Tupac Murder case but he was killed before it could be executed.
The Vegas and Compton police were the ones trying to figure out a way to charge Anderson with something. I don't know how the LAPD would have been involved.

The Compton police report explains really well why Anderson was never charged. The white cadillac was disposed of at a shop owned or operated by either his uncle Keefee D or a cousin, and nobody from Death Row was interested in cooperating with the cops.

The police knew Anderson shot Pac. The report even mentions that Anderson was bragging about it. The report also mentions that the cops were sure Anderson had previously killed someone, but they were never going to have enough evidence to charge him. Same with Pac.
 

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