2-Pac~1994 NYC SHOOTER & MOTIVE REVEALED!

[LAZARU$]

Listen, it dont matter where you from, geeks talking shit on the net is geeks talking shit on the net.

Jimmy Henchmen isnt a boss, he's just a gangster/hustler/manager. He used to go by the name Booker. King Tut wasnt the fucking shooter, King Tut was the boss, is still the boss of the Black Mafia. Not Booker, not Jack, but King Tut.

And furthermore, Tut is alive, he wasnt shot, hes locked up.

The whole thing was a set up from the go, including the rape case, because Pac didnt wanna sign to Bad Boy which Tut financed. At first they tried to make him, with the rape case Pac was almost dead broke, they offered to pay his bills, etc etc if he signed but he said no.

When he started being vocal about the "others" in the case, they had him shot. Hatian Jack was probably a snitch, he had a seperate trial for the same case and got off, he also worked for Tut, and the Black Mafia also had the NYPD (probably the officiers involved with the case and shooting) on the pay roll.

You people really have no idea how deep this went. Pac had some major nuts on him, not only did he call out the whole east coast, several of its key mobsters, but King Tut, the head of the Black Mafia.

If you want to put it into perspective, Supreme was never really that big of a gangster, Tut was the real deal. And Supreme had a fucking movie dedicated about his life, New Jack City was based on Supreme. Tut had way more power than that.

Anyway, that article above is very old.

New Jack city was based on a drug dealer from oakland named felix mitchell.the story was brought to mario van peebles and he gave it a new york flavor and savy.

 

[Morris]

pacs shit was bigger. You think the bloods control all cash from atlantic-pacific?

No, but then again neither did Pac. Feel free to explain to me what "We claim mob, M.O.B. if you be specific" actually means then if you think I'm misinterpreting it.

And think in relation to against all odds...Why would pac threaten a huge NY mobster by sayin hes a blood in los angeles

Bloods/Crips weren't relegated to separate coasts. With that said, I don't know the gang relations/affiliations of Tut, I just don't know what else Pac could have been referring to with "it's MOB, so believe me we enemies." Again, feel free to set the record straight.

And roll with and rap with (and rap with on a track called M.o.b.) crips in addition 2 bloods.

The track M.O.B. is about the money over bitches acronym, as Pac states in the hook. I don't think the MOB in Against All Odds and All Out could have possibly been money over bitches.

And I don't think rapping with Crips proves anything. Snoop was unquestionably a Crip and he was rolling with Death Row, but nobody uses that as proof that he wasn't a Crip.

 

[LAZARU$]

BMF isn't run by Tut, it's run by Justice and Meech.

I know a lot about that shit because I got family out there. A lot of my family were the niggas holding 'Pac down in Queens, in Yonkers, in Brooklyn and the Bronx. Ask any real nigga.

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he's right even thou he's banned,also this discussion should just end cus alot of people are just speculating.let pac rest he ain't worried about his shooters.

 

[Rukas]

No, but then again neither did Pac. Feel free to explain to me what "We claim mob, M.O.B. if you be specific" actually means then if you think I'm misinterpreting it.

Its simple, Pac was on some mafia type shit, and what he was saying was "we claim mob, money over bitches to be specific."

Bloods/Crips weren't relegated to separate coasts. With that said, I don't know the gang relations/affiliations of Tut, I just don't know what else Pac could have been referring to with "it's MOB, so believe me we enemies." Again, feel free to set the record straight.

Money Over Bitches. Pac is about getting his money, they fucking with his business, so they enemies.

And I don't think rapping with Crips proves anything. Snoop was unquestionably a Crip and he was rolling with Death Row, but nobody uses that as proof that he wasn't a Crip.

Because Snoop made public knowledge that he was a Crip. He put it out there, he said it and repped it, Pac didnt.

Pac had a big mouth man, if he was a Blood, he would have made it very fucking clear.

Sure he was connected, he probably said MOB to make Suge happy, but he made up the Money Over Bitches thing to add some of his meaning to it if you get what I mean.

Oh, and Pac didnt just make songs with Crips, HE ROLLED WITH CRIPS. Thug Life were Crips. Who did he take to hold him down in NY? Big Syke and his crew, Crips. Not Bloods, Crips, in the middle of this so called "MOB" war.

 

[tupactip]

Rukas tell em like it is

 

[psychol1982]

Sure he was connected, he probably said MOB to make Suge happy, but he made up the Money Over Bitches thing to add some of his meaning to it if you get what I mean.

Oh, and Pac didnt just make songs with Crips, HE ROLLED WITH CRIPS. Thug Life were Crips. Who did he take to hold him down in NY? Big Syke and his crew, Crips. Not Bloods, Crips, in the middle of this so called "MOB" war.

He rolled with Crips and with Bloods - not only with Crips - don't make people here confused man. You are talkin about Big Syke but not mentioning Kadafi and Fatal who were his crew as well and wasn't Crips - not mentionig Suge.

''he probably said MOB to make Suge happy,'' - it is something that I could agree with since there are moments in his lyrics that he IS definitely and without a single doubt talkin about M.O.B.- the gang and this is a fact. Why he said that? Maybe for the reason you provided.

And the fact is he was never talking like that about Crips. Let the people find out for themselves, and let them make conclusion man. It is not that simple as you put it. Let's be real about it... I'm not 100% sure and you can't be neither (and I'm talking only about Tupac's last months, weeks of life - not about pre-prison time)

PS: 'Changed Man' lyrics when he is talking about ''screaming M.O.B. while driving thru the streets''. Man, everybody who has a little knowledge about gangs will tell you what people on L.A. street would think, when they'd saw Tupac shouting this... It's no way that they would think differently, because that's how it is. But again - the reason why he said that on his song(s) is not very clear

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

^^^ Agreed. But unfortunately this thread has gone off-topic and turned into another M.O.B. thread.

 

[Rukas]

He rolled with Crips and with Bloods - not only with Crips - don't make people here confused man. You are talkin about Big Syke but not mentioning Kadafi and Fatal who were his crew as well and wasn't Crips - not mentionig Suge.

No doubt, I never said he rolled just with bloods, the guy above me made the blood connection very clear, so I pointed out the strong Crip connection. It was Sykes people when Pac went to SNL in NY, I dont think Fatal or Yaki were there.

''he probably said MOB to make Suge happy,'' - it is something that I could agree with since there are moments in his lyrics that he IS definitely and without a single doubt talkin about M.O.B.- the gang and this is a fact. Why he said that? Maybe for the reason you provided.

In my opinion, it can always be taken both ways.

And the fact is he was never talking like that about Crips. Let the people find out for themselves, and let them make conclusion man. It is not that simple as you put it. Let's be real about it... I'm not 100% sure and you can't be neither (and I'm talking only about Tupac's last months, weeks of life - not about pre-prison time)

Ive spoken with enough people to be 95% sure that Pac wasnt a Blood.

PS: 'Changed Man' lyrics when he is talking about ''screaming M.O.B. while driving thru the streets''. Man, everybody who has a little knowledge about gangs will tell you what people on L.A. street would think, when they'd saw Tupac shouting this... It's no way that they would think differently, because that's how it is. But again - the reason why he said that on his song(s) is not very clear

The thing is, he probably said it to make Suge happy, but at the same time it had the money over bitches meaning to him. If Pac was a Blood why cover it up? Why not claim Blood? He never said anything about Blood, Piru, nothing, red, nothing, only about MOB.

 

[Dante]

simple and plain, death row was full of bloods, crips, studio gangsters, and affiliates. pac was the latter, rolling with no particular side, but likewise knowing that suge was buttering his bread. pac wasn't a gang member, but he used his affiliation for power, which in turn was a component of his slaying.

 

[Rukas]

simple and plain, death row was full of bloods, crips, studio gangsters, and affiliates. pac was the latter, rolling with no particular side, but likewise knowing that suge was buttering his bread. pac wasn't a gang member, but he used his affiliation for power, which in turn was a component of his slaying.

Exactly, Pac knew what time it was. It was in his best interest to keep Suge happy. But that doesnt mean he was a fucking gang banger. Pac was a soldier, he said it himself.

 

[psychol1982]

^^^ Yup, I have never considered him as a ''gang banger'' and it is true - he never talked about 'red' and things like that. I'd rather agree on that (at the end of his life) he was - in my opinion - strongly affiliated with Bloods. And I think if he was ever going to be on the gang, he wouldn't be a typical member - doing drive-by's and shit - just look at Suge - he ain't doing no druive by's... He is like providing money, cover and help for the set.

I don't know if you remember thing about Warren G at Death Row. I guess on one of Doggystyle songs, Suge made Warren say ''in my Chevy - '64 red to be exact''. We all know G was a Crip. So there is a good example that Suge could have made Pac said this since he'd done this before with G.

PS: I've read about Tupac scuffles with Crips - the day before his court appereance in Allen Hughes trial and the Orlando Anderson thing. Have you ever heard about him being involved with trouble with Bloods? I'm just curious because I could find out a single one.

 

[KFatal]

Suge made Warren say ''in my Chevy - '64 red to be exact''.

64 rag.

 

[LL COOL PAC]

thanks for the info just out of curiousity is king tut still involved with bad boy or hip hop in general

 

[Shot 21]

^^^ Yup, I have never considered him as a ''gang banger'' and it is true - he never talked about 'red' and things like that. I'd rather agree on that (at the end of his life) he was - in my opinion - strongly affiliated with Bloods. And I think if he was ever going to be on the gang, he wouldn't be a typical member - doing drive-by's and shit - just look at Suge - he ain't doing no druive by's... He is like providing money, cover and help for the set.

I don't know if you remember thing about Warren G at Death Row. I guess on one of Doggystyle songs, Suge made Warren say ''in my Chevy - '64 red to be exact''. We all know G was a Crip. So there is a good example that Suge could have made Pac said this since he'd done this before with G.

PS: I've read about Tupac scuffles with Crips - the day before his court appereance in Allen Hughes trial and the Orlando Anderson thing. Have you ever heard about him being involved with trouble with Bloods? I'm just curious because I could find out a single one.

Snoop Doggy Dogg ft Nate Dogg, Kurupt + Warren G - Aint No Fun

I tend to stay out of arguements on who killed him, who he rolled with etc. Because no-one here will know for sure. In fact there will be only a select few who really know, and they will NEVER tell. For all we know They could have already got revenge on the people who killed Makaveli. Ive realised I am never going to know the truth until I die and ask Pac himself.

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[Morris]

But that doesnt mean he was a fucking gang banger. Pac was a soldier, he said it himself.

I think one could argue that Pac crossed the line from affiliating to banging by pummeling Anderson in the MGM in public after asking him if he was "from the South."

To be honest though, I've always believed that regardless of whether he was affiliated or in or not, Pac would have still rushed Anderson that night because of Tray Lane and the "my enemies your enemies" mentality.

 

[omgwtflol]

I think one could argue that Pac crossed the line from affiliating to banging by pummeling Anderson in the MGM in public after asking him if he was "from the South."

To be honest though, I've always believed that regardless of whether he was affiliated or in or not, Pac would have still rushed Anderson that night because of Tray Lane and the "my enemies your enemies" mentality.

He asked Anderson if he was "from the South" in order to verify that he was the guy he thought he was, not because of anything having to do with banging or sets.

 

[chinese 2pac]

2 long 2 read + we all know this.

 

[meltiger]

Rukas ur killin em man, ur explanations were very interesting, taught me sumthin.

Peace

Nah, he's a punk bitch,

Don't listen to nuthin he says.......

 

[Tupac-Soulja]

so that means we should listen to you?

 

[murder187em]

I wonder if the 1994 shooting was linked with 2pac's death. If it was the Black Mafia putting a hit on Pac. I'm curious if Puffy and Biggie knew all about the setup and never said a word about it to Pac and this is why he was so pissed off at Biggie. It seems obvious that Puffy crossed Pac in such a way in which he never publicly stated. Listening to Against all odds pretty much sums that up.
I guess no one will ever know what really happen besides the people involved. I don't think Suge had anything to do with 2pac's death. It would have been a very dumb move on his part if you think about it. I think it was all a big setup like Pac said the rape situation and the 1994 shooting was.I think it was some Bad Boy affiliates who got him..but that's just my opinion.